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Jan. 9th, 2004 02:52 pm
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Ron is Dumbledore.

Holy crap, holy crap, holy -crap-!!

If he isn't, there had best be some fancy footwork by JKR, what with all this stacked up in the favor of that (admittedly nutty-sounding) idea. When I first saw the kicker in [livejournal.com profile] ixchelmala & [livejournal.com profile] lizardlaugh's theory, I was like, "!!! ...no" of course. But.

Now all I can think of is Ron's broken wand in CoS, and what a sadly underdeveloped unserious typical-boy wizard he is, and how quietly jealous he is of others' abilities and fame and so on, how overshadowed he feels by his brothers. Poor Ron, right, always in the sidelines.

It would be perfect. PERFECT. If Ron turned out to... well... be the greatest (and least serious!) wizard alive (even though the time-travel idea still hurts my head).

God, I love him. My mind is completely blown. Completely. I never read all the silly canon-predicting theories. I mean. Who cares, really. I'm not a plot-obsessed person, anyway, more into characterization. But. This has such -huge- consequences for characterization. It blows my mind.

Holy crap. Dumbledore really did refer to their relationship in the past tense in OoTP. "Had ever been", indeed. Gah. It was this that really clinched it for me. How else could you explain that? I just want to see someone explain that some other way, man. 'Cause otherwise-- DUDE. RON! If it's not true, it should be.

I always thought that Dumbledore's love for Harry was a little... much. Like. Why does he love him so much? Why? HOLY CRAP. And Dumbledore sees himself holding a pair of socks in Erised, and if socks symbolize mother-love, wah!! Omg. He-- omg, he must really have missed his mother. :((

WEASLEY IS MY KING!

Date: 2004-01-09 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spare-change.livejournal.com
<3333

Whether or not the theory ends up proving correct, it's stuff like this that keeps me in fandom. *hugs fellow obsessives* Wanking on canon is such a more pleasant use of time than bnf deathmatches and all the rest of it.

Re: WEASLEY IS MY KING!

Date: 2004-01-09 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
!! :D! I was just thinking that I missed you~:) <333! 'Course, I -would-, since I haven't read my flist in -days-. *coughs*
But anyway.
Yes :D This is a trillion times more pleasant & exciting :D I am suddenly overwhelmed with a rush of love for Ron. It's weird. Hehehe. It's just like JKR to make that ditty secretly -true- somehow, eheheh!! Wah. *beams*

Date: 2004-01-09 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scizo-frenic.livejournal.com
I know! My mind is so freaking boggled its presently mush and leaking out my ears! At first I couldn't believe what they were saying, but then it starting make a weird sort of sense. If this is true...JK Rowling is a genius and Ix and LizardLaugh are brilliant for figuring it out.

Date: 2004-01-09 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Heeeee! Oh man!
Now I'll be all disappointed if it isn't true. Maybe that's why I don't get into the canon-prediction stuff in the first place, 'cause if you get attached to your "pet idea", it's not as fun to find out you're totally wrong, ahahah.
But I'm sure JKR has -something- earth-shaking up her sleeve, and since Harry has been explained away with the "prophecy" (of nothingness) & it's been all plugged up with a whimper rather than a bang, I mean. It has to be something other than Harry that brings that bang.

OMG!!
I CAN'T WAIT :D :D!!

Date: 2004-01-09 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scizo-frenic.livejournal.com
Wah! I know! I try not to get wrapped up in canon speculating either, it only upsets me. Like before OotP came out I was freaking out that it was Remus that was going to die, hearing all the rumors...I mean I'm glad Remus didn't die but...:(

But this seems logical and totally like something JK would think of. I'm a shipper of this theory, me thinks. ^_^

But I agree. I think that Harry does have a few more suprised up his sleeves, but the people around him have more potenial than he realizes. Neville, I think, is going to come out and become a hero. *hearts Neville*

Date: 2004-01-09 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Oh man. I do think Neville is important, but I think he's also basically back-up, and that Harry has to defeat Voldemort. See, like. It's Harry that defeats him but it's just-- Ron & Neville & Luna & Dumbledore -help-. In the end it's Harry that is linked to Voldemort's destiny, blah-blah. I don't think Dumbledore lied except by omission, and well. It's Harry's job.

