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It's only been a few days, and I'm already having HBP fandom moodswings, I think. Avoid, Reena. Avoid. And yet, so hard to constantly remain vigilant.


Okay, what I'm talking about is the unavoidable bitching about the latest canon & the renewed shipping wars and so on; I realize I've actually done some gloating myself at points, and now I sort of feel sickened of literally all ships (besides ones me & [livejournal.com profile] addictedkitten made up yesterday-- that's sacred) and tired already. Meh.

There's only this icon to make me feel better:
    R/Hr? If -sexual tension- was canon, Harry and Ron would be snogging by book 4. Snape and McGonagall would have four kids, and Voldemort would be -shagging Dumbledore-. Get over it.

Man. I LOVE MY FANON SHIP.
    I like subtext. As subtext.

I mean, while there are H/D vibes in the latest book, there are also Snape/Draco vibes, Harry/Snape vibes, Dumbledore/Voldemort vibes, Harry/Ron/Hermione vibes-- even Harry/Blaise & Blaise/Ginny vibes if you squint. None of these I consider to be 'really there' outside hints built upon by the reader's imagination, nothing close to being likely to happen. Just because there is subtext in the mind of a particular group of readers, it doesn't mean it's at all objective. There are many possible readings of any text, and god, I'm now tempted to make the obvious post where I show how there's nothing sexual about Harry's feelings about Draco or vice versa. Obsession doesn't have to be sexual; I mean, it often is, but even so, that connection in one's subconscious has a dramatic and storytelling use staying in the dark unconscious mind. We are driven as much by the things we're unaware of within us as the things that are obvious, that are conscious desires.

Suddenly, I kind of like the idea of all the possibilities for attraction that we never do realize within us... That's where the Oedipal stuff comes from, isn't it; it's very much what's most formative and driving within us, right?

I don't even think the archetypal roots behind Harry/Ginny (canon) and Harry/Draco (fanon) are that different; they both play on the complementary yin-yang attraction thing, but they serve different functions for Harry. I could make the case that his reactions to Draco are much more tangled up with all sorts of things he doesn't admit to himself, that's the flipside to his reaction to and attraction to the Weasleys, say. Harry can't look away from what disturbs and discomforts him. He can't look away, he has to -investigate-. He wants to figure out what Draco's doing so that he knows what to expect; so that he's not jumping at shadows even more than he is.

This is really not most people's idea of what romantic attraction feels like, in real life, so no wonder Harry doesn't want to kiss Draco in book 6 instead of Ginny. His relationship with his own repressed fears and worries and dark obsessions is much deeper, more conflicted, much much less consciously sexual.

I now know how the Remus/Sirius shippers who had people accusing them of believing it's canon feel :(( H/D is not canon :(( I like it that way :(( H/Hr was never canon either, whether or not R/Hr was; throwing a shitfit that it's not just makes me wanna never talk to another HP fan again :((

Fandom is apparently bad for my health. I should just hole up & write my poor fic (in which Draco's not a DE till after 6th year, interview canon bedamned) & dabble in Blaise/Ginny, which is omgsohot, and also indulge my newfound affection for Theodore & Zacharias (together). Man. So easy to lose sight of my priorities. Wah.
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On a happy note, this photo is proof every blond teenage boy that looks remotely haughty makes me think of Draco. What am I saying, every blond boy makes me think of Draco, period. ><;;



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EDIT - H/D really is the submarine of lurve. Wow. All my rambling for nothing.
    EDIT #2 -
...Having read this, as well as every single comment every H/Hr-er has made on the petition to JKR (...), I've decided-- who cares?

To gloat is to be human. I'm gonna gloat away, if y'all don't mind.

Date: 2005-07-23 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marplish.livejournal.com
He's pretty too- *pets*
:D
it's okay, angsting is... wait, whatever... not good. Wish you could write fic, make us all SUPER HAPPY.

*greeds*

still-not-Frog

Date: 2005-07-23 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
hehe :D Am writing fic :D :D

Ginny/Blaise, the new black :D :D :D

Date: 2005-07-23 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marplish.livejournal.com
*headdesks*
where all the new shiny H/D?. Aw fuggit, I have no handle on H/D right now. Like you said, it's in the book. Gotta get over it and be sneaky ship again.

But Ginny/Blaise? ebil. Maybe you can turn Blaise back into a white girl. who passes.

Date: 2005-07-23 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Well, haha, I think there are people writing it other than me, and I've not even closely been following. I know [livejournal.com profile] hackthis and [livejournal.com profile] emmagrant01 and [livejournal.com profile] pingviini wrote HBP H/D stuff which... um, didn't excite me but excited other people :-? H/D just... is good as canon subtext in my head; though I'll finish my H/D novella, oh yes I will. Someday. Verily.

I love my sneaky ship, and I also love that it's got this ambiguous relationship to canon-- both flirting with it and avoiding too much intersection, if y'know what I mean. It's so right & so wrong, and wouldn't work without being both. I dunno.

Hahahah Ginny/Blaise = TEH HOTTTtt!!1 I WILL CONVERT YOU!!1 >:O

Date: 2005-07-23 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marplish.livejournal.com
the fic is NOT happening, grrr....

but het? het? ebil ebil person. I will not read het, unless it's Harry/Hermione where they plot to kill Ron. then Harry kidnaps Draco and uses him for lots of nummy non-con smex in the other bedroom while keeping it up with Hermione

wah, I miss fandom.

