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Here we go, last part! AT LAST!!

I think I'm only doing this out of sheer bull-headed stubbornness now, but oh wellz. Some of it is pretty embarrassing doting and wibbling and squeeing-- okay, all of it. So like, there's no reason to read it for anyone but me. Disclaimer-disclaimer. :P Yes, I am in fact a dork & a basketcase. *facepalm* BUT I STARTED SO NOW I HAVE TO FINISH. Or, at least, I have, because I'm OCD like that ><;

Heehee maaaan is Snape/Lily similar to [fanony!] H/D or WHAT? Ah well, parallels again, eh?

[Whether or not it's hitting quite the same buttons as angsty!H/D had at one point, I'm feeling so supremely nostalgic about Marauder-era Snape/Lily right now, it's not even funny-- the more I think about and find stuff online like this oddly canon-based post-OoTP S/L manifesto and this really moving & pretty IC fanficcy S/L fanmix and the MWPP mix (with both J/L & S/L drabble bits), I'm just-- I'm a mess. ;___; And then I found another Snape + Lily mix, more directly canon-based. ;___; And there's a really REALLY angsty one with really awesome song-titles :(( THIS MUCH ANGST CAN'T BE GOOD FOR YOUR HEALTH. :O

Out on the road today, I saw a black flag sticker on a cadillac
A little voice inside my head said, "don’t look back. you can never look back."
I thought I knew what love was
What did I know?
Those days are gone forever
I should just let them go but-

I can see you-
Your brown skin shinin’ in the sun
You got that top pulled down and that radio on, baby
And I can tell you my love for you will still be strong
After the boys of summer have gone


WAHHHHHHHHHH. I LOVE THEM ALL SO MUCH IT'S RIDICULOUS. And as much as I love the Dumbledore backstory, the renewed love for the Marauders + Lily & Snape is a lot more intense and emotionally raw at this point. Aah. Especially that Snape/Lily fanmix really did it for me. And I knew-- I knew!!-- lots of people in fandom would sneer at Snape/Lily even or especially Snape fans, but... to me it's so perfect, like Gellert being Dumbly's friend. I finally have an angle on Snape, too, so... yeah, I can probably write him now, at long last. ARE YOU ALL AFRAID?? HAHAHAHAHAHA.

For some reason I'm remembering this sad 70s British gay movie that I'd projected Remus/Sirius onto at the time-- who knows why, it had a messed up friendship-- and I just, I can see them so vividly in London listening to the Beatles and Remus wearing those tweed jackets and Sirius being a jackass as they all get drunk but Wormtail isn't there and Lily meeting Snape secretly but he's an asshole to her to drive her away, and. All that love and regret and loyalty and betrayal, aaahhhhh. :(( I can't even remotely articulate it, but I just feel like the last piece fell into place, and I finally get Snape and. :(( I don't see why everyone keeps repeating this doesn't make him a 'good person' or he's 'still a creepy pathetic little man' or whatever. Love doesn't make you 'good' or selfless; it just makes you human. Love is a way in, and for the one who feels it there may be no way out, but it doesn't make the other person stay.

Somehow it's a lot more intense with music, and omg The Beatles and Smashing Pumpkins' 1979 and... oh man. It breaks my heart into tiny little pieces and I just love it. It's not the same without the Marauders, of course, but adding Snape/Lily into -that- angst pile and setting it in Britain in the 70s just sends me over the edge, srsly. A big part of me wants to write a S/R, J/L, S/L with J/S undertones angst wartime and some Marauder stuff epic like OMFG. A LOT. I feel like it would really challenge me as a writer, since I can't go over the top or sex it up like crazy, so it'd have to be... y'know, naturalist/realistic. But OMG AAAH. They're all dead now and somehow that just gives me a kick into writing them. It'd have to have several povs-- Lily, Remus and Snape. AAAAAH. NO I MUST NOT THINK THESE CRAZY THINGS AAAAH. That is the kind of stuff I wish I could write, for real; I'm just thinking of those awesome wartime!S/R epics like Prufrock's Levity series and how I almost feel like I can write my response to that except with a much more gennish MWPP pov and, y'know, AHAHAHAH CANON S/L BITS. YESSsss. Ah, I can't really write it, I can just feel it, but it's so multifaceted and complicated it sort of makes my eyes swirl. *wibble*

...Okay, now I've left the realm of reacting even vaguely to canon and am clearly just kind of getting lost in fanon that doesn't actually exist. If there's one thing I love it's hopeless relationships between messed up deeply flawed people that sort of edge between friendship and love and obsession, and oh man. I'll stop now.]