That said, the endgame with Voldemort isn't the be-all and end-all of their lives or anything. I'm a tad miffed at the fandom-wide love for Neville when it implies that this is somehow a replacement or a rewriting of the previous Harry-the-hero canon, y'know? Even if the secondary characters get developed, get special powers & meanings, they're still secondary characters.

This is still Harry's story, and in a way, it's always going to be Harry's fight in a very unique sense. Even though it's everyone's fight in a number of ways. It's just. Complicated~:)

Date: 2004-01-09 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scizo-frenic.livejournal.com
I see what you mean. No, Harry will definetly be the one to defeat Voldemort. I don't really want anyone else to defeat Voldemort, he deserves that right. I mean, he killed his parents. I think Neville is going to kill/maim/crucio Bellatrix, which would make him a hero in a smaller way, but a hero none the less.

I would love to see Harry kill Bellatrix, too, you know. Kill the bitch 'cause of what she did to Sirius, but I think Neville deserves that honour.

I don't care what happens in the next books...the squid could be Dumbledore for all I care. As long as Remus doesn't die, I'll be a happy, happy camper. *wibbles and tries not to think about JK saying there are more deaths to come*

Date: 2004-01-09 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Remus dying is probably one of the least likely thing. 'Cause he's the last one and everything.
But. I wouldn't rule it out, of course. It'd be at the very end though. But prolly not.
I don't see Harry, Ron, Remus or
Dumbledore will likely die. Probably more than one of the Weasleys. Several Gryffindors like Dean and Lavender and Luna or something. No, prolly not Luna.

FUCK I'LL HATE EVERYTHING IF DRACO DIES >:O
But he might. I'm torn on that. It seems... cruel & overkill, you know, 'cause he's so incompetent and basically harmless. Lucius prolly will. *sigh*
I will be most upset at Harry, Draco & Ron, and you can definitely see where my priorities are, can't you, ahahaha.

Date: 2004-01-09 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scizo-frenic.livejournal.com
I'd be pretty upset about Draco too. >:O First she kills off Sirius then she kills of Draco...Who can we slash, huh? Who are we left with?! No one, that's who!

Gah, I just pray that doesn't happen.

Date: 2004-01-09 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
See, Ron rules all. :>

Date: 2004-01-09 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
heheh, indeed he is. Your Ron, definitely, and hopefully the real Ron also. I can't believe I just said that. -.-

Oh man. I'm not forever biased~:))
I can only imagine the look on Harry's face if/when he realizes ;D :D!

OR DRACO'S!!! AHAHAHAHAHAH.

Date: 2004-01-09 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
... and when I said "I'm not", I really meant I am, ahahaha.

typo. pay no attention to the man (house-elf) behind the curtain.

Date: 2004-01-09 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Draco: W-weasley?
Ron: You have detention. For the rest of eternity.

Date: 2004-01-09 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
*cracks up*

Omg. "But... But... MY FATHER WILL HEAR OF THIS!"
"Your father is my bitch, Malfoy. Lucius, nothing. -Voldemort- is my bitch."
Draco: *falls over, nosebleeds*

ahahah. oh. priceless. :D :D!

Date: 2004-01-09 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
*DEAD!!!!!!!*

Ron: I AM GOD.
Draco: *cries*

Date: 2004-01-09 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Dumbledore: Don't tease those less fortunate, Ron. It's beneath you.
Ron: MUWAHAHAH.
Dumbledore: Let's go have some candy. I have a secret stash I was saving for just this occasion.
Ron: *rules* ~:))

Date: 2004-01-09 01:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
OMFG YOU MUST WRITE IT NOW. I AM DYING, DYING!!!!!!!!!!1

Date: 2004-01-09 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Oh man. I was so thinking someone should write it, but I definitely didn't think it'd be a humorfic. And even more definitely, I didn't think it'd be -me-, ahahah. What about -you-? *pokes* You're the funny one around here~:)) Also, your Ron already rules :>

That said, the possibilities for comedy are simply endless, though admittedly as soon/around the time Ron finds out is prolly when he disappears or something. Wah.

