(het issues; move along)
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reenkaI think, if anything, I have an anti-self-insertion issue, when it comes to het in HP: meaning maybe I take it too far. I mean, the boy I "like" the most is Harry, right, and pairing either of the two girls I might possibly identify with-- Hermione and Luna-- just feels wrong to me. Then again, I've only ever wanted Harry with whatever girl struck his fancy (i.e., Cho), but I never really felt like I myself supported a Harry-het pairing. It's like... I can see Harry being friends with a girl (obviously), but he's just so... stunted, I guess? In regards to emotionality and mushy stuff and like... yeah.
I guess I want to deal with his rage issues and insecurities and the martyr complex as well as the need for companionship & understanding he would supposedly get from a balanced, reasonable girl (like Hermione & Luna in different ways). I want Harry to be with whoever he really wants and has chemistry/sparkage with-- and he just doesn't have sparkage with Hermione (or Luna).
Still, I also think it's got something to do with them being "like" me, at least insofar as I feel like people ship these pairings in part because they -do- identify with Hermione, say. She's like... a "good girl", and shouldn't be wasted. She's also right there and Harry can -talk- to her. And... it's like the male/femaleness provides that essential -distance- between people I'd talked about (that seems necessary for romance). It's like, well, of -course- they could have sexual tension, too-- they're a boy and girl, aren't they?
I know it's immature-- I know-- but I will laugh after Ron & Hermione get together and the shipping debates all end (at last!). No more ship debates!! No more angst!! Oh, that hallowed day.
I could totally see a modern, 20-something romance between a girl "like" Hermione (overworking herself all the time at the office) and a boy "like" Harry (lost and somewhat directionless, but determined and sincere). It seems like an English sort of thing, too, actually-- to have people who'd stay together not out of some Grand Passion but because it's -comfortable- and it -works- and why go through the bother of messing with a good thing? Ron could be seen as an unstable character-- someone who could easily succumb to bitterness and drown under the expectations of the world, unlike the prodigious achieving of Harry (through luck and wild talent) and Hermione (through prodigious effort and will). Arthur Weasley is probably doing a lot better in the Potterverse than he "should", as poor as he is.
I think I also dislike the idea of couples that "work"-- that "make sense". Maybe it's some sort of latent resentment or something (in that I both often ship and fall for implausible characters myself). I mean, if you don't drive each other mad, where's the fun of it? Like, if everything falls into place and you make sense together for whatever reason-- what is it that makes you -have- to do it, to take it to the next level? Why do the two of you -need- to have dirty monkey sex, right now?
I think what's obvious here is that I'm stuck on a certain ideal of love and am being unreasonable-- I'm priviledging romantic passionate love over companionate love or the other zillion or so types. I'm sure plenty of people have temperaments that don't -work- with the idea of having to tear someone's clothes off right this second (thus, you could say all H/D fic is really meta-equivalent to veela!Draco fic, being so centered on passion and the magnetic animal attraction of it all). Most people probably aren't as focused on these pre-teen ideals as I am-- a good thing. Sometimes it puzzles me as to how one could both ship H/D and H/Hr, since they're nearly completely opposite types of relationships-- but maybe it's just that I'm being rather more single-minded.
I would say, for example, that Hermione's temperament doesn't work (necessarily) with wild-eyed passionate love, while Luna's does, but not with Harry (who needs someone to light his fire, at least in my head). I kind of like Hermione with Ron because I see Hermione resisting, and this intrigues me. I think it would be unusual for Hermione to have someone push -her- in some way, and have her give in-- 'cause it's almost certain that Ron is the one who'd initiate a relationship. Hermione is bossy, yes, but in love... I think she'd be rather conservative-- the type to hedge her bets. So what we have is a classic Victorian-type romance, except Hermione is being "the man"-- rational and emotionally repressed and domineering-- while Ron is being "the woman"-- wildly emotional and enthusiastic and a bit clumsy, sort of heroic in a bumbling, self-sacrificing way. It's like Jane Eyre, except... not.
And in this scenario, the H/Hr is the relationship that gets thrown over, because of course Hermione (the man) is generally in a comfortable, non-emotionally-demanding relationship to start with, which keeps them content but hardly happy. Harry is the beautiful, also emotionally repressed "other woman" (ahem) who needs to find someone brilliant to light her fire. Someone... unpredictable. Someone destabilizing in a magical sort of way that's actually stabilizing. Yes.
Clearly I've read one too many romance novel in my day. Woe.