Omg, wee!Sirius & wee!James <3333333333 Aaaah!

"Blimey," said James, "and I thought you seemed all right."
Sirius grinned. ♥

Aaah, that is why Voldy didn't want to kill Lily!! Finally it makes sense; it's not like he's got a problem killing Mudbloods, so I always thought it was odd. And yeay, it's amazing how fanficcy this all seems, but that just means we all asw it in the books-- or a lot of people did, anyway.

"Would you like me to do it now," asked Snape, his voice heavy with irony. "Or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?"
<33333 Oh Snape ♥

Also: it is meaningful, then, that at the moment of Snape's death, Harry's green eyes (like his mother's) are the last thing Snape sees.

["Look at me... look at my eyes... look at my sexy, smoldering Slytherin eyes, Harry......"]

"In looks, perhaps, but his deepest nature is much more like his mother's."
<3333 *cries*

Oh god. Harry. And how both Lily & Harry did like the Half-blood Prince in their own ways, once upon a time. His eyes, just like his mother's-- his mother, whose love was so pure it saved him from the Death curse. ♥

[This actually seems really soppy in retrospect. *sigh* I've seen people say that James got shafted by that comparison, which I think is pretty hilarious. Anyway, that's why Dumbledore said 'deepest nature', 'cause obviously he's a lot like James, but has qualities James didn't. Oh fandom, haha.]

Ah, it makes sense-- it's painful for both Harry & Voldy to share each other's mind, though for different reasons.

Also: oh Severus. I'm sure people will complain about this chapter as simplistic, much like they did re: HBP!Tom (which I'd enjoyed), but just like every other part of the Potterverse, it has its essential nature & place and purpose, which had been set and hinted at from the start. People might wish Snape was this or that instead-- more complicated, more sophisticated, less driven by pure emotions like love and loyalty & resentment, but in context, this is (I think) what makes most sense to me.

I always liked Snape/Lily & Snape's respect and admiration for Dumbledore, who appreciates him-- and I always saw the raw emotional core in him. It always had to be strong emotion, in the end, that turned him, because Snape has his deepest roots in intense, long-inkubating feelings [though, I mean, he's obviously 'a rationalist' as that manifesto called him... that's why I said deepest roots]. He's not the purely rational supercool guy fandom makes him-- he merely controls it, just as Harry learned to, just like Dumbledore does, just like Remus and just like [...ugh] Voldemort, too.

Damn. Harry really is a Horcrux.


I thought it was too cheesy, but mostly I thought there's no way she'd kill Harry-- that was always obvious to me. If I hadn't been spoiled for all the deaths besides Crabbe, Lupin, Dobby & Hedwig, I'd be worried right now. But I still can't see Harry really kicking it; I just hadn't considered that Harry would have to find a way around that, even if-- at worst-- he -is- a Horcrux.

It does explain their connection, obviously, yeah.

It's so cute how outraged Snape is at Dumbledore's suggestion that he'd grown to care for Harry. Aww. Hehe.

[Here's my favorite "Always!" fanart so far, btw.]

Aaand-- yeah, Dumbledore justifies everyone's mistrust big time. :/ Whoah. But, I mean, I can see where he saw no other way out, and I -still- think he did love Harry. Which perhaps makes it worse. Hmm. Well. If Harry can forgive him, then I can as well. It's pretty creepy though, yeah. Haha, even Snape is outraged. ♥

So "neither can live while the other survives" means just what I initially guessed-- they both must die. Except. Well. I STILL don't see how she'll kill off Harry. So. This is where the Hallows come in!! :D Easy shmeasy. Harry Potter cheats death, try #2 :D

Yeah, I -am- pretty pissed at Dumbledore & his blasted "greater good". He never did get over that. *sigh* Poor Harry. ♥ Well, just like Dumbledore wanted, at least he's ready to hear it now. -.-

It's painful, because I know Dumbledore is a good person ut he doesn't contradict Snape when he says, "You have used me," only asking what he meant. Dumbledore knows the price of the things he does. "Secrets and lies." Which is where Harry must transcend Dumbledore & tell someone other than Ron & Hermione maybe??

[Heh. I love it when I'm right. Go go Neville!!]