Date: 2005-07-23 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
If it makes you feel better, it's Ginny/Blaise but also Blaise/Theodore/Zacharias, Theodore/Zacharias, Zacharias/most of Hogwarts, Zacharias/Ginny, Ginny/Pansy, and possibly Ginny/Luna. And H/D in cameo :D :D
Harry/Hermione makes me cry. :( As does fandom :P Then again, I always get a bit violent-minded when you directly oppose H/D to absolutely any ship, het or not :))

Date: 2005-07-23 03:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marplish.livejournal.com
Definitely looks like the Hogwarts smexolympics have started early. Ginny/Zacharias should be a pretty good match.

and never read Harry/Hermione before, but just want to write it now (if my password wasn't locked) just because...

besides, the rotten brats aren't interested in each other anymore. Harry!obsession still has to sink in with me. I'm too used to obsessed little Draco.

*am slow*

Date: 2005-07-23 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
HEE!! YES!! I do think I should mention that all the Olympicsing is really [livejournal.com profile] addictedkitten's fault, not mine. I just pushed for Ginny/Pansy :D :D And Zacharias is just a slut who gives oral sex to anybody. I'm too blinded with bitchy-ass!Ginny/Blaise to care much for Ginny for anyone else right now, but I see the Zacharias/Ginny possibilities, actually. 'Course, Ginny's a ho also :D :D So it all works out.
Me, I'm just not big on Hermione!sex or comfortable relationships (like, H.M.S Harmony-- their own ship name-- pretty much sums up why I don't like the ship). Hee, the Ginny/Blaise thing is 'cause I see them at each other's throats v. easily.


Haha, Harry was always paranoid-obsessed, always overreacting to Malfoy & actually paying him too much attention, except in OoTP where he was too distracted by his angest & pane. Haha, though I'm not at all convinced Draco's not still obsessed & wanks to Potter whenever he can't help himself. He's just kind of overwhelmed by other things the way Harry was in OoTP. Not that I'm bursting with the need to read/write H/D, but there's pretty much nothing canon could do to make me stop seeing it in my head :> Even if I see lots of other things too. Except H/Hr, which just makes me cry, as I said :>

Date: 2005-07-23 10:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Zacharias/Ginny is the only Ginny ship I could get behind.

Given that Harry seemed unobsessed at the end of OOTP and then there was HBP, you can make the case that Draco (who seems unobsessed now) will be obsessed later (after his angst and pane is over, or maybe back to be all about Potter). Hope Harry will return it, because they have the worst timing ever.

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Date: 2005-07-23 10:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Theodore is Draco's. They sniggered together, they love each other. Omg, now Draco's housemates have a semi-personality and I can make him shag them.

Yay Theodore was not the Draco-oppressed secretly-good Slytherin who was only waiting for Harry to welcome him in his big Gryffindor arms. *pumps fist* *gloats*

Date: 2005-07-23 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Ron should have angry sex with Hermione, realise they work sexually but not romantically, and then go back to Lavender. *nods* In the meanwhile, Ginny is kidnapped by Voldemort disguised as Tom and remember who her first love really was. This would be a good fic.

Date: 2005-07-23 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Me, I think H/D is one of the least likely ships to work long-term, so it's a bit of a 'don't throw stones in glass houses' thing to me. But then, I like H/D -and- R/Hr -because- I think the idea of measuring relationships by their longevity isn't necessarily the point of romantic love. And by 'necessarily' I mean, 'I really never thought it was the point at all' ^^;

Date: 2005-07-23 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I think... ahaha, well, first, I think we shouldn't think about such things, but Ron and Hermione like, know each other, whereas Harry's and Draco's relationship is all different in which, don't make me sound like a pompous arse, but he's his little Boy Other, and that's my last word on this.

Date: 2005-07-23 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Just because Draco's his Other doesn't mean they'll last in the real world, y'know.

Date: 2005-07-23 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Oh, and I didn't mean R/Hermione sucks or won't work or sucks because it won't work, just that it's not my thing.

I am back to my fantasies where Ron and Hermione have all sorts of dirty sex (except not it's quest-sex) and at some point they meet Malfoy and go like, mmmh, threesome, mmmh, palatable, and start shagging him together and then Harry bursts in and... yeah.

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H/D IS A SUBMARINE!!1

Date: 2005-07-23 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
BEST. PIC. EVAR!!1 (http://www.livejournal.com/users/miints/50115.html)

Re: H/D IS A SUBMARINE!!1

Date: 2005-07-23 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marplish.livejournal.com
hee hee- that pretty much summed it up - I think miints was pissed reading HBP.
:D

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Date: 2005-07-23 03:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
it's sort of hilarious because I loved HBP but I still love submarine!H/D 'cause I likes my subtext ...subby :D :D

Date: 2005-07-23 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
I want the new shiny Snape/Draco man. I mean, I always knew the H/D would take a while to get going, while we figure out how to make the fics angsty-yet-still-hot-and-vaguely-believable, but Snaco is like insta-sex after HBP.

Date: 2005-07-23 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] balfrog.livejournal.com
yes, that must be the bridge... was just thinking, I can't do nuthin but threesomes. This one's begging for a Snape/Draco/Harry.

:D

Date: 2005-07-23 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
*goes to hide in bunker from deluge of S/D, and takes her H/D with her*

Date: 2005-07-23 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
S/D is like this hurt/comfort fandom nuke waiting to explode.

brain...not...function...

Date: 2005-07-23 11:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
Snape/Draco is the Slytherin equivalent of post-OotP Remus/Harry. :D

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Date: 2005-07-23 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
You say that like it's a good thing. *shudders & runs away*

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Date: 2005-07-23 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU GEL?! *shakes* Teacher/favoured-student sex is hoooottttt like hot hot things that are hot. Especially if said teacher is the stuffy-controlled type, and the student is a bit on the slutty side.

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