But who needs to make sense when one can write Ron & Dumbledore comparing notes??
And this doesn't even touch upon -Hermione's- reaction, ahahah.
She'd be all. Stoic. And yet madly trying to find some way out. Any way out. Maybe she'd follow him into the past.

Ahahaha omg. "Do you have any idea how many old customs there are to study, Ron?!?"
hee.

Date: 2004-01-09 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
Oooooh. R/Hr!!!!!1

I don't think I could write it. I think I'd be too... biased? in my writing.

Date: 2004-01-09 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
ahahah but I got you to consider it even if slightly and momentarily :D :D!!
*wins*
not in fandom indeed >:D!

But I know what you mean. Maybe? :-? Although, you know, we're all biased. Dude. It is a rare and precious fic that isn't obviously, horribly, disgustingly, BLATANTLY biased.
It is all good if it is funny~:))

Date: 2004-01-09 02:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
I think it's sort of harder to write humour for something that either I take a little seriously, or something where an aspect of it ceases to be funny for me (in this case, HP fandom). Know what I mean? :-s I mean, like... I think my fic would end up snarking more at fandom and less at the characters. :-? I don't think I have the energy for HP fic.

Date: 2004-01-09 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
*sighs* Yeah, I know what you mean. That reminds me of the last bit of your H/D fic. Heh.

Still. I write humorfic for H/D all the time, and I often take it pretty seriously. I think if I'm -really- really into something in a big way then I poke fun at it even more viciously. I'm just morbid I guess~:)
But yeah. One has to care and yet care about the "right" aspect of the thing.
That's what I was thinking of yesterday, too. The whole idea of "the fandom". To me, it doesn't exist. It's just individuals, some I like & some I don't & some I don't have the first clue about~:)

Date: 2004-01-09 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
And some I don't want to know. :)) Fandom has a lot of really awesome people, but then there are also the ones who ruin it. :-L

Date: 2004-01-09 01:03 pm (UTC)
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I am completely enthralled by this theory. I want to grab my novels and re-read all weekend, looking at the series in a whole new way. The whole idea is so sneaky, so devious, so completely logical and illogical at the same time, it's brilliant. I love it.

And, seriously, the sock thing almost made me cry.

Date: 2004-01-09 01:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I know!! Everything would be different. Everything. WAH!! I am so excited~:)) I'm not sure if I want someone to actually write a futurefic based on this or if I just want JKR to do it. Prolly the latter. Omg. I always thought that Cassie Claire's Diviner!Ron was on the right track, you know. Ron's tactical abilities are obvious and underutilized. I definitely think -something- has to happen on the Ron front in the next 2 books, something that really gives Ron a lot more power (since he's so insecure and yet has clear potential and is in a perfect position, as Harry's best friend, to like-- do things that affect Harry & everything else).

Oh man. I know what you mean about the sock thing. That was just sad. Wah. WAH. It just makes such perfect -sense-, it's almost scary. And I can't think of any other explanation for it except that it was just another instance of the sock metaphor/usage we see with Harry & Ron & the house-elves. And yet. This is the -Mirror of Erised-. It's -important-. Why would it be -that- important to Dumbledore??? WAH!! :((

Date: 2004-01-09 01:39 pm (UTC)
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Don't you just love how many people have jumped on this! My flist has suddenly exploded in canon love. Guess this was just what we needed :-D
I'm off to reread some stuff and see how far the theory holds up...

Date: 2004-01-09 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
This is what happens when I don't read my flist. I got the link off of the veelainc mailing list. I have no idea if half the fandom is talking about it-- if I'd known they were, I'd probably have commented on someone else's post rather than post myself.

