Ron is Dumbledore.
Holy crap, holy crap, holy -crap-!!
If he isn't, there had best be some fancy footwork by JKR, what with all this stacked up in the favor of that (admittedly nutty-sounding) idea. When I first saw the kicker in
ixchelmala &
lizardlaugh's theory, I was like, "!!! ...no" of course. But.
Now all I can think of is Ron's broken wand in CoS, and what a sadly underdeveloped unserious typical-boy wizard he is, and how quietly jealous he is of others' abilities and fame and so on, how overshadowed he feels by his brothers. Poor Ron, right, always in the sidelines.
It would be perfect. PERFECT. If Ron turned out to... well... be the greatest (and least serious!) wizard alive (even though the time-travel idea still hurts my head).
God, I love him. My mind is completely blown. Completely. I never read all the silly canon-predicting theories. I mean. Who cares, really. I'm not a plot-obsessed person, anyway, more into characterization. But. This has such -huge- consequences for characterization. It blows my mind.
Holy crap. Dumbledore really did refer to their relationship in the past tense in OoTP. "Had ever been", indeed. Gah. It was this that really clinched it for me. How else could you explain that? I just want to see someone explain that some other way, man. 'Cause otherwise-- DUDE. RON! If it's not true, it should be.
I always thought that Dumbledore's love for Harry was a little... much. Like. Why does he love him so much? Why? HOLY CRAP. And Dumbledore sees himself holding a pair of socks in Erised, and if socks symbolize mother-love, wah!! Omg. He-- omg, he must really have missed his mother. :((
Holy crap, holy crap, holy -crap-!!
If he isn't, there had best be some fancy footwork by JKR, what with all this stacked up in the favor of that (admittedly nutty-sounding) idea. When I first saw the kicker in
Now all I can think of is Ron's broken wand in CoS, and what a sadly underdeveloped unserious typical-boy wizard he is, and how quietly jealous he is of others' abilities and fame and so on, how overshadowed he feels by his brothers. Poor Ron, right, always in the sidelines.
It would be perfect. PERFECT. If Ron turned out to... well... be the greatest (and least serious!) wizard alive (even though the time-travel idea still hurts my head).
God, I love him. My mind is completely blown. Completely. I never read all the silly canon-predicting theories. I mean. Who cares, really. I'm not a plot-obsessed person, anyway, more into characterization. But. This has such -huge- consequences for characterization. It blows my mind.
Holy crap. Dumbledore really did refer to their relationship in the past tense in OoTP. "Had ever been", indeed. Gah. It was this that really clinched it for me. How else could you explain that? I just want to see someone explain that some other way, man. 'Cause otherwise-- DUDE. RON! If it's not true, it should be.
I always thought that Dumbledore's love for Harry was a little... much. Like. Why does he love him so much? Why? HOLY CRAP. And Dumbledore sees himself holding a pair of socks in Erised, and if socks symbolize mother-love, wah!! Omg. He-- omg, he must really have missed his mother. :((
WEASLEY IS MY KING!
Date: 2004-01-09 12:32 pm (UTC)Whether or not the theory ends up proving correct, it's stuff like this that keeps me in fandom. *hugs fellow obsessives* Wanking on canon is such a more pleasant use of time than bnf deathmatches and all the rest of it.
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Date: 2004-01-09 12:45 pm (UTC)But anyway.
Yes :D This is a trillion times more pleasant & exciting :D I am suddenly overwhelmed with a rush of love for Ron. It's weird. Hehehe. It's just like JKR to make that ditty secretly -true- somehow, eheheh!! Wah. *beams*
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Date: 2004-01-09 12:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-09 01:01 pm (UTC)Now I'll be all disappointed if it isn't true. Maybe that's why I don't get into the canon-prediction stuff in the first place, 'cause if you get attached to your "pet idea", it's not as fun to find out you're totally wrong, ahahah.
