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reenkaI know this is silly of me, but I'm just wondering....
Are there actually people who read the HP books and go, 'omg, Harry is such a wuss, especially compared to Draco Malfoy'.
You know, Harry. The one who always runs and hides and cries in Malfoy'sskirts leather trousers at first opportunity. Except for all those times he kicks his ass. But he doesn't really mean to do that, see, it's just an accident.
...And then they go on to write bottom!Harry/Draco.
Is that how it works?
Are there actually people who read the HP books and go, 'omg, Harry is such a wuss, especially compared to Draco Malfoy'.
You know, Harry. The one who always runs and hides and cries in Malfoy's
...And then they go on to write bottom!Harry/Draco.
Is that how it works?
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Date: 2005-09-04 07:12 pm (UTC)I sort of like the sheer god-awful factor, teehee.
I'll hold you to that!!
...Now if only I knew when Arbor Day was...
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Date: 2005-09-04 07:29 pm (UTC)You better not hold me to it! I'm only just writing Draco Malfoy's biography, if you can recall (probably not, haha). It's going to be pretty short, but then again...
...er. I was going to make some bad joke about Draco and sex, but obviously I shouldn't try to, like, make jokes today 'cause it's not working.
I think Arbor Day is in April? Or maybe that's Earth Day. I can see I'm going to have to figure this out! :P!
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Date: 2005-09-04 08:40 pm (UTC)Man, mocking Draco is fun :(( :((
AM I A BAD PERSON???! *laughs*
...Do I care?? *facepalm*
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Date: 2005-09-04 10:54 pm (UTC)YOU COULDN'T BE A BAD PERSON IF YOU TRIED. ♥
Where did this come from, babe?
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Date: 2005-09-05 01:29 am (UTC)I think I may not be bad, but somewhat insensitive to ickle Drakey's, er, needs. Ahem.
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Date: 2005-09-05 02:21 am (UTC)And as long as Harry is sensitive to Draco's needs, it's all good. The rest of us can be coldhearted bitches, as long as there's some lovin' going on! Hee.
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Date: 2005-09-05 02:39 am (UTC)I dunno if my Harry's sensitive to Draco's needs, though (uh... Harry... not that sensitive to -anyone's- needs... um...). Though I've just looked at this (http://www.artisticalley.org/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=8806&cat=500&sort=1) pic, so I'm all like, 'HARRY, EEEEEE!!1' and wanting
to write fic and so on :D :D :D It might help that I'm listening to Coldplay's Yellow and being all emo-yet-fluffy :D :D :D :D Yellow really fits Harry post-war, y'know :D :D :D *MELTS OMG* AAAAAAAHHHH YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT RIGHT NOW OMG IT IS KILLING ME :(( AHH :(( HAaaaarrryyyyyy... wah. No, like, listen to it and imagine it's Harry and you will KNOW WHAT I MEAN OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGGGGGGGggggg. YEAY.
Also Sectumsempra (http://www.deviantart.com/view/20984786/) = weirdly hot.
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Date: 2005-09-05 03:01 am (UTC)Well. Ideally Harry would be all sensitive, because then he'd be like, "Oh, Draco, my poor, tortured darling. I must attempt to mend your woe with tender care!" And we all know how hot that is. (Um. *runs away*) But in reality he is...er...Harry. Although the merits of simply being Harry mean that I love him unceasingly!
And the good thing about Yellow (besides that it's fucking AWESOME) is that I don't even have to put it on in order to listen to it! :P I can hear it in my head, on cue! I can even hear a live version, if I want. (therefore: *listens*) Oh, Coldplay <333. And also, oh, Harry <333. I don't know if I have a post-war Harry song, but I have a post-HBP Harry song which is "Cast No Shadow" (which is by Oasis). So I listen to that and go OMG WANT TO WRITE FIC, so, like. I know what you mean about the song. And YES it is brilliant and wah. Now I want to read fic and that...just. Er. Never happens.
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Date: 2005-09-05 03:16 am (UTC)Haha, it's okay, I won't judge you if you like hurt/comfort though I might shun you... but only a little. I think I just don't like comfort...? I can't think of a character I'd like to see comforted, soothed or mothered or any of that. ^^;; But Draco especially, 'cause... well, 'cause the only types I like to see comforted would be the stiff-upper-lip types, and if (if!) Draco was like that, I could see it, but since he's not............