Poor Snape. He never got anything he wanted; at least Sirius had a shitty life, but people loved him, and same with Remus, who I think overcame a number of his inner demons when Harry bludgeoned him into accepting himself as the baby's father. Remus broke the cycle, but Snape just died for his so-called 'good deed' for the other side. At least Harry will now forgive him (probably), but I don't know how much Snape would've actually wanted that; he wanted respect and trust from his equals or betters, not pity or forgiveness, except-- significantly!-- from Lily. Lily, who judged him rahter than forgiving him [not that I don't get why she felt the way she did], and whom he tried to please, on some level, awkwardly as a stone seeps water, for the rest of his life.

Ah, so that's why Snape was so insistent on finding Harry-- following Dumbledore's orders to the bitter, bloody end. Oh Snape. ♥ Though honestly, he didn't do as well as he could've, protecting the children of Hogwarts as Headmaster.

[But I guess that ties in him only doing all this to follow Dumbledore's direct orders and to protect Lily's child, whereas in general he's still kind of morally questionable... or is he?]

"Lately, only those whom I could not save," said Snape.
[When Dumbledore kinda brought up that point himself.]

--and that, perhaps that right there is why it's not any more tragic for Snape to die than for Remus. Because-- wow. Because always and already, Severus.

Snape had been redeemed, and fully worthy of Lily's trust. He did it. I wonder if he knew. ♥

The silver doe! I was right! :D Score 10 for team Luna(cy) :D Uh, I was right that it was supposed to represent Lily, but seeing as it's Snape's Patronus (HEH), I, uh, totally didn't see that one coming, so. Um. yeah. Minus 5 for team Lunacy :(

Which makes the sword the only way Snape helped Harry the whole book (so far). Booo. :P heehee

Okay, it's kinda creepy Dumbledore's still orchestrating things even as a portrait. I'm glad Harry didn't see him as he came in. That said, I'm feeling quite smug for believing in JKR re: the apparent flip-flop from raging-at-Dumbledore!Harry to Dumbledore's-Man-through-and-through!Harry in HBP. It's also funny how he criticized Scrimgeour's methods when Dumbledore's own methods do bear question. *sigh* Poor Harry.

Ah, so it wasn't just the sword. Kinda creepy how Snape went along with it all. Poor Snapey. ♥

Haha not that he'd want my sympathy, so-- amazing, uber-competent Snapey. :>

Snape's sorta slavish hopeless obsession with Lily-- like his endless resentments-- is so pure & strong, it's really adorable. That a grown man would sneak a page of an old, old letter! ♥ And of course it was Snape in Grimmauld-- in retrospect, who else could it have been?

And he tells Nigellus not to use 'Mudblood'. Man. It's like he grew more smitten with every passing year, even with her dead. o_0 Or, you know, he could've had a total change of heart, like Dumbledore. I think it was probably a mixture of both. :>

Seeing Dumbledore spelling all those things out to poor Snapey is just embarrassing, like seeing an old guy naked, but... worse. ^^;;

Oh baby. ♥ Lying there contemplating his inevitable death. Baby. :(( Noooo, FIGHT IT, HARRY! There's always a way!!

For the first time, I'm really glad of spoilers; surely, SURELY they'd tell me if Harry died if they mentioned Tonks and Moody and Fred and Voldy. But even so, right now I'm miserable and very anxious, unable to trust in happy endings or a million babies with Ginny, which I'd take ANY DAY over Harry actually being a pig at slaughter.

I think telling Neville will be central-- a crucial deviation from Dumbledore's secrets and his plan, an extra trust. And he does it instinctively, in a way that Dumbledore would never do & didn't quite understand about Harry-- no matter how brave and loyal, he'd never been able to just follow directions straightforwardly, like Snape. It has to make sense to him on a deeper level. Harry, in the end, is his own man, and he trusts his friends and he has his mother's eyes and her spirit-- as much as and much more than Voldemort's, and in the end that has to save him. It has to.

"He must be like Dumbledore, keep a cool head"

Oh Harry. BABY. You're so much better-- you're nothing like either Voldemort or Dumbledore. You're free of them if you choose to be. FREE, Harry. ♥ *cries* this is excruciating.

[he wants] ..."to be dragged back, to be sent back home...."
..."He and Voldemort and Snape, the abandoned boys"

:(( Haaaarryy... *clings*
*grabs her Harry plushie* :(

I will not forgive you if you kill him, JKR. I will not forgive you.

..."and their presence was his courage" :((
Perhaps he won't die if he gives up willingly, trusting in a higher purpose? Not for himself, but for others?