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Also. Um. Is it like, the next step of bottom!Draco lurv to write H/D with female!Draco? The wrongness mostly comes from it -not- bothering me. Too much. ^^;
I guess I want to deal with his rage issues and insecurities and the martyr complex as well as the need for companionship & understanding he would supposedly get from a balanced, reasonable girl (like Hermione & Luna in different ways). I want Harry to be with whoever he really wants and has chemistry/sparkage with-- and he just doesn't have sparkage with Hermione (or Luna).
Still, I also think it's got something to do with them being "like" me, at least insofar as I feel like people ship these pairings in part because they -do- identify with Hermione, say. She's like... a "good girl", and shouldn't be wasted. She's also right there and Harry can -talk- to her. And... it's like the male/femaleness provides that essential -distance- between people I'd talked about (that seems necessary for romance). It's like, well, of -course- they could have sexual tension, too-- they're a boy and girl, aren't they?
I know it's immature-- I know-- but I will laugh after Ron & Hermione get together and the shipping debates all end (at last!). No more ship debates!! No more angst!! Oh, that hallowed day.
I could totally see a modern, 20-something romance between a girl "like" Hermione (overworking herself all the time at the office) and a boy "like" Harry (lost and somewhat directionless, but determined and sincere). It seems like an English sort of thing, too, actually-- to have people who'd stay together not out of some Grand Passion but because it's -comfortable- and it -works- and why go through the bother of messing with a good thing? Ron could be seen as an unstable character-- someone who could easily succumb to bitterness and drown under the expectations of the world, unlike the prodigious achieving of Harry (through luck and wild talent) and Hermione (through prodigious effort and will). Arthur Weasley is probably doing a lot better in the Potterverse than he "should", as poor as he is.
I think I also dislike the idea of couples that "work"-- that "make sense". Maybe it's some sort of latent resentment or something (in that I both often ship and fall for implausible characters myself). I mean, if you don't drive each other mad, where's the fun of it? Like, if everything falls into place and you make sense together for whatever reason-- what is it that makes you -have- to do it, to take it to the next level? Why do the two of you -need- to have dirty monkey sex, right now?
I think what's obvious here is that I'm stuck on a certain ideal of love and am being unreasonable-- I'm priviledging romantic passionate love over companionate love or the other zillion or so types. I'm sure plenty of people have temperaments that don't -work- with the idea of having to tear someone's clothes off right this second (thus, you could say all H/D fic is really meta-equivalent to veela!Draco fic, being so centered on passion and the magnetic animal attraction of it all). Most people probably aren't as focused on these pre-teen ideals as I am-- a good thing. Sometimes it puzzles me as to how one could both ship H/D and H/Hr, since they're nearly completely opposite types of relationships-- but maybe it's just that I'm being rather more single-minded.
I would say, for example, that Hermione's temperament doesn't work (necessarily) with wild-eyed passionate love, while Luna's does, but not with Harry (who needs someone to light his fire, at least in my head). I kind of like Hermione with Ron because I see Hermione resisting, and this intrigues me. I think it would be unusual for Hermione to have someone push -her- in some way, and have her give in-- 'cause it's almost certain that Ron is the one who'd initiate a relationship. Hermione is bossy, yes, but in love... I think she'd be rather conservative-- the type to hedge her bets. So what we have is a classic Victorian-type romance, except Hermione is being "the man"-- rational and emotionally repressed and domineering-- while Ron is being "the woman"-- wildly emotional and enthusiastic and a bit clumsy, sort of heroic in a bumbling, self-sacrificing way. It's like Jane Eyre, except... not.
And in this scenario, the H/Hr is the relationship that gets thrown over, because of course Hermione (the man) is generally in a comfortable, non-emotionally-demanding relationship to start with, which keeps them content but hardly happy. Harry is the beautiful, also emotionally repressed "other woman" (ahem) who needs to find someone brilliant to light her fire. Someone... unpredictable. Someone destabilizing in a magical sort of way that's actually stabilizing. Yes.
Clearly I've read one too many romance novel in my day. Woe.
