[too busy writing your tragedy]
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reenkaWhenever I feel angsty, I think about H/D. It's like... I could always make cute pointless posts, but somehow I'd rather read manga instead. But when it comes to pointless philosophizing on the nature of nothing & make-believe sex, I'm never quite too exhausted. Man. I should start actually watching TV so I can write fic about it or something but dude, it's TV. I'd have to leave the computer. It's... in the other room. You know how it is. No, actually TV makes me feel a little too brain-dead, like... cracked-out but not enough.
I was actually messing about trying to write a post about how flexible I think things could theoretically be with this uke/seme and/or top/bottom business, but then I realized I don't care, because if it was relevant, then I wouldn't be interested anymore. Like, if you can fit someone in a box, they're not the sort of character I want to think too much about (unless it's a very pretty box that has sweets in it... of the Reena's Stereotypical Sex Object variety). I think for me it's like... I don't like for anything to be absolutely guarranteed, totally certain. Any dynamic that doesn't change seems stagnant to me as a reader, anyway... but that's a personal preference thing.
I'm currently in love with this manga called 'I Won't Be Your Stepping Stone', and dude. Dude. Uncertainty, obsession, aggression, frustration, rejection, possession, molestation, crazed need and utter bastards-- all the good stuff, none of the fat! It's the story I always go for: sex-obsessed (read: desperate yet repressed) overthinking (yet really stupid) arrogant (read: insecure) bastard meets match in fiesty, impulsive free-spirited type who can give as good as he gets. Ahhh, sweet obsession. The scary thing is, this reminds me of some fanon!H/D I've read. o_0 That's sort of... disturbing now.
I think I've largely been in fandom to read fanfic, yeah, but it's not because I like the characters. I mean, I may or may not like certain characters on a personal level, but this doesn't quite have to do with whether I compulsively seek out fic about them. To be more precise, I need to deeply obsessed with the theme I feel like a certain character represents in order to be constantly driven to read (but especially write) about it. I mean, there are definite patterns in the types of characters I feel most drawn to, but it's not that I admire them at all-- like, I definitely have never admired Draco, and Draco's been pretty much the reason I got into fandom and kept reading fic.
It just occurred to me that that's at least partly why I've been feeling a disconnect with the community aspect of things now that the 'old-style' fic is all but gone. There are still people who love Draco & Harry and Harry/Draco, but I don't identify with them.... I don't love Draco, and if I did, I wouldn't need to share it with anyone (like, I don't need to share my feelings on Harry with anyone, since they're just kind of there). I'm not a fan of him as a character or anything; it's just that he's got this connection to some ideals in my head... for the longest time, I envisioned Draco as the endless quintessential Seeker-- one who seeks, searches, needs something desperately in life. See, Harry actually attains things in the end-- it's Draco who's driven, and purely by base emotion-- no higher ideals, no distracting uber-quest, nothing but raw emotion. And somehow I get the feeling all the actual fans aren't in it for the 'watch Draco want things he can't have' theme bit. It doesn't matter if he fails, because life's not about whether you win or lose-- it's about trying; about always seeking the next horizon, always pursuing your dream, your obsession, your best destiny.
I just love this unquenchable, endless (eternal?) active pursuit of what you need-- and I love that ideal of soul-deep need. That concept that if you want, you do everything you can to take, because need is everything. And of course I adore conflict (in fiction); the bigger the obstacles in front of a character, the better! I mean, on a gut level I don't understand those people who want romance (...or life) to be easy. Because what good is anything if it's easy? How would you appreciate it if it came too naturally?
On some level, I don't want the desired thing to ever actually be obtained-- I don't know if I want Draco to be content, because if he has what he wants, he bores me as a character, but it goes beyond that-- once obtained, the desired thing in general is no longer attractive to me. I mean, theoretically I want that to be possible on the horizon, yeah-- but always on the horizon, at the very edge of the world where the ocean drops off into heaven. I want that horizon to always, always recede, so that he (my archetypical Seeker) could always seek it. I mean, this is way beyond Draco & Harry-- this is how I see life, the universe & everything, pretty much. It's a process of wanting and needing and never quite satisfying that greed which drives us, but attaining happiness in merely the living, the day-to-day conflicts and joys and changes, the tiny victories and the commonplace beauties.
This is a painful destiny I envision, isn't it-- and it's a painful reality quite often, too. But that's what makes it beautiful, isn't it? That pain, that prickle that wells up the drop of blood, that thorn on the rose. We can, none of us, ever quite touch each other. There is always language in the way, always misunderstandings, missed signals, crossed wires, different expectations, ruined hopes, and baggage, baggage, baggage. The future is waiting for us, waiting to swallow and not spit back out again, because-- well, because there's no way back. No way into the past, no way to cross the same river, no way to return, not even to ourselves.