When Harry thinks inexplicably of Ginny and her "blazing look" & of kissing her, that is like, the only time this whole book I really -felt- the H/G. -.- Hard to be afraid now, the next chapter's on the opposite page facing me. :> But man, yeah, I was scared.

I always said-- or at least thought-- that it was ridiculous that all those fanfics had Harry maim his soul & go against his nature (even Snape's nature!) and outright Avada Kedavra'ing Voldemort. I thought that was ridiculous in the context of JKR's books & world.

And I'd just like to take this moment to say I was right! And also, I told you so. :P
--, is the small wailing child Riddle? o_0

Ah! The blood! The "gleam of triumph" from book 4. :>

Harry reassuring Dumbledore he's not like Voldemort-- "Hallows, not Horcruxes"-- is so painful, like the cave in HBP. *sigh* "a small boy caught in wrongdoing" is so-- I dunno-- Gryffindor of Albus, though. :> Oh, I do love him.

I love the literalness of the connection between Dumbledore & Voldemort, though, after all of JKR's critics going on about it as if they were so easily & totally undermining the underpinnings of the books rather than merely, y'know, -noticing- them. :P

Also, Albus "being infuriating" is rather cute & an interesting evolution of Harry's relationship to him. Much more healthy than Snape's neediness and resentment & -obedience-.

Dumbledore & his 'power' thing (like Harry & his 'saving people' thing) and the weakness, etc, reminds me of Gandalf, hehe.

Heeheehee 'Harry Potter: MASTER OF DEATH!!' D:

Well, I'd take an "iron-clad punch" over death any day. :>

Heehee Narcissa!! <3<3<3 She cracked (...sorta) before Draco did. Awesome.

Oh my GAHD, I'm writing a NOVEL. -.-;;

Aaaanyway-- hee! Neville, the little boy that could ♥ Sort of like a fierce, yippy dog. ♥

Ahaha, I can only imagine how people felt seeing dead!Harry jump up & pull on the Cloak :)) First things first, you know. :>

Aww, Neville a True Gryffindor, pullng the sword; and btw, of course Ron (as the Knight) would use it rather than Harry-- but, uh, how did it get there? o_0

Anyway, gooooo Neville the Snake Killer! Everyone gets their turn! :D

Aww, good ol' Horace came through. ♥ In his pajamas, no less. Because every self-respecting Slytherin needs a good pair of pajamas. ♥


Man. The house-elves' faces "alive with malice" is... er, super-creepy >__>

...Mrs Weasley? Also scary. :>

Harry sure knows how to make an entrance. Hee. That's my boy! ♥ Though I wish he'd stop 'roaring' and 'bellowing'; what kinda lungs is he supposed to have, anyway? -.- [Though it's cute, heheh.]

I'm sorry, I"m sorry, it's a very intense scene & I'm all at the edge of my seat (not really, I mean, who cares, Harry's okay)-- but when it says,

"Voldemort's hand was trembling on the Elder Wand, and Harry gripped Draco's very tightly."

-- I mean... I couldn't help it, could I? WHO COULD RESIST A JOKE THAT BAD, I ASK YOU?? *facepalm* Oh, JKR. Aaalmost had it. :))


Didn't see -that- one coming. Poor Ron. :))

Ooopsie, not quite. BUT IT WOULD'VE BEEN SO. FUCKING. COOL. D: AU, people!!

I do so love the twistiness, btw, and how it all makes sense. And how Harry's a badass. Aaand how clever & instinctive Harry is <3. EAT IT, HARRY'S-DENSE PEOPLE!! :O

Hahaha, wasn't I spoiled for Hagrid's death?? But Hagrid's not dead. See? It was a Weasley. Like I told Amalin, Hagrid needs to be there to welcome the first years. :>

Of course-- of course, after all the celebration & the noise, Harry needs Luna. <3

And Harry's wand!! Alive again! I am very happy. <3 It's so... right. *happy sigh*

And with the simplest of spells, too. [One of the first he learned! Awww.] <3

Wah. And he goes back to sleep in Gryffindor Tower! Aww. <3<3<3 And thinking of Kreacher's sandwiches!! LOVE.


...And now, for the much dreaded Epilogue. Just how many babies -are- there that you hate so much, fandom? :P

...All right, uh, I really wish he didn't name them after his dead parents, but. Erm. Lotsa people do? Uh? Only three. Eh. Sissies. :>

And I think it's not so bad, ending as it began <3 Cycles, and first years & Hogwarts again, always, always Hogwarts. <3 I wonder if Hagrid is still there?