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Date: 2005-09-05 03:39 am (UTC)It makes me super emo when you say you don't want to read or write H/D anymore 'cause then I get all WHO WILL I TALK TO ABOUT IT NOW OMG. (See, I'm so selfish, BUT. REENA. Ahaha, I'll get over myself REALLY. :)!)
OMGZ NO I
hatehighly dislike hurt/comfort! I thought you knew what I was like :P! I was mocking it and I am a horrible, terrible person for doing so. I really am. Hee.no subject
Date: 2005-09-05 04:17 am (UTC)I ♥ Doves <3<3<3<3<3<3<3 Prolly my favorite newish band, musically. I know, I know, I don't get out much~:)) But you can tell I adore them because I have like, 29 songs by them & I'm on dialup. OMG `A House' :(( :(( :(( HARRYYYYyyyyyyyyyyy aahhhh he sounds so hurt and soft and full of regrets :(( *IS EMO OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG* AAAHHHHHHHHH FINALLY I GET POST-HBP HARRY AAHHHHHHH. *clings to him* My baby has to be all strong and lone-ranger and strong-sad-but-not-showing-it now because he has no room left to get angry or lose it, 'cause he has a job to do, and he has to protect the ones he loves, and it's just a straight line from here till the flipside of midnight, and. Even though he has Ron & Hermione but.
*dissolves into incoherence*
*DIESDIESDIESDIESDIES*
*...clearly has Harry-sized issues......*
`LOVE WILL TEAR US APART' IS SO IN THE TOP 3 OF MY H/D SONGS OMG!!1 The others I adore are just... a lot like it in theme~:) In this case, the title kinda sums it up, too :> I also like pretty much all violent lovesongs for H/D, like Linkin Park's With You (mmmmmmmmVIOLENCERAGELOSSOBSESSION) & Saliva's Always ('I see the blood all over your hands/ does it make you feel more like a man' = SECTUMSEMPRA BABY) & Garbage's #1 Crush, etcetc. But for less violence and more actually teenage-boy-angst there's always Fiona's The Way Things Are, hehehe. And then there's established-relationship!H/D like Ani's As Is and The Indigo Girls' Ghost.... God I'm obsessed with soundtrack-making once I start ^^;;
No one really writes H/D the way I really want it lately & HBP left me wanting gen (AND CANON) moreso than shippy fic so I'm all :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( and tired. But I still love them, especially when I look at stuff like this (http://www.livejournal.com/users/simmysim/261647.html) again, 'cause obsessed!Draco = my reason for shipping. ♥
(And now I have Always on repeat......must stop.......)
I think my taste for H/D is just... er... much more violent/rageful/intense than most (all??!) the rest of fandom, though thankfully JKR sees it similarly to me ;)) But yeah... when I see the cuteness, I melt, but when I hear the violent raging need, I'm like OMGYESWHEREHAVEYOUBEENALLMYLIFE. *sigh*
Love Will Tear Us Apart has a nice balance of catchy/bouncy/cute and ragefulviolentneedy, so ♥. Yeah. LIKE THIS, PEOPLE. LIKE THIS. Oh, sigh. It's not that I don't want happy endings... because I do... but that's just not the point, know? Pleasure and lust is the spice and understanding is the goal, but to me... to me, desperation and misunderstanding and frustration and obsession.... Can'tlivewithyoucan'tlivewithoutyou... you-complete-me-but-you-make-me-homicidal... why-can't-I-leave-you-even-though-I-want-to.... yeah. :)
Healthy!mature!H/D. MEH. Is for people who're... not me :)) Let's just say that. And HBP, with them both growing up... and Draco not seeming obsessed at all... and everyone seeming think H/D is manna from the sky now, it's so easy... and just, my frustration with no one writing it how I want it... all of that together, along with my sheer burn-out from 3 years of writing it, MY GOD HOW LONG CAN I DO THIS FOR, etc. But. I still love the insanity, just like in the bad 80s sitcoms.
Um. And I forgot! If I knew. About the h/c thing, I mean ^^;;
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Date: 2005-09-05 04:56 am (UTC)Doves are fantastic and I think I've talked with you before about them? Or if not, they just seem like a very Reena band, somehow. I don't know. :)
AND YES. That is post-HPB Harry to me, SO MUCH, the way you described him. ♥ ♥ ♥ I think it took me a while to..adjust, sort of, to all the stuff that was going on in HBP and the way he had to change and grow up, and I was so busy being heart-achey for him that I kind of forgot, well, it's HARRY, and I love him so much.