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Also. Um. Is it like, the next step of bottom!Draco lurv to write H/D with female!Draco? The wrongness mostly comes from it -not- bothering me. Too much. ^^;
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First though, okay, QUIT HATING ON MY PAIRING BECAUSE I DON'T HATE ON YOURS EVEN THOUGH IT SUCKS. *shakes fist* Look, okay, I know that Ron has a crush on Hermione. This, as far as I'm concerned, is canon. He has a big stupid dorky crush on her. Fine. HOWEVER, I do not see it as being reciprocated. Maybe it was a little in fourth year. She was young and confused. By OotP you will just not sell me on that shit, though. Her and Ron just bicker, and not in a cute way, in an annoying way, in the way that two people bicker when one is feeling all stupid teenage boy towards the other and she's like, yeah, dude, I don't know how to tell you this, but no. And even Harry was like, both of you, shut the fuck up.
Meanwhile, Hermione and Harry are running around all teamed up and clutchy, protecting each other and all that, and it's clear they're the way to a really mature, happy relationship, and okay, maybe it's lame but I LIKE THAT, ALRIGHT. THEY DESERVE TO BE HAPPY WITH EACH OTHER, AND STABLE, AND STILL HAVE REALLY HOT SEX, WHICH THEY WOULD, BECAUSE YOU KNOW HERMIONE WOULD BE ALL, HARRY, I WAS THINKING WE SHOULD TRY THIS INTERESTING KINK, you know, and Harry would be like, yeah alright. Whereas Ron would be all confused and not think he was enough for her. So I guess I take issue with Ron's sexual inadequacy, because Hermione deserves better, and I think Harry would be good at sex, not just because I like to write porn, but because I think he has the sort of temperament to be very laid back and open-minded because he's not exactly the type to get on someone for being freaky or outside the norm or any of that crap.
And it could be passionate, okay. They can give each other exactly what they need, and it would be HOT, and interesting, and not like the boring ass way most H/Hr shippers seem to show their relationship. I mean, how hot could R/Hr be? They'd fucking kill each other! Ron would have no idea what to do! Hermione would be like, dammit Ronald, move like THIS, and Ron would get all insulted and boyish and Hermione would end up going to Harry who would get all embarrassed and unable to look Hermione in the way, especially when she was all "can you talk to him, Harry?" in this really sincere way, and anyway, my point is that I think I actually just plotted out a threesome fic, fuck.
I can't believe I'm arguing over something as stupid as supposed canon ships. wtf. HERMIONE AND HARRY WOULD HAVE BETTER SEX. THEY WIN, AND SO DO I. THE END.
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Date: 2004-06-15 10:09 pm (UTC)You = so cute when you're up in arms >:D :D!!
You're right though, ahaha. Ron and Hermione would totally have dorky, awkward "ouch, not -there-" type sex (for awhile at least); I can't believe I hadn't thought of that before!! AHAHAHAHA. Oh man, I'm still not converted (yeah right) but! I just realized what a dork-fest it would be. *dies laughing* I think in the end, I don't want to see Hermione sexually & I want to make Ron happy ('cause duuuude, Teh Ron!!1...and I am 12), and heheheh OMG YOU'RE RIGHT, and I forgot how I love your Hermione (I actually don't think I love anyone else's). <33333333333333333
I think "realistically" speaking, it's clear as day that JKR seems to feel surprised and flabbergasted at the H/Hr people and she says the pairing is "obvious" and H/Hr is more subtext than obvious. I mean, I think "romantic" teenage couples are supposed to like, not be supportive or sensitive and like, go hot-and-cold and the girl's -supposed- to be Not Interested so the boy can shape up & win her or whatever. But! I still think the way you see it is adorable :D :D heeeeeeee!! You're right though, I probably have a problem with how H/Hr-ers seem H/Hr more than I have a problem with H/Hr. This is why you should write sexeh!Hermione, to show everyone The Light >:D Right after you write veela!Draco, of course :> :> *chortles*
I shouldn't have allowed my distaste with the boring-ass way everyone waxes rhapsodic about the way Harry & Hermione are so much better 'cause Ron sucks to overwhelm me so much :> :> Heeeee! Clearly the One True Way is to compare sex techniques :D Plus, I don't get uptight about the asinine way a lot of people see H/D get to me, so I should know better, yes.
Did I mention how cutely righteous you were yet?
*big puppy eyes*
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Date: 2004-06-15 11:40 pm (UTC)I'd also like Ron happy (really!), but well, actually, if I think too much about Ron I start shipping the OT3 again. I honestly don't know what to do with Ron. I love him, but I don't know what to do with him, like a particularly entertaining trinket you have nowhere to display. He's a propellor hat at Saks Fifth Avenue, man.
I like to think that I do write sexy!Hermione, because that's what she is in my head and I like to think that carries into fic. Especially the porn epic. Where it's text.