But I'm sure JKR has -something- earth-shaking up her sleeve, and since Harry has been explained away with the "prophecy" (of nothingness) & it's been all plugged up with a whimper rather than a bang, I mean. It has to be something other than Harry that brings that bang.
OMG!!
I CAN'T WAIT :D :D!!
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:34 pm (UTC)But this seems logical and totally like something JK would think of. I'm a shipper of this theory, me thinks. ^_^
But I agree. I think that Harry does have a few more suprised up his sleeves, but the people around him have more potenial than he realizes. Neville, I think, is going to come out and become a hero. *hearts Neville*
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:46 pm (UTC)That said, the endgame with Voldemort isn't the be-all and end-all of their lives or anything. I'm a tad miffed at the fandom-wide love for Neville when it implies that this is somehow a replacement or a rewriting of the previous Harry-the-hero canon, y'know? Even if the secondary characters get developed, get special powers & meanings, they're still secondary characters.
This is still Harry's story, and in a way, it's always going to be Harry's fight in a very unique sense. Even though it's everyone's fight in a number of ways. It's just. Complicated~:)
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:00 pm (UTC)I would love to see Harry kill Bellatrix, too, you know. Kill the bitch 'cause of what she did to Sirius, but I think Neville deserves that honour.
I don't care what happens in the next books...the squid could be Dumbledore for all I care. As long as Remus doesn't die, I'll be a happy, happy camper. *wibbles and tries not to think about JK saying there are more deaths to come*
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:16 pm (UTC)But. I wouldn't rule it out, of course. It'd be at the very end though. But prolly not.
I don't see Harry, Ron, Remus or
Dumbledore will likely die. Probably more than one of the Weasleys. Several Gryffindors like Dean and Lavender and Luna or something. No, prolly not Luna.
FUCK I'LL HATE EVERYTHING IF DRACO DIES >:O
But he might. I'm torn on that. It seems... cruel & overkill, you know, 'cause he's so incompetent and basically harmless. Lucius prolly will. *sigh*
I will be most upset at Harry, Draco & Ron, and you can definitely see where my priorities are, can't you, ahahaha.
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Date: 2004-01-09 03:48 pm (UTC)Gah, I just pray that doesn't happen.
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Date: 2004-01-09 12:56 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-09 01:04 pm (UTC)Oh man. I'm not forever biased~:))
I can only imagine the look on Harry's face if/when he realizes ;D :D!
OR DRACO'S!!! AHAHAHAHAHAH.
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:06 pm (UTC)typo. pay no attention to the man (house-elf) behind the curtain.
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:08 pm (UTC)Draco: W-weasley?
Ron: You have detention. For the rest of eternity.
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:11 pm (UTC)Omg. "But... But... MY FATHER WILL HEAR OF THIS!"
"Your father is my bitch, Malfoy. Lucius, nothing. -Voldemort- is my bitch."
Draco: *falls over, nosebleeds*
ahahah. oh. priceless. :D :D!
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:16 pm (UTC)Ron: I AM GOD.
Draco: *cries*
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:22 pm (UTC)Ron: MUWAHAHAH.
Dumbledore: Let's go have some candy. I have a secret stash I was saving for just this occasion.
Ron: *rules* ~:))
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:31 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-09 01:55 pm (UTC)That said, the possibilities for comedy are simply endless, though admittedly as soon/around the time Ron finds out is prolly when he disappears or something. Wah.
But who needs to make sense when one can write Ron & Dumbledore comparing notes??
And this doesn't even touch upon -Hermione's- reaction, ahahah.
She'd be all. Stoic. And yet madly trying to find some way out. Any way out. Maybe she'd follow him into the past.
Ahahaha omg. "Do you have any idea how many old customs there are to study, Ron?!?"
hee.
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:00 pm (UTC)I don't think I could write it. I think I'd be too... biased? in my writing.
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:08 pm (UTC)*wins*
not in fandom indeed >:D!
But I know what you mean. Maybe? :-? Although, you know, we're all biased. Dude. It is a rare and precious fic that isn't obviously, horribly, disgustingly, BLATANTLY biased.