EDIT - I think I see H/D as both negative & positive in its effects-- they kinda go together in my head.... I can never decide which way it's really supposed to go, in the end-- because it's really like there -can't- be an ending in my meta vision, I guess. I didn't mean to focus so much on the hopelessness & negativity-- it's both hopeless and hopeful, both raw & vital as blood and hazy and untouchable as smoke. Always dancing on the edge, knives out and hearts never safe.
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Also: I've found Lililicious, which is a manga scanlation group only for femslash! Yeay!
Random: I've just watched the first 30 seconds of the opening to Bleach, and the main character's this grumpy spiky-redhead dude that reminds me of Kyou, and I think I'm already in love... or lust... or something <3
I was actually messing about trying to write a post about how flexible I think things could theoretically be with this uke/seme and/or top/bottom business, but then I realized I don't care, because if it was relevant, then I wouldn't be interested anymore. Like, if you can fit someone in a box, they're not the sort of character I want to think too much about (unless it's a very pretty box that has sweets in it... of the Reena's Stereotypical Sex Object variety). I think for me it's like... I don't like for anything to be absolutely guarranteed, totally certain. Any dynamic that doesn't change seems stagnant to me as a reader, anyway... but that's a personal preference thing.
I'm currently in love with this manga called 'I Won't Be Your Stepping Stone', and dude. Dude. Uncertainty, obsession, aggression, frustration, rejection, possession, molestation, crazed need and utter bastards-- all the good stuff, none of the fat! It's the story I always go for: sex-obsessed (read: desperate yet repressed) overthinking (yet really stupid) arrogant (read: insecure) bastard meets match in fiesty, impulsive free-spirited type who can give as good as he gets. Ahhh, sweet obsession. The scary thing is, this reminds me of some fanon!H/D I've read. o_0 That's sort of... disturbing now.
I think I've largely been in fandom to read fanfic, yeah, but it's not because I like the characters. I mean, I may or may not like certain characters on a personal level, but this doesn't quite have to do with whether I compulsively seek out fic about them. To be more precise, I need to deeply obsessed with the theme I feel like a certain character represents in order to be constantly driven to read (but especially write) about it. I mean, there are definite patterns in the types of characters I feel most drawn to, but it's not that I admire them at all-- like, I definitely have never admired Draco, and Draco's been pretty much the reason I got into fandom and kept reading fic.
It just occurred to me that that's at least partly why I've been feeling a disconnect with the community aspect of things now that the 'old-style' fic is all but gone. There are still people who love Draco & Harry and Harry/Draco, but I don't identify with them.... I don't love Draco, and if I did, I wouldn't need to share it with anyone (like, I don't need to share my feelings on Harry with anyone, since they're just kind of there). I'm not a fan of him as a character or anything; it's just that he's got this connection to some ideals in my head... for the longest time, I envisioned Draco as the endless quintessential Seeker-- one who seeks, searches, needs something desperately in life. See, Harry actually attains things in the end-- it's Draco who's driven, and purely by base emotion-- no higher ideals, no distracting uber-quest, nothing but raw emotion. And somehow I get the feeling all the actual fans aren't in it for the 'watch Draco want things he can't have' theme bit. It doesn't matter if he fails, because life's not about whether you win or lose-- it's about trying; about always seeking the next horizon, always pursuing your dream, your obsession, your best destiny.
I just love this unquenchable, endless (eternal?) active pursuit of what you need-- and I love that ideal of soul-deep need. That concept that if you want, you do everything you can to take, because need is everything. And of course I adore conflict (in fiction); the bigger the obstacles in front of a character, the better! I mean, on a gut level I don't understand those people who want romance (...or life) to be easy. Because what good is anything if it's easy? How would you appreciate it if it came too naturally?
On some level, I don't want the desired thing to ever actually be obtained-- I don't know if I want Draco to be content, because if he has what he wants, he bores me as a character, but it goes beyond that-- once obtained, the desired thing in general is no longer attractive to me. I mean, theoretically I want that to be possible on the horizon, yeah-- but always on the horizon, at the very edge of the world where the ocean drops off into heaven. I want that horizon to always, always recede, so that he (my archetypical Seeker) could always seek it. I mean, this is way beyond Draco & Harry-- this is how I see life, the universe & everything, pretty much. It's a process of wanting and needing and never quite satisfying that greed which drives us, but attaining happiness in merely the living, the day-to-day conflicts and joys and changes, the tiny victories and the commonplace beauties.
This is a painful destiny I envision, isn't it-- and it's a painful reality quite often, too. But that's what makes it beautiful, isn't it? That pain, that prickle that wells up the drop of blood, that thorn on the rose. We can, none of us, ever quite touch each other. There is always language in the way, always misunderstandings, missed signals, crossed wires, different expectations, ruined hopes, and baggage, baggage, baggage. The future is waiting for us, waiting to swallow and not spit back out again, because-- well, because there's no way back. No way into the past, no way to cross the same river, no way to return, not even to ourselves.
