w00t! pr0n! except not.

[reenka]

Ahhhh, stellabelle so owns me. Yeah, she wrote another H/D fic and yeah, I'm so in love with it I have to pimp it in this most embarrassing fashion. Ahem.

Possibly this might have to do with the fact that it's called `I Have A Girlfriend, You Fucker!'. I think this and this alone could make me fall over from the sheer beauty of it all.

Also, after the_leaky's unfortunate descent into angst, I so needed this, man. Besides, there are references to like, British things in it. Like... like Kensington. Oh, the love. As well as easy!Draco and rather-stupid-but-eager!Harry. The world really should work like this. I mean, it may not, but DAMMIT IT SHOULD. Actually, it -does-, doesn't it?

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[bookshop.livejournal.com]

This makes me happy.

Have been drowning in Draco and canon for 7 hours straight, man.

My essay SUCKS. The only conclusion I have drawn is that Harry won't be satisfied until he shags Malfoy into the ground. The poncy fuck.

[malafede.livejournal.com]

I really likeds your essay, but I just woke up and my commentary would likely consist of "gaaahbuuuuhpretty". But your conclusion is sound. "The only conclusion I have drawn is that Harry won't be satisfied until he shags Malfoy into the ground. The poncy fuck.". You should write fic, ahaha.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Heheh I'll read it in a bit, when I'm through skimming the Veela fic mindlessly :>
Though tsk, canon!Draco & Pansy's love is pure & true ;)) Though it'd be fun to have a 'queer reading' of him, all official-like :> Theoretically, however, you don't need a conclusion so much as a thesis, or at least a slant :> You can't 'conclude' anything if you're not arguing anything more than 'this is an interesting character and I like him, you should too'.

[malafede.livejournal.com]

REENA ARE YOU AWAKE? I WANNA CHAT. >:O

[malafede.livejournal.com]

Man, a queer reading of Draco and Pansy's love is what would be really fun.

(I refuse to modify Draco as "canon". >:O Is there any other form of Draco??? >:O)

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Man, I love `The Veela Enigma'. Heee. I love shutting off my brain. I love switch!Harry/Draco, eheheheh >:D

Er, I'm awake but it's 6am, so... not very.
And sure, there are other forms-- whether or not they're IC is another matter, but they exist and are recognized by a lot of people as 'Draco' which probably means they should be studied from a literary criticism standpoint.

Draco & Pansy's love is so not queer o_0 In fact, it strikes me as completely heteronormative o_0 They're so predictable together it hurts. Oh yeah, that sort of thing NEVER HAPPENs in real life-- they're rebels is what they are. REBELS AGAINST SOCIETY AS THEY KNOW IT. *snorts*

...lately I think I only like H/D -when- I turn off my brain ^^;;;

[malafede.livejournal.com]

(Whether or not they are IC matters to me, not sure if from a literary criticism standpoint, given that if he is not IC he is not Draco.)

(I have just made up a new word that makes me as happy as upgrade Draco. It is slashnormative.)

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Harry likes being mean to Draco. -I- like being mean to Draco. It's a happy, happy thing. Ahhhhhhhh joy.

Ahem. Where was I?

IC is a very flexible, subjective thing. You can believe you know what 'IC' is with 100% certainty, but unless you're JKR and thus the author, what you have is an interpretation and an educated guess. A single reading among a plethora of readings. There can't really be a single, definitive entity called 'in character' Draco-- only a bunch of things you'd need to do a lot more explaining for than others. So as a lit-crit thing, people's perceptions are enough to make a study of almost any interpretation valid/interesting. Man... in fact, in most lit-crit movements, the extent things get taken seem actually more insane than in fandom (...and I'm not even a 'real' English major, but close enough to know).


I keep thinking about this whole 'upgrade' thing. Eh, I suppose it's true, but if so, I fully believe it's perfectly valid-- just as rehashing canon in one's fic is as valid as reinventing or extending it. To me, since I'm so far from plot-centric, it's difficult to extend canon through events-- I can only work on personality traits. I like writing about Draco because he's passionate, desperate, angry, needy, and doomed... so of course I want to take him to a new level. It's... implicit. If one -doesn't-, then I'd consider it a 'bleh' sort of fanfic, anyway. Characters should develop. Something should happen to them-- and yeah, hopefully it's a -positive- something, an upgrade, an improvement-- something that doesn't ruin their souls and mess up their minds. That'd be nice.