If I was into obvious I'd be one of those people who are all *blink blink* but what do you mean ship other than textual canon ships? I do not understand this free will you speak of, vote Republican. Or something. That's why I can't love on hardcore H/Hr types either, because at some point I'm just like, but also Harry should hook up with all these other people, cos that would be hot and/or groovy.
Quit puppying at me or I'ma smack you, you fiend. I have to go to BED, dammit.
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Date: 2004-06-16 12:11 am (UTC)I can actually see OT3 except that no matter how I think about it, threesomes don't "work" in my head when it's got unequal balances. I think maybe I want things to "really work out" too much, but... yes. I love the propellor-hat thing. That was a stroke of sheer genius :D
See, see, that's why I like Ron with Hermione, 'cause she's so exacting and exploratory and curious and he's so rush-in-where-fools-fear-to-tread. I think I'm just perverse and enjoy seeing people butt heads among other things. Like, the fact that they don't -fit- is what appeals to me :> :> On the other hand, I don't tend to think of this from Hermione's pov, which... might be a problem. For a long while, though, I shipped H/D as my OTP and couldn't for the life of me figure out why Harry would -ever- want Draco. I think I'm still a bit like that, too ^^;;
Hardcore shippers scare me in any pairing, which is funny 'cause I'm so OTP-ish, heh. At least I'm not at all single-minded or ranty about it >:D :D!!
In my mind, though, Hermione would prolly give up on Ron soon after OoTP (regardless of whether Ron eventually gets her back) and goes and hooks up with someone like Krum (except they're in Hogwarts), who tells her she's pretty and isn't intimidated by her. Thus both Harry & Ron (but more Ron) get all jealous and seeing-her-in-a-new-light, but oh wait, that's ze Porn Epic :D :D
No one else writes a sexy!Hermione. It's an arid, arid desert out there, man :>
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Date: 2004-06-16 02:20 am (UTC)But yeah, there is such a thing as being quietly in love, and being comfortable with someone and them so in tune with you and knowing you so well that you can't imagine life without them. The sort of quiet love that doesn't have huge fights and rough fucks and break-ups every other day or so, or huge dramatics, but instead has the sort of love where you can look across at someone and know that they're laughing at the same joke as you, and you both know that each is thinking the guy talking is a jerk and what not. That kind of complete comfort where you can just talk for hours instead of having screaming matches.
Okay, so it isn't the 'grand passion' but I'd rather have someone I could spend my life with in quiet happiness and comfort instead of some whiney little brat who I have rough sex with when I'm not trying to kill him. Those sorts of relationships never work out.
So yeah, Harry and Hermione is more realistic and much more comfortable than Ron (who is a typical teenage guy and needs to do a lot of growing up) with Hermione.
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Date: 2004-06-16 10:22 am (UTC)I mean, personally I may or may not dislike 'comfortable romance' or whatever, but as I said in the post-- as far as I can see, -Harry- (not to mention Hermione) needs someone to light her fire. They have understanding already-- as friends. Why take it to the next level? There needs to be a reason, in terms of story if nothing else. These are -characters-. Why should they have sex? They already have a comfortable understanding and they'll already be around for one another for the rest of their lives (one guesses).
Does Harry need Hermione's easy-going comfort? I always thought Harry needed someone to challenge him; someone who could/would stand up to him; someone who -needed- him. I think his most intense emotional bonds at this point are to Sirius & Ron-- both of whom really need Harry (in different ways). Anyway, there's no set answer here, I'm just saying it doesn't work for me to think of it in totally abstract definition-of-romance terms or, even more so, in personal terms.
Everything I've seen coming from JKR implied she's -getting- to the R/Hr-- they're like... obvious, while H/Hr is subtext. JKR's always said the pairing she has in mind was pretty much blatant. Not that I think one 'should' ship the Obvious Thing (being a slasher), but... I'm just saying, this probably means Ron is getting to being more aggressive. He's got to build up his confidence, and that's been happening in OoTP.
Anyway, Harry's no prize. He's got Issues with a capital 'I' up the wazoo; rage issues and abandonment issues and martyr issues and emotional basketcase issues of every kind. It's hard to just see him as a normal, "nice" boy where Ron is an immature basketcase, 'cause compared to Harry, Ron's the picture of even-handedness and responsibility, man. Then again, my Harry is rather... uh... more volatile than most people's, though I think OoTP backs me up on this one >:D And as always, I can only operate by thinking what's best for Harry~:)
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Date: 2004-06-16 10:37 am (UTC)You know, Hr/H is one of those issues that have their own special place in my psychosis. I mean, it's not the pairing I dislike the most, but it's the one that goes (or rather, I perceive as going... mmh, more meta wankery) against most of my convinctions, whether they are philosophical or political or simple what I think good writing is. So I end up resenting it in a way I don't resent any of the ships I dislike... a bit like The Matrix. Makes you think: "Why do people like this? What went wrong?" Ahaha.
