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It's only been a few days, and I'm already having HBP fandom moodswings, I think. Avoid, Reena. Avoid. And yet, so hard to constantly remain vigilant.


Okay, what I'm talking about is the unavoidable bitching about the latest canon & the renewed shipping wars and so on; I realize I've actually done some gloating myself at points, and now I sort of feel sickened of literally all ships (besides ones me & [livejournal.com profile] addictedkitten made up yesterday-- that's sacred) and tired already. Meh.

There's only this icon to make me feel better:
    R/Hr? If -sexual tension- was canon, Harry and Ron would be snogging by book 4. Snape and McGonagall would have four kids, and Voldemort would be -shagging Dumbledore-. Get over it.

Man. I LOVE MY FANON SHIP.
    I like subtext. As subtext.

I mean, while there are H/D vibes in the latest book, there are also Snape/Draco vibes, Harry/Snape vibes, Dumbledore/Voldemort vibes, Harry/Ron/Hermione vibes-- even Harry/Blaise & Blaise/Ginny vibes if you squint. None of these I consider to be 'really there' outside hints built upon by the reader's imagination, nothing close to being likely to happen. Just because there is subtext in the mind of a particular group of readers, it doesn't mean it's at all objective. There are many possible readings of any text, and god, I'm now tempted to make the obvious post where I show how there's nothing sexual about Harry's feelings about Draco or vice versa. Obsession doesn't have to be sexual; I mean, it often is, but even so, that connection in one's subconscious has a dramatic and storytelling use staying in the dark unconscious mind. We are driven as much by the things we're unaware of within us as the things that are obvious, that are conscious desires.

Suddenly, I kind of like the idea of all the possibilities for attraction that we never do realize within us... That's where the Oedipal stuff comes from, isn't it; it's very much what's most formative and driving within us, right?

I don't even think the archetypal roots behind Harry/Ginny (canon) and Harry/Draco (fanon) are that different; they both play on the complementary yin-yang attraction thing, but they serve different functions for Harry. I could make the case that his reactions to Draco are much more tangled up with all sorts of things he doesn't admit to himself, that's the flipside to his reaction to and attraction to the Weasleys, say. Harry can't look away from what disturbs and discomforts him. He can't look away, he has to -investigate-. He wants to figure out what Draco's doing so that he knows what to expect; so that he's not jumping at shadows even more than he is.

This is really not most people's idea of what romantic attraction feels like, in real life, so no wonder Harry doesn't want to kiss Draco in book 6 instead of Ginny. His relationship with his own repressed fears and worries and dark obsessions is much deeper, more conflicted, much much less consciously sexual.

I now know how the Remus/Sirius shippers who had people accusing them of believing it's canon feel :(( H/D is not canon :(( I like it that way :(( H/Hr was never canon either, whether or not R/Hr was; throwing a shitfit that it's not just makes me wanna never talk to another HP fan again :((

Fandom is apparently bad for my health. I should just hole up & write my poor fic (in which Draco's not a DE till after 6th year, interview canon bedamned) & dabble in Blaise/Ginny, which is omgsohot, and also indulge my newfound affection for Theodore & Zacharias (together). Man. So easy to lose sight of my priorities. Wah.
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On a happy note, this photo is proof every blond teenage boy that looks remotely haughty makes me think of Draco. What am I saying, every blond boy makes me think of Draco, period. ><;;



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EDIT - H/D really is the submarine of lurve. Wow. All my rambling for nothing.
    EDIT #2 -
...Having read this, as well as every single comment every H/Hr-er has made on the petition to JKR (...), I've decided-- who cares?

To gloat is to be human. I'm gonna gloat away, if y'all don't mind.

Date: 2005-07-23 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
Interview canon is like movie canon - it isn't.

But anyway, *pats* I just kind of feel like going "LALALALALA" and sticking my fingers in my ears and pretending that most of the non-Slytherin parts of HBP don't exist and that someone infected the whole of fandom with some sort of weird virus I haven't caught yet. I even tried to re-read it last night, and realised that when you actually skip whole chapters because A) they were shit and b) you remember them too easily it's probably proof that you didn't like the book and you should give it to your friend who's been hanging out for it for a week.