Ahhh, ignorance is sweet. ;-?
*laughs*

Date: 2004-01-09 01:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] morganmuffle
half may have been an exaggeration but I got it from HPfGU and then found it on several journals. Anyway the more it get mentions the more people we get discussing it so it's all good!
;-D

Date: 2004-01-09 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bekkle.livejournal.com
amazing amazing amazing. the sock thing was so profound. it made me all choked up. i really hope this is true. if not, i'll kill JK. and if so, I'll kill the writers of the theory for giving it away. ehehhehehe.

and the eye color thing-- that's intriguing, as well as the auburn hair. just wow wow wow.

*elated*

Date: 2004-01-09 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
hopefully I'll forget most of it by the time the next book comes around (and the book after that...! I probably won't even be in fandom by then. I really hope.)
If it's not true, it just means someone has to write it~:))

Ahaha although that definitely won't be me :>

Date: 2004-01-09 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lazy-daze.livejournal.com
Yes, that was exactly my reaction! Normally I don't bother with canon theories cause most of them are too crackpot, but this? I so want it to be true, it just seems to *work*, and omg, Ronlove. And socks!!

Date: 2004-01-09 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Ahahah most of the thrust of the positive response seems to be, "wah, we always knew Ron was special!"
Heheh, although that puts me in the uncomfortable position of empathizing with the people who give Draco veela powers & wings, ahahahah. Um.

Curious how the socks seem to be so central. And yet. ~:)

Date: 2004-01-09 03:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Holy crap. Dumbledore really did refer to their relationship in the past tense in OoTP. "Had ever been", indeed. Gah. It was this that really clinched it for me. How else could you explain that?

That Dumbledore is saying it was not only important that he be only Harry's headmaster that year, but that he should also cover up the fact that he has been more than a headmaster to him for the past five years.

-m (prefers Ron as Ron with his own personality and his own hair color--red, not auburn, but loves people for coming up thinking this stuff anyway)

Date: 2004-01-09 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
heheh, oh man, this really shows how much I trust your opinion. 'Cause I immediately sat up & went, "no you're right. no". eheheh!!
*feels abashed*
I know what you mean, but like they said... how were they more than pupil & headmaster?
I mean, does Harry really love him as more than a headmaster? And I mean, clearly Dumbledore does love him more than he would a "normal" student, but like I said, that's always seemed off or weird to me. I know he's James & Lily's child, and Dumbledore was involved in that whole mess & placing him at the Dursley's... but... I mean... was he that close to James & Lily?

It. I don't know. Seems... a bit too convenient for him to love Harry? Like, everyone loves Harry. The headmaster's favorite. It's just. I dunno... prolly the sort of thing that makes people resent Harry and/or Dumbledore and question his judgement. 'Cause Dumbledore has always behaved on the edge of unreasonably when it came to Harry & treating him as a pupil he's supposed to look after, y'know? He always thought Harry should learn things on his own, and the hard way, at that-- and, I mean. I trust Dumbledore, but it's still... questionable. It has room.

What I meant was, how is their relationship more? I mean. Is it just James & Lily & that whole aspect of things? If so, why would... I mean, it doesn't really explain it. I'm torn.

But yes. Heee. I would kind of also prefer Ron to be Ron. It's simpler that way~:)) Ron is Ron is Ron.
But I like the Ron Is A Great And Powerful Wizard idea. I want him to be special somehow~:)

Date: 2004-01-09 05:25 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Well, you should know I'm hardly objective on this. I find the idea of Ron being Dumbledore incredibly depressing! Ron lecturing Harry on how Sirius kind of brought his death on himself. Ron blubbing about how he wanted Harry to have a nice life. Ron placing Harry with the Dursleys. Ron lying to Harry "for his own good." Ron placing Harry over other students knowing his own struggles with being overlooked. Ron awarding himself points for Gryffindor at the end of PS/SS (yeah, he might do that, but it kind of erases the victory at the end of PS/SS completely). These kinds of things with Dumbledore erase completely in a way that makes me very sad. Where's straightforward Ron and Ron's sense of honor? I honestly have a hard time believing Dumbledore could ever be the kind of friend Ron is. When I picture Ron in 50 years, I don't picture Dumbledore at all.