It is all good if it is funny~:))
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:14 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-09 02:20 pm (UTC)Still. I write humorfic for H/D all the time, and I often take it pretty seriously. I think if I'm -really- really into something in a big way then I poke fun at it even more viciously. I'm just morbid I guess~:)
But yeah. One has to care and yet care about the "right" aspect of the thing.
That's what I was thinking of yesterday, too. The whole idea of "the fandom". To me, it doesn't exist. It's just individuals, some I like & some I don't & some I don't have the first clue about~:)
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-09 01:03 pm (UTC)And, seriously, the sock thing almost made me cry.
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:18 pm (UTC)Oh man. I know what you mean about the sock thing. That was just sad. Wah. WAH. It just makes such perfect -sense-, it's almost scary. And I can't think of any other explanation for it except that it was just another instance of the sock metaphor/usage we see with Harry & Ron & the house-elves. And yet. This is the -Mirror of Erised-. It's -important-. Why would it be -that- important to Dumbledore??? WAH!! :((
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:39 pm (UTC)I'm off to reread some stuff and see how far the theory holds up...
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:50 pm (UTC)Ahhh, ignorance is sweet. ;-?
*laughs*
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Date: 2004-01-09 01:51 pm (UTC);-D
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:38 pm (UTC)and the eye color thing-- that's intriguing, as well as the auburn hair. just wow wow wow.
*elated*
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:51 pm (UTC)If it's not true, it just means someone has to write it~:))
Ahaha although that definitely won't be me :>
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Date: 2004-01-09 02:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-09 04:07 pm (UTC)Heheh, although that puts me in the uncomfortable position of empathizing with the people who give Draco veela powers & wings, ahahahah. Um.
Curious how the socks seem to be so central. And yet. ~:)
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Date: 2004-01-09 03:45 pm (UTC)That Dumbledore is saying it was not only important that he be only Harry's headmaster that year, but that he should also cover up the fact that he has been more than a headmaster to him for the past five years.
-m (prefers Ron as Ron with his own personality and his own hair color--red, not auburn, but loves people for coming up thinking this stuff anyway)
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Date: 2004-01-09 04:03 pm (UTC)*feels abashed*
I know what you mean, but like they said... how were they more than pupil & headmaster?
I mean, does Harry really love him as more than a headmaster? And I mean, clearly Dumbledore does love him more than he would a "normal" student, but like I said, that's always seemed off or weird to me. I know he's James & Lily's child, and Dumbledore was involved in that whole mess & placing him at the Dursley's... but... I mean... was he that close to James & Lily?
It. I don't know. Seems... a bit too convenient for him to love Harry? Like, everyone loves Harry. The headmaster's favorite. It's just. I dunno... prolly the sort of thing that makes people resent Harry and/or Dumbledore and question his judgement. 'Cause Dumbledore has always behaved on the edge of unreasonably when it came to Harry & treating him as a pupil he's supposed to look after, y'know? He always thought Harry should learn things on his own, and the hard way, at that-- and, I mean. I trust Dumbledore, but it's still... questionable. It has room.
What I meant was, how is their relationship more? I mean. Is it just James & Lily & that whole aspect of things? If so, why would... I mean, it doesn't really explain it. I'm torn.
But yes. Heee. I would kind of also prefer Ron to be Ron. It's simpler that way~:)) Ron is Ron is Ron.
But I like the Ron Is A Great And Powerful Wizard idea. I want him to be special somehow~:)
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Date: 2004-01-09 05:25 pm (UTC)Also, two words: Hermione/Dumbledore. ::shudder:: (And doesn't why he seem as fond of Hermione as he is of Harry? Seems to me Hermione/Dumbledore scenes would be ELECTRIC if he was a grown-up Ron. He's an old man beholding his first crush again. Not to mention the Weasleys--wouldn't he be fonder of them?)
I know what you mean, but like they said... how were they more than pupil & headmaster?