"If you're not in Gryffindor, we'll disinherit you"--
hee <3<3 aww, I'm a sap.

And everyone was moaning about it! Weenies!!! D:

This is traditional enough, ever since Peter Pan! :P


Awesome. Well, this fits JKR's overall theme of repetition across generations and 'as things change, so they stay the same', y'all realize that, right? :> Haha poor gay Draco & his poor unfortunately-named son.

"My name's Scorpius. Scorpius Malfoy. Think my name's funny, do you?" :>
& will he equally unfortunately fall in love with Rose, ya think? :>

...Too bad Draco never did get his redemption. Just like JKR said, he wouldn't work with Harry. But hey, that's what AU fanfic's for. ♥

All this time I was afraid she'd just told what happened straight out, in a detailed & dry fashion. o_0 That would've been bad. This, fandom, is what's called cute & in-character, too. *facepalm*

No 100089734 babiez, no dry narration, no detailing every moment & er, detail-- this is just & it fits [so I'm counting my blessings]. And thus goes my (I'm sure) not too welcome opinion. :D

And: Albus Severus ♥

Oh Harry Potter.

I love you.

Date: 2007-07-28 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Love is a way in, and for the one who feels it there may be no way out, but it doesn't make the other person stay.

:(( Your MWPP+S/L up there got a little crazy, haha. Oh Reena. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU LIKE THE EPILOGUE. And it does sound like Harry and Draco are holding hands, I didn't notice that.

About Hagrid: his two important roles were taking Harry on the motorbike and carrying his supposedly dead body from the forest, did you see? He's the boatman, baby.

God I have nothing coherent to say. More later.

Date: 2007-07-28 02:00 pm (UTC)
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kafsakjhfakjshf HANDS WASN'T WHAT I WAS GOING FOR jkfslajflakjsf OH AMALIN fljaskflkjasfaskhsjgkh <3333333333333333333333333333

I know I got a little crazy but I WAS LISTENING TO EMO FANMIXES OKAY. =; =;

....he kind of is the boatman o_0
And it's not that I like it and more that I don't really... hate it? I think. It could've been worse! Always looking at the Bright Side of Life!! D:

Date: 2007-07-28 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I liked the detail of Fabian Prewett's watch.

And . . . I like Hermione saying she had absolute faith in Ron.

And I like the Draco nod! And fuck everybody else, I like his receding hairline, because it reminds me of NA and the receding hairline jokes. La la la.

But he IS holding Draco's wand already! The way the sentence reads, it kind of sounds like Draco's hand! Like Draco is right there with him giving him strength, hahaha.

Date: 2007-07-28 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Awww, you tried :D <3. Draco's nod made me think Draco's grown up. It's like that bit in Peter Pan where he comes in and Wendy's... in shadow, right, and she's BIG. She's big and SHE HAS A DAUGHTER D: Harry with his kids wasn't acting as much like a 'grown-up'-- and Ron DEFINITELY wasn't-- but yeah. The receding hairline cracked me up, but I thought that Draco has definitely gotten 'dignified' and, y'know... well, old. D:

Holding... Draco's... wand.... *sporfle*

*is 12*

Date: 2007-07-29 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

And like! In the movie! Dumbledore's like, "It's not the ways you are alike, Harry, it's the ways you are different." SEE! AND! Harry is like, "You're the weak one, and you'll never know love, or friendship, and I feel sorry for you." It's like the abandoned boys, right there! SLKDFJS.

Shit, I love OotP so much.

God :( You said that and it was all like, yeah, it's over with them, they'll never play Quidditch against each other, or fight in Potions or make faces at each other across the Great Hall, they won't even see each other every day, or even every year, they've gotten over each other and they've moved on with their lives, even Draco has, he doesn't even care anymore :( And the worst part is, he's going to live like a hundred more years! Right? Or at least like, eighty or something, Dumbledore was probably extra old, but still, they live longer and lskdfjs what is he going to do with his life besides raise Scorpius and sit in the Manor with his boring wife drinking scotch and thinking about The Good Old Hogwarts Days dflksdjfds.