AHAHA, I think I kind of realized early on that, like, no one writes H/D the way I want ('cause I'm a horribly picky bitch?) so that's maybe why I stopped reading. I'm not sure, but. I think I basically got turned off by fic ages ago, even though I don't quite know when or why, and lately I've been all woeful 'cause I want to read something but. Just. There's nothing! (Well, I'm sure there is, but I wouldn't know since I haven't been looking :P!) I haven't read anything at all post-HBP and it'd be interesting to see how people's perspectives have changed, but, then again. Um. I might still be scared...? WHO KNOWS. :P
And I think there's a lot of room for the violent factor in H/D, still, even after HBP. I mean, I'm writing something now (or, um, trying to, as it's currently scaring me senseless) but. Yeah, like, the Sectumsempra bit in HBP, I...er...sort of thought was pretty hot, which. Clearly not many other people did! But then, I'm an original, and, like. AND YET. I STILL THINK IT'S HOT OKAY. :P
I don't know, I've never thought of Love Will Tear Us Apart as being bouncy & cute; more the needy bit. Like, I think it's so sad. I sort of "rediscovered" it last year, after not having heard it for several years, and I was all WAH for a long time after listening. I don't know, I think it's just that I associate the video with it, which makes me feel all sad and, just. Ian Curtis's voice, man! And! Joy Division were emo-before-there-was-an-emo. HOT. BUT YAY, it's so awesome that it's one of your H/D songs and, yes, #1 Crush is totally one of my H/D songs, too! It's our crazy cosmic soundtrack wavelength! :P!
I totally understand your burn-out and, dude, if you don't want to write it or read H/D, you totally, totally shouldn't feel obligated to. I'll be woeful not being able to talk about it as much with you, but! Clearly we are cut out to talk about greater things! :)! And more than that, you totally deserve/need time away from the sheer madness. Just throw me a life raft before you leave, or else I'll be stuck out here in the middle of the craziness with no escape! :P
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Date: 2005-09-05 05:16 am (UTC)Yeah, I'm getting to that 'but it's HARRY' point with HBP!Harry too, though really I forgave JKR for leaving out the Sirius stuff even while reading... though it messed with most of my own characterizations. Prolly I'd have figured it out myself if I wrote more plotty fic where Harry needed to deal with stuff happening... and stuff. If you want the one plotty H/D I've heard good things about, try `Finer Than Spring (http://www.livejournal.com/~lashajayne/490.html)'-- tell me how it goes, I guess...??
And it's not that the lyrics of Love Will Tear Us Apart are bouncy, but the music itself isn't violent/loud like the other songs I listed, and it has a bouncy beat, y'know? And I believe I mentioned this, but I'm so with you on Sectumsempra being hot... but then I'm... uh... different, well all know that. ^^;; But at least I'm not alone! :D! I was sort of in a daze while reading it... like, 'omg, I did not just read that... omg o_0', though I was already dazed and reeling from the rest of the book. I was like 'omg *grabs another chocolate*' the whole time hehehe :D
Haha, even when I'm totally burnt out on H/D, some people are still fun to talk to about it :D 'Cause I never leave any interest entirely behind, y'know, and some people one just keeps talking about stuff with even when you're officially 'through'... and like, I still have my novella-in-progress, y'know :> But I like the bit about being cut out for... pickles? 'Cause I like me some pickles and I can't lie....
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Date: 2005-09-05 05:33 am (UTC)though really I forgave JKR for leaving out the Sirius stuff even while reading
OMG PLS NOT TO MENTION THAT THANK YOU. I'm still very angsty! Especially, like, the part where Dumbledore and Harry were in the broom closet, or whatever, outside the Weasley's, and I was like, PLEASE CRY HARRY OKAY. So sad. :(
I'll maybe try to read that one? I mean, um. Now that I've said I want to read fic, I'm kind of scared to, somehow. Which probably makes no sense. But thanks!
Ah, I see what you mean, about the music. It does have this deceptively bouncy sort of beat, not really happy, but like, yeah, I could bop my head to this. And then the lyrics are SHEER WOE. That's part of the draw! Or not! :P
See, I knew you'd understand about the Sectumsempra. IT IS REALLY REALLY HOT. SO HOT. Perhaps even hotter than Draco mashing Harry's nose but I'm not sure! I completely had to read that part twice over because I was all, WHAT NOW? OMG WHAAAT. And then I maybe giggled a little after I finished gaping, but I can't really recall. :P
I'm glad to hear you haven't given up on your novella, then. :) I'll be so happy for you when you've finished it.