I would definitely say they were, particularly on Dumbledore's side. Remember most students probably never see Dumbledore. Dumbledore has had more than one quasi-father/son talk with Harry. The kind of talk that I would hope he would never have with Ron, btw.
Also, I'm not expert on True Crime but there are a couple of cases I've gotten obsessed with over time so I've read a lot of Big Theories about things in books. This is the way they work--you have a great theory that's inspired by something and makes for a great story, then you look for things to fit it. Like long fingers become big hands because they seem related. Or, even more crazily OTT, Ron doesn't like the color maroon because he will be "marooned" in time.
Now, about Ron being special--absolutely. I guess that's kind of why I don't like this idea. Ron isn't special to me in it, because he doesn't exist. He's just the pre-cursor to the already-special character, Dumbledore. I think what I like about Ron is that he is special because he doesn't have super powers, but that shows how competant he is. He's maturing, imo, possibly developing faster than either Harry's or Hermione in some ways because it's all he's got.
I hope I'm not being a big downer here! I just love Ron. And probably I also just don't want to know that much about the ending to the series! LOL!
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Date: 2004-01-09 05:49 pm (UTC)teehee.
Anyway, yes. That was brilliant. No, it doesn't work at all, and I think that worked wonderfully to make me reach that conclusion myself, whether or not you're biased~:) I mean, a 130-or-so years have probably passed, but. Anyway, it doesn't work. Like. No, the logistics & the details don't hold up. It's too much of a loose thread. You'd need a whole book to make it fit. And it doesn't, come to think of it in terms of everything it would involve. Yeah.
Not to mention being creepy~:)
Yeah, I know what you mean about people stretching things-- the "maroon" thing & the hands thing stuck out at me especially, and it's funny how one looks kindly upon these holes, whereas to be a serious theory it'd need to be able to pass with at least 90% success. I avoid Big Theories on principle, 'cause they're addictive and also usually wrong. Except I do have pet conspiracy theories, like Roswell & JFK, which I chew at sporadically, in my own mind. I try to get over it. Roswell, though, is stuck in my head. It was a UFO, man. *fanatic gleam*
You're not a downer at all. I don't think you -can- be. Go ahead and try. I don't think it'd be very easy, if you -could- do it :D ♥
And yes. I do love Ron's power being his will & his strategic mind and dedicated heart. Although. The divining still attracts me. Just 'cause. It'd be cool~:)) People who say Ron isn't smart enough for Hermione are ON SO MUCH CRACK :D :D!!
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Date: 2004-01-12 07:44 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-01-09 09:32 pm (UTC)hee... this is very strange. Now I kinda want to reread them, too, and try to force this interpretation and see what happens. When I have the time I think I might do this.
The sock thing was odd. All I could think of was "Dark Side of Light" and I'm having difficulty getting back on track. Also, I glanced at the linked essay and it seemed to have no basis in reality. But there are a lot of socks floating around in that story, I do have to agree with that point.
hee. This is just insane. I'll have to reread it when I'm more awake.
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Date: 2004-01-10 06:13 pm (UTC)I'm kind of embarrassed now. It was like the flu-- it came, it went. It got me to remember how much I love Ron. I really love Ron and Harry and Draco (and sometimes Sirius and Remus, also), a ridiculous amount. For some reason I can't love Hermione, because she just seems so... prickly and stiff. Hee. Well, Draco is prickly & stiff too, but in a cute way, like, he'd growl and slash at you, but he really wants it bad, you know he does.
I kind of dig Hermione when I'm channeling Ron though. Heh. In the end, I just want Ron to kick ass, Harry to laugh,
and Draco to get really well fucked*coughs* I mean... um....And Draco... I want Draco to have his whole being kind of put through the meat-grinder of life. And also to realize that he really does want Potter, and watch his little mind disintegrate from the knowledge.