Date: 2007-07-29 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

I'm going to go see OoTP again right now to pump me up 'cause I wanna finish my damned Harry+Sirius fic for his birthday IF IT KILLS ME. But yeah. I love OoTP <3<3<3 even though it doesn't have angry!Draco at the end, oh Harry <333. That's why I said the epilogue wasn't that shocking, 'cause a lot of times children's books end up with the kids becoming parents/grown-ups, and to kids grown-ups = parents. The people complaining how 'life isn't babiez'-- we're in our 20s, right? We're not usually in the 'normal' middle-class society (yet) right? But it's like.... that's why I both am not surprised by and yet can ignore the epilogue. Because I always knew it'd be like that-- that H/D will die when their boyhood does-- which is why grown-up!Auror!H/D misses sooooo very much of the point, y'know?

But! *BOUNCE* OoTP!! :D :D :D

Date: 2007-07-29 02:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]


Haha, right now? Have you read the hugfic yet? And I dunno, I mean, if Harry and Malfoy kept on knowing each other, in close proximity, they couldn't really lose interest, could they? It's just that their lives take them in different directions, and to go anywhere they have to move on, you know - I don't know. :(((((((

Date: 2007-07-29 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I figure he beat someone other than Harry, or they'd have kicked him off the team? Or do we know that Gryffindor won the Cup every single year? Um? Maybe there are trophies other than the Cup. Um. :( It seemed more likely than him looking at photos-- too soppy/nostalgic :-?


It's true, they'd never stop if they were up in each other's faces. Even in DH, they managed to get a few juvenile digs in about Malfoy's mother. Aww. :D

Date: 2007-07-29 02:04 am (UTC)
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Date: 2007-07-29 02:17 am (UTC)
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Harry: *holds out hand solemnly* Good-bye, Malfoy.
Draco: are you on drugs? *jumps back a bit*
Harry: It's okay, I get you're just... like that now.
Draco: um? *seems to suddenly recall* Well, I'll overlook it if you give me my wand back.
Harry: *I'll* over look it if you stop being a douche & thank me.
Draco: and exactly what kind of thanks are you expecting? *skeptical*
Harry: *flushes* THE NORMAL KIND!!

and on and on :D

Date: 2007-07-29 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'm kind of writing a goodbye fic god it's embarrassing.

Date: 2007-07-29 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

Also: yeay! <3
Also also woe :( I don't actually want them to say goodbye :((((((( THIS IS WHAT FANFIC IS FOR, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO :(((

Date: 2007-07-29 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Hahaha I thought you were going to see OotP? Did you already go and come back?!

I know but. Eventually they have to say goodbye, if you're writing in canon-verse, or else you're writing post-epilogue and that feels weird to me. HARRY WILL GET WRINKLES AND START GOING GRAY. IT'S WEIRD, REENA :(((((

If someone wrote a "Everybody goes back to Hogwarts for Year 7 all over again" fic I might read it, though.

Date: 2007-07-29 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

...ok going now.

Date: 2007-07-29 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah, but this is where I suck, because while I hate the epilogue way more than you do, in my mind I'm still like, "Sigh, it's canon and I've got to work with it, I think just ignoring it is cheating!" Which is why this might be one of the last fics I write, at least main-character-centric ones. But who can say, really!

Date: 2007-07-29 08:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
See, see, I don't think AUs are cheating if you can successfully excise the later canon from your head-- like, I'd love to do more post-OoTP AUs but it's hard to get to that mental space I was in post-OoTP, even though HBP didn't do much for me creatively, and yet something just got... stuck in my head. And I don't think it's got to be the same as ignoring-- it's all about using all the canon you can that applies to a given set-up/scenario, y'know? There's a difference between the invisible so-called elephant in the room and just taking a different path-- and with epilogue, it's just so far-removed and so not really connected to canon characterization-wise or events-wise, that it's not like we'd be cutting off an arc in the middle.

That's what makes it totally plausible for me. The arc is DONE. The epilogue is floating somewhere in space-- I mean, it has v. little to no direct relevance to the characters as we last left them (which is most people's problem, right?) but this is why it's so easy to ignore it; it's no wonder it has little relevance, since how much relevance does your life have to its incarnation 19 years ago, y'know? heh.

It's like, you're not ignoring any aspect of characterization by avoiding the epilogue because it brought no new characterizations! The only thing it did was give a disconnected vision of their kids. It's not even their story, almost. I don't think it's cheating, for instance, to write about Hermione and not mention her SPEW crusade if you're just writing a Ron/Hermione first-kiss fic (pre-DH, anyway), and this is even further removed. You don't have to work with ALL of canon ALL the time :> That's the glory of writing about moments and messing about with non-gen fanfic especially! Like... writing H/Hr even knowing JKR didn't intend it. It's the same. :>

Date: 2007-07-29 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I don't think AUs are cheating, or H/Hr, etc., I think everything-but-the-epilogue feels like cheating to me. In my head, if you're writing five years after Voldemort dies, he's going to get with Ginny soon. I mean, I'll read those fics, of course! I just feel weird writing them, like I'm choosing everything but the part I don't want to count.