Sure, we can talk about pickles. Why not. Or we could talk about not-pickles, because Did You Know that if you put cucumbers and mustard on a sandwich, it tastes the same as pickles! Little known fact! :P
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Date: 2005-09-05 05:58 am (UTC)I can totally now see Harry playing all this angsty modern Britrock as he goes on a roadtrip while Ron & Hermione are off doing research together... and he's on his own, right, that day, and the sun's shining harshly 'cause it's the end of November and he has to use Muggle means of transport 'cause he's trying to lay low and also ascertain the damage Voldy's doing by himself, and the leaves are blowing by the road and he thinks of Sirius and Dumbledore because it's so quiet and there's nothing else, and he looks like this (http://www.livejournal.com/users/gredandfeorge/71534.html), omg :((
...And he thinks of what will be left after the war, because he's alone and there's nothing to do but think and drive and remember, and he doesn't even notice that he's crying... and he can't imagine his life, afterwards, but he thinks of coming back to Grimmauld Place and getting Sirius' things in order.... And he thinks he'll draw up a will and leave everything to Ron and the Weasleys in case he dies.... And he'll tell Ron not to mess things up with Hermione, and he'll tell Ginny to just go on and not think about him and he'll say he's had a great adventure and he wouldn't have done it any other way, because this way he's been with them..... But then he'd smile, because he knows he'll be okay as long as they're with him... he doesn't need to worry, he just has a job to do.... And then he'd look up at the fading orange sun and up at the hill, where a lone house stood... and the dust would billow behind him as he drove faster and round the bend and he's gone....
The being scared to read makes total sense-- that's how I feel, ahahaha. If you want pre-HBP but guaranteed lovely slow-build and friendship and issues, read `Eclipse (http://www.schnoogle.com/authorLinks/PhoenixSong/Eclipse/)', which is like, the only H/D that's really -worked- for me in ages. Though no violent!sex. Woe. :((
...Now I really wanna try that, with the mustard & cucumbers. Good to know! :>
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Date: 2005-09-05 06:21 am (UTC)LISTEN TO IT A LOT. AND WRITE. When you have time, obviously! *attempts to coerce you omg*
Oh, my Harry. *sigh* It's funny, 'cause...I'm usually never more inspired to write Harry fic and/or H/D than when I'm talking to you. :D!
Besides all the Oasis and Doves stuff, I also see Harry as being an Elbow bloke. And also Thirteen Senses. And all the very moody/emotional great stuff that's coming out of the UK right now, 'cause clearly he's modern and hip! Or not. Ahahaha, really he's just a nerd, but. Ah, ♥.
I've heard about that fic before, and. I mean, I feel like I should read it, 'cause people are talking about it, and saying good things. But. I don't know. I'm really so lame. I'm all, must read fic! No, am far too angsty! I just need to, like, get a life this week and stop being so retarded and, you know, read fic if I'm in the mood to read fic, and. STOP BEING SO RETARDED. :P
You should try it! I mean, as it's so outrageously appetizing, I know. :P
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Date: 2005-09-05 06:45 am (UTC)But I can't like, break him up with Ginny to give him Draco or something, that's not what I'm talking about. I think, like... it would be a mistake he could make, because Draco draws him out, not to the happiness but to the pain, to the guilt and regret and the things he's used to, the paranoia and... competitiveness, his youth, y'know, and he knew what was what back then, but then he had to-- had to grow up and realize he was wrong, but I think he'd miss that... before. When he could look at Draco and just be angry and just not know about him having his own problems... I don't think Harry would really want to know... so if Malfoy obliged him, if he regressed too... then Harry could make that mistake, and leave the comfort/security/happiness of Ginny for the sharpness and the anger and the fists and wands and kissing too hard and leaving too early. And he'd feel so awful and it'd eat him up, but he'd be addicted to the pale skin and the bruises he leaves and the look in Malfoy's eyes, like he never forgave him, like none of the revelations and ceasefires have ever mattered, because he still hates him, still hisses insults at him, except they sound so broken and wrong, like a record with hitches in it, but they keep saying it, keep doing it because they have no other language, no other way to communicate....
Um. ^^;;;;; ahahahahahah I SHOULD STOP WITH THE RUFUS WAINWRIGHT BEFORE MY EMO BLOWS UP THE WORLD :))
I'm happy I inspire you, otherwise this'd be way too
masturbatorysad ^^;;;