And yeaaah I like redeeming Draco, not from his 'evil', but from his future and the rut he's in and the choices he's not aware he's letting others make for him. It's not what most people call redemption, but it's what -I- call it. ...I just believe I can still be IC and do it :>

[malafede.livejournal.com]

The word redemption which describes a concept very dear to me in general terms has been completely ruined for me by the HP fandom. Draco needs to be redeemed from his future? By your same logic you don't know Draco's future if you aren't JKR. Plus, that's so unfair. I don't know whether Draco is going to fuck up splendidly in the future, but I am going to assume he will so I can sick some epic archetype on him that makes him look more romantic than an annoying everybrat.

The whole argument for "not there being an universal standard of ICness" makes my head hurt. Like, by your reasoning The Gentleman is IC too. Or Boyd Draco. There is a JKR's Draco Malfoy, if you ask any kid reading the books they will say everything about it.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Oh, he doesn't need to be redeemed, I just like envisioning it, because while I wouldn't claim his future is set in stone, I feel less than full of faith in the direction (whatever it is) JKR's about to take him in, or any fanfic writer I've seen, either. So... as long as it's not -my- future for him, I'm dissatisfied anyway. And I know I'm misusing the whole 'redemption' thing, but... I do believe he's trapped by himself, as we all are, and that he needs to grow up, as we all do, and that process of spiritual/personal growth-- that's redemption, to me. But even so, I'm not forcing it on anyone-- I mean, how could I? Even if I say, 'IT SHOULD HAPPEN OR FEAR MY WRATH!', I'm just joking, I don't expect anyone to be like, 'OMG REENA SAID DRACO MUST GROW UP, WE BETTER START WRITING FICS TO HER SPECIFICATIONS!!1' (...not that I'd -mind-, necessarily, but alas...)

Anyway, I don't want to go into the painfully obvious 'but no, that's not what I meant' with ICness since I've talked about it 18297439874 times and god am I sick of talking about Draco and HP canon AAAARGH. But.

I meant there's no standard outside of fact, but you can play with facts an awful lot, too, -if- you make things plausible & reasonable and tie various behaviors or occurrences to specific root causes in events from canon. If you're careful, you can -justify- a certain Draco by going from point A to B in the story-- just as long as he's got some basic consistency at the very least in Harry's perception of him and his behavior. There has to be a transition, but the base potential and motivators are largely open to lots of interpretation as far as causality.

I like epic archetypes. Eh. It's a Reena thing.

[malafede.livejournal.com]

I fully believe it's perfectly valid

Plus, the thing is I agree with character developement being valid, and the only reason I am arguing this is that 1) "They're so predictable together it hurts." and "I'm saying that some things that are 'real' or common just aren't as interesting" which are all statements that make me twitch because it seems that in order to pump up your vision you choose to put down mine 2) I don't at all conflate development and upgrades. Characters are made to upgrade in order to make them shinier, they are made to develope in order to make them more human.

Also this whole "not enough, not enough, must upgrade" is what makes me avoid mainstream romance as the plague and consequentially makes me want to shoot myself in the head about fanon Draco.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Ah well, with the 'not as interesting' thing, I meant to explain why people (...this 'mass' who doesn't see the light of D/P and the normal sort of romance without uber-men) would dislike certain aspects of the pairing. Which aren't dramatic. So it's 'not as interesting' in a very particular way, and I say this as an observation of behavior, not a judgment on humanity.

...And anyway, I wouldn't use 'upgrade' as a term, myself, it's just that you use it on me & I resist as I'm able. I always said it didn't fit my plans for ickle Malfoy, right? :> But fanfic itself seems to be about a drive for -development-, which yeah, can be about canon/'as is' characterization not being 'enough'-- but that's not a slam on humanity, just the writer of said canon.

[malafede.livejournal.com]

And I meant a queer reading of Draco and Pansy's love as a reading of their relationship which read Draco as queer, but a flamewar of the relative merits of canon and fanon works too.

No, you're right that it happens all the time in real life, too bad it never happens in fic because everymen with their little annoying uncool flaws are not romance material, oh woe.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

It's not the flaws that make Draco/Pansy not that popular to write-- certainly, Ron/Hermione is a popular pairing and it's got plenty of flaws and incompatibilities and Ron's got a horrible temper and Hermione's a control-freak-- it's not that people don't like that. Things like R/Hr also happen a lot in real life, btw.

The thing with Draco/Pansy that makes it less than interesting is that we know next to nothing about Pansy, Draco is really rather gay, and there's little narrative tension between them. There's no tension, no drama, no-- central burning issue. So basically, I'm saying that some things that are 'real' or common just aren't as interesting when put down on paper 'cause they're... not very dramatic.

Like... most people read to be entertained, which is why they read about two people in love/lust in the first place, right-- and not about two people going grocery shopping :>

[malafede.livejournal.com]

There's no tension, no drama, no-- central burning issue.