The baggage I can't separate from H/Hr as a concept: the idea that if BOY and FEMALE are close = MUST FUCK (sort of like the idea that DRACO = DRACO'S COCK) and the "the hero gets the girl" school of thought that's like, totally the nemesis of what I think is important about humans and their stories. Ron's not enough of a hero for supergirl? So even if supergirl and superboy have the chemistry of an overbearing mother and her rebellious child they have to get together cos it's so... healthy? Peaceful and soothing and calm and... who wants to read about that?
And, I don't even ship R/Hr. I'd prefer they all went their separate ways (romantically) because... well, the certainty that she'll end up with one of them is a clichè all of its own. But at least there's something that can be recognised as sexual, or romantic, with Ron and Hermione. It's not about compatibility. Compatibility makes for good conversations. Harry and Hermione support each other, and I always disliked the concept of supporting romance, I mean, if I wanted support I'd call my therapist, no? And you know, in the end I'll give it to you that it could work in real life, but it doesn't make for a good story. Because lack of conflict = sucky story. Well, at least, a story that'd give me cramps from boredom. I guess this is what my mother meant when she said tastes differ.
Comfortable romance...? What's that? I am comfortable with my socks.
I think I also dislike the idea of couples that "work"-- that "make sense". Maybe it's some sort of latent resentment or something (in that I both often ship and fall for implausible characters myself). I mean, if you don't drive each other mad, where's the fun of it
Yes! If logical romance is really the way of the future, why don't we all just put our data in some supercomputer and let it do the matches?
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Date: 2004-06-16 12:25 pm (UTC)I always thought it was hilarious how most shippers would claim that their couple is the most "reasonable". Plenty of people think that it makes total and complete (logical!) sense for H&D to get together, 'cause like, blah-blah The-Hero-And-His-Shadow blah :> :> I've also read a GW 1x2 fic where Duo & Heero were matched up by a computer. They're soooo compatible it -hurts- y'know :D
The sad thing is.....
I really believe that -.-
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Date: 2004-06-16 12:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-06-16 12:47 pm (UTC)YOU ARE SO EVAL, I HAVE NO WORDS FOR YOUUUUuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.
*pouts*
DAMMIT I HATE RELENA WITH THE FIERY PASSION OF A THOUSAND BLAZING SUNS!!1 AAAAAAARGH. My H/Hr issues are NOTHING, NOTHING to my 1xR issues, man, ahahahah. At least I can admit that H/Hr could work, y'know-- I refuse to see the appeal of 1xR. ACK THE EVIL, ACK. It's like Harry/Ginny with Harry being OoTP!Harry and Ginny still being CoS crushing!Ginny, aaack. And then like, Relena "grows up" and... and... no I can't be even remotely reasonable. I'm actually much more shippy in GW than I am in HP, 'cause I don't think there are as many serious "choices" and for Heero.
Maybe it's that the people who ship it usually piss me off with the whole idea that Relena is "good for him" and can redeem him from his hardened soldier's mindset. And even though they have all the passion of a flea & a fur coat, it's exciting because he's her knight in shining armor and her pet project all rolled into one. ACK EVIL ACK. It totally sets off the same alarms as the whole Harry's-love-redeems-Draco thing, thus turning him into nice, fanon!Draco. My issues with nice!Draco are NOTHING on my issues with nice!Heero. I mean, one could say he's not fit for human company (or a relationship) in the first place (not at 15 anyway), sure, but Relena wouldn't know what to do with him and they'd both feel guilty and feed his over-protective streak and dress him up to go to political functions and ACK.
Plus, goddamit but no one writes decent fics for anything but 1x2 in the GW fandom :D :D
...At first I thought you said 'Heero/Reena', and that was just really wrong, and I mean, I was like HOW DID YOU KNOW, ahahah. *COUGHS*
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Date: 2004-06-16 12:52 pm (UTC)(Heero is a big nelly bottom, too.)