Also, two words: Hermione/Dumbledore. ::shudder:: (And doesn't why he seem as fond of Hermione as he is of Harry? Seems to me Hermione/Dumbledore scenes would be ELECTRIC if he was a grown-up Ron. He's an old man beholding his first crush again. Not to mention the Weasleys--wouldn't he be fonder of them?)

I know what you mean, but like they said... how were they more than pupil & headmaster?

I would definitely say they were, particularly on Dumbledore's side. Remember most students probably never see Dumbledore. Dumbledore has had more than one quasi-father/son talk with Harry. The kind of talk that I would hope he would never have with Ron, btw.

Also, I'm not expert on True Crime but there are a couple of cases I've gotten obsessed with over time so I've read a lot of Big Theories about things in books. This is the way they work--you have a great theory that's inspired by something and makes for a great story, then you look for things to fit it. Like long fingers become big hands because they seem related. Or, even more crazily OTT, Ron doesn't like the color maroon because he will be "marooned" in time.

Now, about Ron being special--absolutely. I guess that's kind of why I don't like this idea. Ron isn't special to me in it, because he doesn't exist. He's just the pre-cursor to the already-special character, Dumbledore. I think what I like about Ron is that he is special because he doesn't have super powers, but that shows how competant he is. He's maturing, imo, possibly developing faster than either Harry's or Hermione in some ways because it's all he's got.

I hope I'm not being a big downer here! I just love Ron. And probably I also just don't want to know that much about the ending to the series! LOL!

Date: 2004-01-09 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
That whole list with Ron-as-Dumbledore gave me shudders, man. *beams at you* I swear, you're great at this stuff. *admires your brain, but doesn't steal since Maya has dibs*
teehee.
Anyway, yes. That was brilliant. No, it doesn't work at all, and I think that worked wonderfully to make me reach that conclusion myself, whether or not you're biased~:) I mean, a 130-or-so years have probably passed, but. Anyway, it doesn't work. Like. No, the logistics & the details don't hold up. It's too much of a loose thread. You'd need a whole book to make it fit. And it doesn't, come to think of it in terms of everything it would involve. Yeah.

Not to mention being creepy~:)
Yeah, I know what you mean about people stretching things-- the "maroon" thing & the hands thing stuck out at me especially, and it's funny how one looks kindly upon these holes, whereas to be a serious theory it'd need to be able to pass with at least 90% success. I avoid Big Theories on principle, 'cause they're addictive and also usually wrong. Except I do have pet conspiracy theories, like Roswell & JFK, which I chew at sporadically, in my own mind. I try to get over it. Roswell, though, is stuck in my head. It was a UFO, man. *fanatic gleam*

You're not a downer at all. I don't think you -can- be. Go ahead and try. I don't think it'd be very easy, if you -could- do it :D ♥
And yes. I do love Ron's power being his will & his strategic mind and dedicated heart. Although. The divining still attracts me. Just 'cause. It'd be cool~:)) People who say Ron isn't smart enough for Hermione are ON SO MUCH CRACK :D :D!!
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Date: 2004-01-12 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chresimos.livejournal.com
You know, I agree with you. I don't think Ron = Dumbledore is true (although anything's possible, I suppose, but I have reservations on other points), but if it was true, I would be very upset, because the idea is so depressing. Ron! Trapped in time! Doomed to relive all the most painful years of his life and yet being unable to do anything about it! So much woe. :(

Date: 2004-01-09 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ljash.livejournal.com
ha. HA. Ok. That sorta blew my mind as well. I mean, there's no way in hell it can be true but, wow. There was a lot of evidence that made some kind of sense in there. There was a lot that seemed like a stretch, too. I'm not sure what to make of the "has ever been" but it seems like there could be various interpretations. I thought he was saying that if V. finds out they were close, or had ever been close, then Harry was in greater danger. But in retrospect that doesn't make complete sense.

hee... this is very strange. Now I kinda want to reread them, too, and try to force this interpretation and see what happens. When I have the time I think I might do this.