Anyway, it makes things feel DOOMED TO H/G EVENTUALLY, hahaha. GOD. WHY.

Date: 2007-07-30 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Speaking of!! I'll link this directly to you 'cause I figure no one else would care, but:
- Epilogue!Harry ( :(( <3. HOW CAN YOU RESIST IT :(
- Professor Longbottom, awww ( *__*

Man, and then I found a zillion others and had to make a whole post, but. I can't feel that bad about poor ickle AS with that pic. But then I'm a soppy wanker. :S

And inevitably-- quite inevitably-- there's already future!AS/S ( *facepalm*

Date: 2007-07-28 03:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arboretum

Ah! The blood! The "gleam of triumph" from book 4.


Thank you for pointing it out.

*g* I also felt the epilogue was... not, you know, the worst thing ever, although I really wouldn't mind if people wrote fic completely ignoring it, either.........

ps, for some reason, I associate a lot of Beatles songs with HP.... huh. XD

Date: 2007-07-28 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I believe it actually said something to the effect of 'oh so that's what it was' on Harry's part? No? But yeah, I was reading. very. slowly. :> And this was one of those things that always comes up in meta! And a big plot-point hinged on it-- like where Dumbly explains this is why Harry may not have died, ya know, because of the GoF transfusion :D Back in GoF, of course I didn't notice that either (though it seemed a bit odd... sorta like Lily 'blinking' when Snape called her a Mudblood was a bit odd.)

Any fic I write probably will ignore it 'cause I don't write a lot of OBHWF :>

The Beatles + HP totally makes sense to me! But especially 'Yesterday' + MWPP <3333

Date: 2007-07-29 12:00 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] arboretum
Yes to Yesterday + MWPP!

and I'm sure I missed it because I was reading as fast as I possibly could. XD

Date: 2007-07-29 03:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
P.S. Speaking of the Maurauders, I cannot even tell you how excited I am for nineteen seventy-nine and I'm not even that big of a MWPP-era fan.

Date: 2007-07-29 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Is it different from all the other MWPP-era RPGs or what? :>

Date: 2007-07-29 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Well I guess it'll have unrequited!S/L then :D :D

Date: 2007-07-29 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Also: I think I have some sort of insecurity that specifically functions to make me feel RPG journals have a much better grasp on the characters' voices than I do, but this only happens with MWPP journals, I DUNNO WHY :( :( There's like, a ton of adorable IC, y'know, userinfos BUT WHERE IS ALL THE FIC? THE FIC, THE FIC!!!! D:

Date: 2007-07-29 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
The thing is, I feel like... you can tell smaller-scope stories a lot easier with MWPP, just about friends and feuds and loyalties and a bunch of blokes in a boarding school being assholes and growing up and doing everything for the first time and the last time. There's this aura of school-time stories with the MWPP I can never quite achieve in Triofic because something Big is always going on and Harry doesn't have the air of carefree mischief and joie de vivre, and post-Hogwarts fics are so often over-the-top rather than gritty yet poignant because the themes of trust/betrayal/paranoia with the Marauders is so much... more subtle? Harry can never, like, subtly doubt Ron, like in DH it was a huge explosion because that's how Harry is. I don't know. It's like a whole huge rift of genres, and I -wish- I could write Marauder-era because I feel like you can tell a lot more everyday and emotionally subtle relationship stories with it. But then I'm an over-the-top angst whore as well, plus I just feel Harry and Ron and Draco and Ginny more intensely. It's not at all nostalgic/sepia-colored and a lot more ragged and visceral, so I'm torn. D:

Oh wellz. Off too see OoTP. (y)!

Date: 2007-07-29 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
This is true. I can't write Marauder-era either, but I always really appreciate the fics and such set then. I like them better, I think, usually, but I can't do them at all.

Have you read this? I'm totally in love with it.

Anyway, I am still excited about the seventynine game, because dlkjs looks really promising. I know who's doing Xenophilius and, yay! Gurdyroot infusion! Ahhh, I love the Marauders, I just can't write that. And yeah, the first time around Order stuff, and that first war desperation/hope, and just, the boyishness, you know? With the Trio, the dynamic is different.