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Date: 2004-06-16 01:02 pm (UTC)I am sticking to my guns because NO ONE WRITES IT THAT WAY SO :P
Plus I love Heero, man. And he doesn't love Relena "that way", so yeah. And I love Duo, so I want to give him Heero. And Relena could always go stalk Dorothy or something :>
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Date: 2004-06-16 01:13 pm (UTC)He's a psycho sociopath and she's a psycho egomaniac.
Doroty's too busy stalking Quatre to kill him again and again.
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Date: 2004-06-16 01:27 pm (UTC)Yeah, I know. It's a bit funny how people go like, 'well, he saved Duo's life when he should've killed him and then he punched him to protect him blah-blah'. *sigh* I like to think clearly they both (Heero & Duo) need some sort of therapy, and plenty of fanfics deal with that, buuuuut. I don't think Heero's necessarily just naturally sociopathic because he's been trained/brainwashed by Dr. J, hasn't he? I mean, that's the most plausible explanation I've come across. Maybe my mind's been eaten by fanfic. This is prolly true.
Anyway, post-war, he could start to unravel the whole soldier-mode thing and slowly begin to deactivate all those subroutines or whatever, though obviously it'd take time. I think the key to liking Heero is seeing him as a person who did what he felt he -had- to do, even though he hated it-- and even though he was fully aware, I think of what he was doing.
That's really the difference between Heero and a psychopath, and I think the series (as far as I can tell) really made a point of it-- that Heero -was- aware of the consequences of his actions, of the consequences of -war-, much more so than either Relena or the rest of the pilots. He's done the most damage but he's also carrying a lot of guilt on his shoulders.
Like, that whole thing with the little girl & the puppy and how that haunted him, the way he didn't want to fight any more than Quatre did, the way he collapsed in Relena's arms, saying he finally didn't have to kill anymore. I think the series went to pains to say, "well, this is a person who's been fighting his own personal desires for the 'greater good' as he saw it, all this time".
I think this is mostly because I tend to see the heroism in darkness whereas you just like the darkness unsheathed~:) I see Heero as sort of a tragic, semi-broken figure who learned to compromise his own integrity from a very young age (trained as an assassin since toddlerhood, etc), but even so that never completely eradicated his humanity (he didn't kill a lot of people he meant to kill, in the series; also, he went around offering his death to the families of his victims; not to mention that his very fascination with Relena is a sign of his yearning for some symbol/ideal of peace).
I mean, Duo is a much more naturally broken character, with his dual (heh) nature and the way he hides himself behind a mask and swallows up all the guilt and denies it. Whereas I actually don't think Heero intentionally hides things about himself from people-- he's just torn between the ideal of following his emotions & Doing What Has To Be Done. By the end of Endless Waltz, I definitely feel as if his choice was to follow his emotions and he's started to make peace with the whole idea of who he was as a soldier, and as a soldier that desired peace-- as seen through his conversation with Wufei, who didn't want to stop fighting.
Anyway, I can't be objective since I've read more 1x2 fic than is healthy for anyone, I'm sure :> :>
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Date: 2004-06-16 11:36 am (UTC)I like this thought, because although H/Hr might make sense together in a real world setting, Potterverse exists in literature ... it's entertainment. That's why it's more fun to read about someone falling for the wrong guy or girl and watch the sparks fly. If Harry lived in the real world, if he was your friend let's say, you would want him with someone grounded and sensible … a nice girl (or boy) like Hermione or maybe, Ginny. In fiction, it’s more fun to see him with Draco, or Snape, or Pansy, etc., because of the potential for drama. Alternatively, I don’t like the idea of Harry with Ron for the same reason. Now, Ron with Draco, that’s another story!
I also see potential for this dynamic with Harry and Luna, especially in canon. I can’t see her tolerating his episodes of martyrdom and self-centeredness. Because she’s a bit of a free spirit, I can see her being a bit kinky . I also agree with your feelings about Hr/R.
So, I guess I’m not against het pairings, just H/Hr and H/G.
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Date: 2004-06-16 12:11 pm (UTC)I'm probably too likely to over-identify with Luna to give an objective judgement on it, but my gut reaction is that they're just from different universes. That lack of sparkage as with H/Hr? ...Yeah. Then again, I can't bear to pair Luna with anyone, pretty much, except maybe Neville as a last resort. I don't think she's the type of girl who's interested in romance in school, but that is projection. I can't escape it totally though.
I guess what I'm saying is, generally good fiction comes from pairings suggesting themselves through pre-existing chemistry rather than them being either sensible or melodramatic, y'know :>