Date: 2005-07-23 02:11 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
OMG, all of this is so totally my response to the book. LALALALALA!!

Date: 2005-07-23 03:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
...y'mean there was non-Slytherin stuff in the book?? :D

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Date: 2005-07-23 10:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
My biggest LALALALA now is a SPIDERMAN LALALALA...

Date: 2005-07-23 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
So it's like... um, Draco's not a DE in actual canon, right?? *isn't totally sure* Well, I don't remember so he's not. ^^;;

Hahah, the Slytherin parts of fandom scare me too, a lot times. OMG I AM SO ALONE & MISUNDERSTOOD, JUST LIKE DRACO :(( :(( :D :D
...I don't think rereading books right after finishing them lends itself to much excitement anyway :-? Me, I never reread anything, so what do I know. However, I definitely never reread the whole thing, just my favorite parts. I think that's normal, not necessarily a sign of dislike-- all by itself :D But then, I will always be a fandom weirdo in that OoTP remains my favorite book, followed by GoF & HBP & PoA kinda vying for attention.

Date: 2005-07-23 04:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
Oh no, Draco's a DE in book canon. :D He ain't Voldemort's bitch for nothin'.

OMG I AM SO ALONE & MISUNDERSTOOD, JUST LIKE DRACO :((

OMG I WILL BE YOUR MOANING MYRTLE REENKA!!!1one *comforting ghost-gropespats*

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Date: 2005-07-23 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I think he is a DE but not a DE... like Bellatrix or his Dad or whatever. It's like, in the beginning other than the threats he is the brat who wants to prove he has a big dick -- I just can't see the other DEs considering him their comrade. The Mark is just a red-herring, it's not important whether it's there or not. Especially cos Draco's motivations? So not blood purity or world domination or something that macroscopic.

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Date: 2005-07-23 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
Edit: Jonathan Rhys Myers is Draco. HAUGHTY TO THE SHIZZLE MO FIZZLE x INFINITY

Date: 2005-07-23 02:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marplish.livejournal.com
I agree *1000000 (nice cheekbones, check; sneer, check)- and In Emperor's Wife, he's even blond.

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not-(frogslayr)

Date: 2005-07-23 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
no love for my photo :((

*has even more fandom angst* :))

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H/D IS A SUBMARINE!!1

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Date: 2005-07-23 10:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Macaulay Culkin is Draco. :(

Date: 2005-07-23 05:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cercaluna.livejournal.com
Oh, Reena, is he wearing leather pants (?) and one sock? *dies*

Date: 2005-07-23 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I feel Harry has just torn off the other sock with his teeth >:D :D :D :D
Yeah, my shiplurve is back, baby. Didja miss it?? ahahah.

Also, I want obnoxious Ron/Hermione & Harry/Ginny icons to like, inflame people and proclaim my canon-bitchiness far & wide!!
...but then I realize that might actually attract attention (bad), and go back to looking for half-nekkid Draco pics ^^;

Date: 2005-07-23 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thehighbrow.livejournal.com
Awesome essay. Have saved to Memories.

By the way, did you make the sexual-tension icon?

Date: 2005-07-23 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Hehe, thanks! :>
And no, I didn't make that, but um.... was lax & forgot who did. Sorry! :>

Hear, hear!

Date: 2005-07-23 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aki-hoshi.livejournal.com
From a convo with one of my H/Hr friends...

Her: I've given up the fight. H/Hr will never be canon; it's officially unofficial, or whatever. This book or the next one, R/Hr will happen. -shrugs- but I'll still have my fan fiction lol.

Me: Exactly. Us D/H shippers feel the same way. Like I told you before, we already knew it would never be canon, so we were never really disappointed.

That's how I feel about it, and I'm honestly exasperated that a lot of H/Hr shippers are so up-in-arms about R/Hr. (It's not like there weren't tons of other shippers that weren't disappointed...I mean, just think about how Blaise Zabini-involved fanfiction is going to change, now that we know what he looks like! [And I'm sure the H/G shippers were quite happy there, for a while...])