Oh wait, I said I loved him -.-
I don't have the sweetest, kindest impulses towards Draco, I guess. I want him to have some sort of trial by fire. And then sex. Yes, that would be good~:))
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Date: 2004-01-11 01:41 pm (UTC)You do know that we're all fucked when the 6th book finally comes out and we have to attempt to understand it, right?
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Date: 2004-01-09 10:02 pm (UTC)I'm having trouble with Harry's "hesitation" after Ron says he has to sacrifice himself, that the essay seems to link to Harry's hesitation as it starts in fifth year. If this ("Harry's last move. We feel this move is symbolic of the last three books.") is true, why does Ron sacrificing himself & Hermione taking out the white bishop happen before it? There are a coule of links that seem a little shady to me as well (like the one about Ron's taking out two white pieces to Save H&Hr a reflection of the troll incident in PS/SS, which is really a team effort with him and Harry). Also, where is Snape?? He is a *very* important part of it all, but why does he not have a mentioned piece?
(Draco/Hermione is definitely not happening--although some kind of other connection isn't ruled out though--because I remember JKR's comment about not wanting to say because she "didn't want to ruin the fan sites" when someone asked her if there would be unusual pairings, specifically like D/Hr. And I always thought that it couldn't because due to POV issues it wouldn't have time to develop enough to be plausible.)
Ron=Dumbledore just hurts my brain (even without the time travel!). I agree with
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Date: 2004-01-10 05:35 pm (UTC)And one would have to be almost insane to write Ron-as-Dumbledore, now that I think about it. Just. The whole idea. Yeah. It hurts my brain. Who'd write that? It's mad :>
I think the D/Hr idea was silly & there's clearly many other explanations possible there. To me, D/Hr is like... a reasoned-out "well, they have such-and-such conflicts that could be played on" ship. There's no active chemistry there, I guess, so it's all supposition and circumstantial evidence and over-interpreting of actions. Now I'm treading dangerously close to implying H/D is more canon, hehehe. ^^; I always thought that was silly. No slash is canon. Hmmm. But the relationship (of whatever sort) between H&D is more there in canon, I guess I mean. Heh. It wouldn't need the leap of sudden development to make happen. Well, it -would-, but of a different sort, not the getting-to-know-you sort. Eh. Whatever.
It's a pretty good theory, like a firework. But then it fizzles. For me, anyway :> Maybe I'm just easily bored...? :-?
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Date: 2004-01-10 07:51 am (UTC)it so could be!
I'd be so terribly impressed with JKR.
Although I'd be sad, sad, terribly sad, because I love Ron now, and my Ron love was a painful and painstakingly acquired thing, and it would sadden me if he grew up to be such a gimboid.
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Date: 2004-01-10 01:36 pm (UTC)you are the cutest evah <3!
It's okay, man. Me & Sister M have figured out that it doesn't work, so you can go back to loving Ron now. It's safe :D :D
Ahahahah YOU SAID GIMBOID <3!
Also. You were entirely sober when you wrote that, I take it....? *giggles*
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Date: 2004-01-12 07:41 am (UTC)*is unhelpful echo*
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Date: 2004-01-10 10:34 am (UTC)i remember some prediction that i stoutheartedly wanted to avoid but wound up hearing anyway, much to my chagrin. . . having something to do with hermione's name and something of a love triangle. . . maybe this is how the "claiming" of the white bishop (aka draco) takes place? otherwise, that's the only part i'm having a nick of difficulty accepting readily. and if that is the case, oh no. i can see draco/hermione, but. . . harry/draco, man!!!
the only prediction i was holding to prior to this "enlightenment" was the parallel between harry & draco and james & snape. draco seems present enough in the series that he would play some small, key role towards the end. my guess was that the occurrence of certain events would lead to him being indebted to harry, much in the way snape became indebted to james for saving his life.
. . . and now the word "indebted" is instigating all sorts of x-rated scenarios in my brain. oh dear.
*runs off to gush at
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Date: 2004-01-10 05:26 pm (UTC)And well,
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Date: 2004-01-12 05:32 pm (UTC)