The only thing D/P lacks is the super-duper powers of superhumanity.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I dunno-- I mean, can you define a ship like that, rather than just a writer? Or you could say a canon depiction makes characters seems over-the-top and overly 'good' and glorious, but if the canon doesn't, then theoretically there's some not-so-glorious characterizations of the popular ships, too. I've certainly read dark, not-so-uber-human Harry/Ginny and hey, Ron/Hermione and Snape/Hermione and dude, I do read way more het than I'd realized :>

I was trying to talk about narrative structure and how one needs a central conflict to make a pairing have mass appeal-- some... drive. It also helps to fit into a larger cliche but that's mostly 'cause most writers/readers are inexperienced and have pre-existing expectations & desires. Both of these seem unrelated to any conscious desire to uber-glorify the characters-- I'd argue that the only cases where this would really be true would be instances of Mary Sues anyway. And most people's Pansy is as Mary Sue as they come, btw.

[malafede.livejournal.com]

Ron's got a horrible temper and Hermione's a control-freak-- it's not that people don't like that. Things like R/Hr also happen a lot in real life, btw.

Right, who thinks of Ron/Hermione in those terms? If you follow any discussion about the ship or the characters, you will find that Ron and Hermione are flawed but "just teenagers" and "their hearts are in the right place" and above all they are the good guys, and do cool amazing things with the hero. Draco and Pansy aren't cool. They don't do any cool amazing thing. They are lame, and pathetic, and represent, whether their author did it purposely or not, a jungian shadow to the main character and even the reader. They are the lame half of the everyman. Nobody cares about humanity because humanity, when not romanticised to some degree, is deeply uncool.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Oh, but plenty of people think Draco & Pansy are cool separately-- just, not so much together. There are lots of fics with Draco-- clearly the fandom thinks that whatever they believe is 'Draco' is cool enough to write fics about. As for Pansy, there's lots of her also, just not necessarily with Draco. I do believe it's the ship in particular that isn't dramatic, not the characters themselves. I think most people would say that Draco by himself is one of the most (overly) dramatic characters in HP :> Anyway, their 'common-man' aspects wouldn't be enough to stop most people (since most people would just overlook that and infuse coolness artificially) if that's all it was.

However, you're right-- they're not cool. That's what I meant-- Ron & Hermione aren't 'cool' but they're -made- cool because that's how the fandom wants to see them (ie, bias, yeay!) and because their dynamic together plugs into a common pre-existing cliche, which D/P doesn't.

[stellabelle.livejournal.com]

Haha, is it sad that I freely admit that I somehow came up with the idea for that story while...um...tipsy after Thanksgiving dinner? LOL. I AM NOT ASHAMED. Obviously.

And yes, Kensington, but also, clearly, Colchester. Because my Essex love cannot be denied. My friend's mum is from Essex & she was telling me all about the stereotype about how Essex girls are easy & I was like, 'What about Essex boys?' and she lovingly said, 'Them too. THEY ARE ALL CHEEKY BUGGERS.' And so my love for the place began. Hehe <333

I have nothing constructive to say (as usual) except, apparently, this weekend I began a long fic. AND it is all your fault (well, okay, it's my fault for having marathon H/D convos with you, haha <3). Because I had been working on it for a while but now I've really started getting into it. Today we had our first fight. I said, 'Write yourself, you bastard thing!' And it said, 'No, and that skirt makes you look like a slag.' And I said, 'That was the point. And also I HATE YOU.' I expected it to have moved out by the time I returned home this evening but alas IT IS STILL HERE. MOCKING ME.

...Um. Sorry. I'm done ranting now. :)

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

You may not be ashamed, and I am most certainly not surprised :> I come up with lots of ideas while somewhat out of it. The brain likes to be... uh... loosened up. Yeah, that's it ^^;; Also, one's inhibitions about writing Really Silly Ideas go away after one's either been away 25 hours or well enough intoxicated. I imagine either works :> Man, I still wish I'd written the everyone-wants-into-Draco's-pants orgy fic (but not really) 'cause it was going to be hilarious except it only worked in my head when I was falling over with exhaustion :>

Eheee! I'm so jealous 'cause you know actual Brits to pump for information! 'Cause even though I read all these British fics & books & things I -still- feel like I don't know enough to use them. Then again, I think most of my writing is very abstract in terms of placing it anywhere, but I really really REALLY love it when people -do- place/contextualize their fanfic especially 'cause I LURVE BRITAIN. LURVE. (aahhhh, how much do I love the slang??? AAAH, CHEEKY! & BUGGERS! & FABULOUS!!)