The sock thing was odd. All I could think of was "Dark Side of Light" and I'm having difficulty getting back on track. Also, I glanced at the linked essay and it seemed to have no basis in reality. But there are a lot of socks floating around in that story, I do have to agree with that point.

hee. This is just insane. I'll have to reread it when I'm more awake.

Date: 2004-01-10 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
In the end, what I come away with (the moral, you might say), pretty much has to do with the socks. Socks are important. That's pretty much it :D :D!

I'm kind of embarrassed now. It was like the flu-- it came, it went. It got me to remember how much I love Ron. I really love Ron and Harry and Draco (and sometimes Sirius and Remus, also), a ridiculous amount. For some reason I can't love Hermione, because she just seems so... prickly and stiff. Hee. Well, Draco is prickly & stiff too, but in a cute way, like, he'd growl and slash at you, but he really wants it bad, you know he does.

I kind of dig Hermione when I'm channeling Ron though. Heh. In the end, I just want Ron to kick ass, Harry to laugh, and Draco to get really well fucked *coughs* I mean... um....

And Draco... I want Draco to have his whole being kind of put through the meat-grinder of life. And also to realize that he really does want Potter, and watch his little mind disintegrate from the knowledge.
Oh wait, I said I loved him -.-
I don't have the sweetest, kindest impulses towards Draco, I guess. I want him to have some sort of trial by fire. And then sex. Yes, that would be good~:))

Date: 2004-01-11 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ljash.livejournal.com
heeeheeeheeee....

You do know that we're all fucked when the 6th book finally comes out and we have to attempt to understand it, right?

Date: 2004-01-09 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darklites.livejournal.com
Ha ha, I think I have read waaay too many of these theories. (I remember reading one about how the 7 'challenges' the Trio faced in PS/SS symbolised each of the seven books, too!) But this one seems quite well-researched. Still...

I'm having trouble with Harry's "hesitation" after Ron says he has to sacrifice himself, that the essay seems to link to Harry's hesitation as it starts in fifth year. If this ("Harry's last move. We feel this move is symbolic of the last three books.") is true, why does Ron sacrificing himself & Hermione taking out the white bishop happen before it? There are a coule of links that seem a little shady to me as well (like the one about Ron's taking out two white pieces to Save H&Hr a reflection of the troll incident in PS/SS, which is really a team effort with him and Harry). Also, where is Snape?? He is a *very* important part of it all, but why does he not have a mentioned piece?

(Draco/Hermione is definitely not happening--although some kind of other connection isn't ruled out though--because I remember JKR's comment about not wanting to say because she "didn't want to ruin the fan sites" when someone asked her if there would be unusual pairings, specifically like D/Hr. And I always thought that it couldn't because due to POV issues it wouldn't have time to develop enough to be plausible.)

Ron=Dumbledore just hurts my brain (even without the time travel!). I agree with [livejournal.com profile] sistermagpie that it's depressing, and I like Ron too. But it feels like it's upending everything, and it just boggles the mind to the extent that it kind of alienates the reader. I am not sure if JKR will really go for this. Still, the thing that makes me hesitant is the interview where she said there was "one thing" that was "at the heart of it all" that no one had guessed yet (and would be a little annoyed if they did). I figured that had to do with the Prophecy and why Voldemort wanted to kill Harry and all, though. But this would be a big thing that nobody's guessed yet, hee. But yeah. I still don't really think so. I feel like this kind of thing will really take away from the whole point of the series, and shift the focus off of it too much. Right, I have talked myself out of believing it, lol. But it's a pretty good theory.

Date: 2004-01-10 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I really love it when people are more logical and deductive than me. I get to bask in the vicarious light of reason, eheheh. I liked what you said about the inconsistency in the chess-board timing, in other words. It's really weird that there's this much -room- for this sort of interpretation in the books to start with-- that there are these parallels, faulty as they are, everywhere. I think it's likely that JKR intended at least some of these things as Easter eggs or something, but probably she didn't seriously plot them out or anything. Heh.