Okay, NOW you're going to see OotP, I see. :)

Date: 2007-07-29 08:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Y'know, half the reason I've convinced myself I can't write MWPP is because of the tone of the characters, like-- the way they talk, all British...y and slangy and witty but in a totally different way than Snape or Draco, and that's difficult for me. The funny part about that is that it's fanon-- it's not like we've got bits in canon where Sirius & James have that slangy funky groove thang. You can't write it and be emo or angsty/introspective believably... unless you're [ profile] librae. Or Prufrock. Or a lot of others. But not me :( Anyway, it's like writing Ron. You just can't mess around. He has to sound like Ron or ELSE, y'know? :>

I feel like I might (MIGHT!) be able to write teenage!Snape->Lily. God. It's just so great :( Especially write the depantsing & the fight from his pov and maybe their next meeting, and like, more about what messed up things were going on in his head and his repressed homosexual impulses towards James. OMG J/L/S AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHhh. I am a little too excited ^^;

It does look promising! But I never follow games D: Except look at them for really brief periods and then forget all about them except for my angst about how I can never sound as believably blokey as their userinfos :>
And I did, I saw the movie again by myself <3. I cried even more than before, and I definitely noticed how it slid right into DH-mode and just how connected they are, much more than OoTP & HBP, I feel (in mood) or HBP & DH. I kept thinking OMG REMUS IS DEAD and FRED!! and OMG SNAAAAPE SHOWING HIM THAT MEMORY AGAINST HIS WILL and OMG HE WANTS DUMBLEDORE TO LOOK AT HIM and. God. That scene with Tom in him. God. He seriously just glowed around Sirius and the way Sirius just kept winking at him and the way Harry ate up his every word when Sirius promised they'd be a proper family and how the world isn't made up of good people & Death Eaters and how he's mean to Kreacher and KREACHER. Glowed. And OMG HARRY & RON RON RON RONNNNnn and plucky!Neville. I love Voldemort telling Harry he'll lose everything, and Harry WILL at one point. And when you look for it, Draco's in surprisingly many scenes, just no spoken lines. And. AH. And that scene where the three of them are laughing after he kisses Cho (I literally can't look from embarrassment) and Harry has that amazed/bemused expression.lakfjlkajsfljkl HARRY. Sometimes it just kills me that I'm like, sick with love for him and he's not real >___>

Date: 2007-07-29 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah yeah yeah, that's exactly it, supposedly all British-y and seventies and like - I can't do that. But you're right, it's a total fanon thing, just one everyone's mostly grasped onto, unlike leather pants Draco, etc. Also, you're right about Ron. If he doesn't sound like Ron, what's the point really!

Believably blokey as their userinfos, dkjfs I KNOW. But I mean, who could ever be as good as NA, and it was still joyful to follow? I dunno. I'm excited :)

SLDKFJS OOTP. YES. AND THE WAY SNAPE TALKS ABOUT HARRY'S FATHER, AND IS LIKE, "You and Black, you're two of a kind, always whining about how unfair your lives are," and I'm like <333 SNAPE, because Harry doesn't know yet but! But! And shit, I am the furthest thing from a Snape fan, too. I never even used to read fics with Snape in them. I know, and he totally glowed around Sirius, and I hope David Yates can work some of that magic with Michael Gambon and Dan because I need a good Dumbledore in HBP and so far Michael Gambon has not been that. KDJS Sirius's winks! And when Sirius was like, "When this is all over, we'll be a proper family" and they HUG SO TIGHTLY and the way Harry in PoA wants to get a house in the country kdfj. Draco is in a lot of scenes, just sort of watching, which when you think about it is pretty true. Hahaha, I liked that odd post-kiss laughing scene better this time around. I love that scene with Voldemort in Harry. DanRad is really creepy, for real! He's all arching off the floor and he looks like he's wearing eyeliner :)) And Harry feels sorry for Riddle. kdjfs oh man, and I really love Cho, and I love movie!Cho, and I love the way she says Harry's name, oh man.

The funny thing is, Bonnie Wright or whatever her name is still looks too young and kind of mousy to be the Ginny I imagine HBP and DH Ginny is. I wonder if they will make her more blazing. And funny, etc. Now she just is sort of there, making faces when Cho is mentioned and occasionally wowing everybody with her Very Powerful Magical Abilities.


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