That icon is so right-on. I sometimes think that we get so involved in our own little shipping universes while waiting for a book to come out, that regardless of where we got our 'evidence' from, which we claim as canon, what we're really doing is just forcing the canon to appear in the way we want. And hence, fanon is born. So, it has it's ups and it's downs; it's angels and it's demons, but it's something we'll always have. Even after book seven, and all is said and done. There will be enough people unsatisfied with the ending, that they'll write their own, as so many have done so brilliantly already.

-sigh- Okay, I think I've rambled enough. ^_^

ta ta!

Rae

Date: 2005-07-23 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
It's funny, 'cause even though I was going on about the glory of fanon (sort of), I've grown sick of it, too, 'cause none of it post-OoTP compared to the book & I think I'm bitter :> So I myself prefer canon over fanon, if anything 'cause I've grown tired of always wanting things from the books that JKR may or may not give. I just want to accept them & move on.

Well, there'll probably be a couple more H/D fics from me before the end, though, just to go out with a bang :>

Date: 2005-07-23 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I don't even think the archetypal roots behind Harry/Ginny (canon) and Harry/Draco (fanon) are that different; they both play on the complementary yin-yang attraction thing, but they serve different functions for Harry. I could make the case that his reactions to Draco are much more tangled up with all sorts of things he doesn't admit to himself, that's the flipside to his reaction to and attraction to the Weasleys, say. Harry can't look away from what disturbs and discomforts him. He can't look away, he has to -investigate-. He wants to figure out what Draco's doing so that he knows what to expect; so that he's not jumping at shadows even more than he is.

! I like this. It's what I was trying to say these past nights except in my wanky way. Though, I don't think people are saying H/D is canon? I mean, more than as a joke. Maybe they say their relationship ( + things that could be taken as subtext) is the strong kind you'd need to launch a romance, if a gay romance could ever happen?

Date: 2005-07-23 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Well, that's what I meant about H/G not being contradictory with H/D, since one is canon & one is fanon. Even if you put them on the same fanon playing field, I'd say they don't contradict (like R/D & H/D do, for instance), because they do serve different functions, like they were different sides of the moon or something.

Date: 2005-07-23 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I actually find them highly contradicting, but that's a wank for another day. Why do R/D and H/D contradict? They both play on a different type of Draco, if that's what you meant. R/D is not so much with the meta, at least in my mind. Also, not so much with the hatred. It's like, two pretty ordinary guys having a beer.

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Date: 2005-07-23 11:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
I thought you might like this, BTW.

Image

Date: 2005-07-23 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
HEE!!

...THOUGH I LOVE MY CANON SHIPS TOO :)) :))

I got over my guilt over the H/Hr-ers and am fully prepared to gloat again, w00t! >:D

...except for Remus/Tonks & Bill/Fleur & Molly/Arthur & etc, which could happily go on existing where I can't see ^^;;

Date: 2005-07-23 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
Dude, out of all the het in HBP, Bill/Fleur was like, perfect. Though that might just be because I am now a Fleur fangirl and everything, what, with the way she handed the Weasley's collective arse to them on a plate and all. ♥ That girl is awesome.

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Date: 2005-07-23 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellabelle.livejournal.com
Deep calming breaths, darling. Or something, I don't know. Fandom, oh fandom, you sure are a crazy bitch.

AHAHAHA THAT PICTURE! BECAUSE! Is he wearing a headband? HOT. Or maybe his hair is just cut really weird. That wouldn't be nearly as cool, though!

Date: 2005-07-23 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Haha, yeah ^^; It's funny, actually, how crazy, until it gets too close-up and then I just have to run & hide. It's better now, though. Possibly 'cause I got distracted with pretty boys >:D :D

And like... there's a headband if you want there to be a headband :-?
Though I suspect he has a bowl haircut, sort of like if Crabbe took a Draco Polyjuice potion. Um. Okay, have to scrub my brain now -.-

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