...See, when your fics start talking back to you, you know you're on the right track >:D

[stellabelle.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha OMFG you should totally write the 'everyone wants into Draco's pants' fic. Okay, well maybe not, but it sounds so amusing. Heh. I started writing this one a while ago where Harry kept hitting on Draco by telling him 'you look so dishy in those trousers' & clearly Draco was all 'I know, you fuckwit!' &, well, yeah. One of those it's-only-funny-to-me things. And yeah, I know, I generally come up with my wackiest ideas while not completely myself, haha. Man. That is how my porn epic idea began (& will never go anywhere, FORTUNATELY.) Or, like, when Harry & Draco get in my head and just start screeching at each other. Oh, boys, how you drive me INSANE. <333333

Haha, it's like, I don't actually pump them for info or anything. I guess I've just sort of picked up on slang & all that from hanging around British people for years. I don't know how I know them all, hehe, but it's like, I was out a couple of weeks ago & it was a few hours before I realized I was the only American there. Sad, yet not, lol. It's too much fun mocking each other though, cause we speak the same language...but not really.

Do you use AIM? (Random, but have been meaning to ask.)

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Eheheh I still have the notes for that fic somewhere ;)) Ahahahahah. It involved owled knickers and train ambushes and rather coy!Pansy if I remember correctly... which I may not. And of course put-upon!Harry >:D Can't do without him :>

Heeee 'dishy' :D I love that word :D Love :D :D
Ahhhh porn epic!! That sounds great!! Since Sara (um, addictedkitten stopped hers in the middle, you should... well, you should take up the flag >:D (...They screech in my head, too! At least I'm not alone!!)

I... the only British people I know live in Britain/Ireland >:D When I met Lasair (lasultrix-- erm, she wrote `Veela Magic', which you should read... heheeh it's H/D & Cho/Fleur(!!)... um) I was totally tripping from her accent. Man. Then again, I have my own sort of mumbly accent :>

Well, I use AIM but not often-- & my contact info's in my userinfo~:)) I also have another one, I think, which I use kind of randomly :> By which I mean 'when someone asks me to' :>

[stellabelle.livejournal.com]

*snort* Haha, omg, I really want you to finish that fic now. TRAIN AMBUSHES? OWLED KNICKERS?! You can't go wrong with that stuff, you realize. ;)

Um, you don't want me to continue my porn epic, because...well, it would not have a plot, um, & stuff. I started writing it late one night, apparently, cause when I woke up the next morning, I found my drunk notes on my desk. It said, like, 'Like the Iliad, but with boys shagging' or something like that, in the margins. And it said 'PORN EPIC' in really big letters on the top. I totally saved it, haha. I am so shameless. And also cause I started writing an H/D novel which is going to be the death of me. The one I had a fight with yesterday, lol.

I guess I've sort of got used to British accents, but, like...my roommate's Irish & that's my favorite (who knows why)! When I first met her, we were complete dorks & just sat around going 'Heee! That's so cute! Say that again!' which got old really fast, obviously. But it's just really funny when we notice how we've picked up on each other's accents, cause...well, we're tools. But yeah. Hehe. :)

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I think those sorts of fics need to be written 'in the moment' of like, inspiration, y'know? Like, when they seem impossibly funny and you just sit there and giggle like an idiot at the next stupid thing the characters do (...at one point, all the Gryffindor girls were chasing Draco...) It'd be so fun to write but I'd need to-- well, get into the spirit :> And I keep having new ideas when I'm in the spirit :> Maybe one day, though~:))

Sara's didn't have plot either, really. Heheh. Did you read it? You'd love it, methinks. 'Iliad with boysex' sounds great! >:D Since when do I care about plot, anyway? :> :> Well, I do a little, but it's no great romance or anything :>

Hehehe I don't think I'd -know- if I've gotten used to any accents 'cause then I wouldn't notice them. Like, apparently there's such a thing as a "Long Island accent" or an "Upstate NY accent", but-- er-- I wouldn't know :>
Also, what's your screenname? I might ping you if you're there :>

[stellabelle.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, totally, I know what you mean. Which is why most of the stuff I write is silly...um...cause I'm always in a silly mood & never serious. SAD TIMES. Heh. :) But, y'know, I'm just saying, next time you find yourself so inspired...I would totally read it. :)
I didn't read this porn of which you speak, actually, but I guess I should do. Heee.

It's like, I don't usually notice my friends' accents (American or otherwise) till someone else points it out to me. And also I don't think I have an accent, usually, till I meet someone who talks differently than me & then I totally notice it. I think that's what most people are like, though. :)
I'm BlueEyedAngel221 (that's an L in front of the 2's) - and DO NOT MOCK. I've had that screenname since high school & I refuse to change it, lol. ;)