EDIT - I think I see H/D as both negative & positive in its effects-- they kinda go together in my head.... I can never decide which way it's really supposed to go, in the end-- because it's really like there -can't- be an ending in my meta vision, I guess. I didn't mean to focus so much on the hopelessness & negativity-- it's both hopeless and hopeful, both raw & vital as blood and hazy and untouchable as smoke. Always dancing on the edge, knives out and hearts never safe.
~~
Also: I've found Lililicious, which is a manga scanlation group only for femslash! Yeay!
Random: I've just watched the first 30 seconds of the opening to Bleach, and the main character's this grumpy spiky-redhead dude that reminds me of Kyou, and I think I'm already in love... or lust... or something <3
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Date: 2005-02-10 12:28 am (UTC)Preach it, sista.
I Won't Be Your Stepping Stone
Heh, that manga cracks me up like fuck.
Pah.
And somehow I get the feeling all the actual fans aren't in it for the 'watch Draco want things he can't have' theme bit.
That's one of the uber-best kinds of Draco. I love that Draco! It's very canon too, because in canon, Draco never gets what he wants in the end, even if he is a VIP to the story and Harry's actions.
*goes back to watching Harry & Draco's bastard lovechildren fight in animeland*
Word up on the shoujo ai. Oohhh, they have Rose of Versailles. *loffs that show* AND ONIISAMA-E! *dances like the sad little fangirl she is*
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Date: 2005-02-10 05:07 am (UTC)*attempts to clumsily type on broken keyboard at you*
It just occurred to me that that's at least partly why I've been feeling a disconnect with the community aspect of things now that the 'old-style' fic is all but gone. There are still people who love Draco & Harry and Harry/Draco, but I don't identify with them....
dude. i realized this exact same thing last night while wondering why I liked certain shippers but found them really grating for some reason, and it was because, I realised, 1/2 the people on my flist are new-school (post-ootp) shippers who see the ship completely differently from me. And it does make me feel disonected, and I only just realized it last night, so i was sort of stunned to see you say what i've been thinking.
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Date: 2005-02-10 09:59 am (UTC)All of which is really just a setup for me to ask where I can find this manga because now I'm curious.
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Date: 2005-02-10 01:41 pm (UTC)No you shouldn't, because right now all TV is is Valentine's Day ads which are reminding me that I am going to DIE ALONE. Not that I am bitter. Sometimes I'm accused of it, but more likely I'm just hungover. Or something. Yeah, anyway. But see, you aren't missing out on anything cause I don't really think there's that much stuff on TV right now that's inspiring enough to want to write fic about. But maybe that's just me...being apathetic & lazy, haha.
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Date: 2005-02-13 01:54 am (UTC)You don't know me, but I believe we both think we are an inseparable part of the single thing which makes up all that exists and is better described as nothing. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I just barely stopped myself from deleting the above. I'm weird and can't help it. I question my weirdness, however, and find I am in truth disturbingly normal.
I recently added 'the fool' to my ever-changing LJ interests and found your journal. I've added you as a friend. I'd tell you why, but I finally figured out how causation completes the illusion of spacetime, binding being in form. It happened, but it doesn't mean anything. :P
I just posted a quotation concerning Tom Bombadil (http://www.livejournal.com/users/slackananda/169649.html) to my journal. A link and a comment later and suddenly, my entire interpretation of Tolkien's theme became complete, 'in my noodle' at least. I thought you would be particularly interested in this as the avatar of non-dualism.
I find commenting on LJ has grown ever more stagnant. I am here (on LJ) to express, not to argue, though I love upfront criticism or refutation. I love randomness and enjoy using commenting as free association. I never expect a comment in my journal and I never expect replies to any comments I leave.
Random: I am interested in online interactive fiction collaboration, particularly dialogue creation through LJ.
Discussion point: (optional, of course, but included for convenience.) Have you been frustrated by the LJ Memories feature being unavailable? I have. I was using it to collect links for all the themed posts I've been planning....
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Date: 2005-02-16 10:54 am (UTC)That sounds wise.
But when it comes to pointless philosophizing on the nature of nothing & make-believe sex, I'm never quite too exhausted.
Isn't most 'real' life striving after rewards that exist in the future, a product of imagination? It's not a question of putting down real life, but realizing that most real satisfaction is imagined, imagined satisfaction is better because it doesn't disappoint in the process of fading. Also, it is less costly to change avatars than buy a new suit, even off the rack. :P
I should start actually watching TV so I can write fic about it or something but dude, it's TV.
I have a love/hate relationship with TV. I don't watch much now, but I go through my phases. Generally, I watch TV as an expression of self-loathing, at least when I really get into it, but it's been a few years. I do enjoy the Simpsons, however. There's a great book called The Simpsons and Philosophy which is amazingly profound, serious and funny all at the same time. I like trying to connect more 'lofty' ideas with popular culture. It helps me feel less pretentious.
I'm not hyper-verbal right now. Just saying hi, really. :P
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