And one would have to be almost insane to write Ron-as-Dumbledore, now that I think about it. Just. The whole idea. Yeah. It hurts my brain. Who'd write that? It's mad :>

I think the D/Hr idea was silly & there's clearly many other explanations possible there. To me, D/Hr is like... a reasoned-out "well, they have such-and-such conflicts that could be played on" ship. There's no active chemistry there, I guess, so it's all supposition and circumstantial evidence and over-interpreting of actions. Now I'm treading dangerously close to implying H/D is more canon, hehehe. ^^; I always thought that was silly. No slash is canon. Hmmm. But the relationship (of whatever sort) between H&D is more there in canon, I guess I mean. Heh. It wouldn't need the leap of sudden development to make happen. Well, it -would-, but of a different sort, not the getting-to-know-you sort. Eh. Whatever.

It's a pretty good theory, like a firework. But then it fizzles. For me, anyway :> Maybe I'm just easily bored...? :-?

Date: 2004-01-10 07:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahtales.livejournal.com
I KNOW OMG I WAS GRABBING HOLD OF LAS AND CLEPSYDRA AND BEN AND MICHELLE AT THE T00BGAE LAST NIGHT GOING 'RON IS! DUMBLEDORE!' and ahd, and I laughed so scornfully when I read the premise, but dude, dude! It *could* be true!
it so could be!
I'd be so terribly impressed with JKR.
Although I'd be sad, sad, terribly sad, because I love Ron now, and my Ron love was a painful and painstakingly acquired thing, and it would sadden me if he grew up to be such a gimboid.

Date: 2004-01-10 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
eheheehe!!!! <333333333
you are the cutest evah <3!
It's okay, man. Me & Sister M have figured out that it doesn't work, so you can go back to loving Ron now. It's safe :D :D

Ahahahah YOU SAID GIMBOID <3!
Also. You were entirely sober when you wrote that, I take it....? *giggles*

Date: 2004-01-12 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chresimos.livejournal.com
GIMBOID!!!

*is unhelpful echo*

Date: 2004-01-10 10:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jenparakeet.livejournal.com
ok, i typically am one to avoid reading predictions and speculations as to what is going to go down in the upcoming books, but this. . . this is incredible. and so entirely plausible, and it makes sense, and OMG SOCKS. the image of dumbledore-who-is-really-past-ron wishing for socks damn near breaks my heart.

i remember some prediction that i stoutheartedly wanted to avoid but wound up hearing anyway, much to my chagrin. . . having something to do with hermione's name and something of a love triangle. . . maybe this is how the "claiming" of the white bishop (aka draco) takes place? otherwise, that's the only part i'm having a nick of difficulty accepting readily. and if that is the case, oh no. i can see draco/hermione, but. . . harry/draco, man!!!

the only prediction i was holding to prior to this "enlightenment" was the parallel between harry & draco and james & snape. draco seems present enough in the series that he would play some small, key role towards the end. my guess was that the occurrence of certain events would lead to him being indebted to harry, much in the way snape became indebted to james for saving his life.

. . . and now the word "indebted" is instigating all sorts of x-rated scenarios in my brain. oh dear.

*runs off to gush at [livejournal.com profile] ixchelmala and [livejournal.com profile] lizardlaugh*

Date: 2004-01-10 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I actually really like the idea of Draco being indebted to Harry. Why the hell haven't more people written this??? Wah! Now I'm all "!!!" and I don't really care about Ron=Dumbledore anymore. I'm so flippant. And also easily distracted by H/D :D
And well, [livejournal.com profile] sistermagpie kind of debunked it ><;;

Date: 2004-01-12 05:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Actually I'm kind of partial to the possibility that Draco somehow saves Harry, thus paying Snape's debt. So Snape is free and Draco happy that he'd done something effective for someone he cared about. So Snape and Draco would end up sort of helping each other out of the bad place they live in now.:-)
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