(het issues; move along)
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reenkaI think, if anything, I have an anti-self-insertion issue, when it comes to het in HP: meaning maybe I take it too far. I mean, the boy I "like" the most is Harry, right, and pairing either of the two girls I might possibly identify with-- Hermione and Luna-- just feels wrong to me. Then again, I've only ever wanted Harry with whatever girl struck his fancy (i.e., Cho), but I never really felt like I myself supported a Harry-het pairing. It's like... I can see Harry being friends with a girl (obviously), but he's just so... stunted, I guess? In regards to emotionality and mushy stuff and like... yeah.
I guess I want to deal with his rage issues and insecurities and the martyr complex as well as the need for companionship & understanding he would supposedly get from a balanced, reasonable girl (like Hermione & Luna in different ways). I want Harry to be with whoever he really wants and has chemistry/sparkage with-- and he just doesn't have sparkage with Hermione (or Luna).
Still, I also think it's got something to do with them being "like" me, at least insofar as I feel like people ship these pairings in part because they -do- identify with Hermione, say. She's like... a "good girl", and shouldn't be wasted. She's also right there and Harry can -talk- to her. And... it's like the male/femaleness provides that essential -distance- between people I'd talked about (that seems necessary for romance). It's like, well, of -course- they could have sexual tension, too-- they're a boy and girl, aren't they?
I know it's immature-- I know-- but I will laugh after Ron & Hermione get together and the shipping debates all end (at last!). No more ship debates!! No more angst!! Oh, that hallowed day.
I could totally see a modern, 20-something romance between a girl "like" Hermione (overworking herself all the time at the office) and a boy "like" Harry (lost and somewhat directionless, but determined and sincere). It seems like an English sort of thing, too, actually-- to have people who'd stay together not out of some Grand Passion but because it's -comfortable- and it -works- and why go through the bother of messing with a good thing? Ron could be seen as an unstable character-- someone who could easily succumb to bitterness and drown under the expectations of the world, unlike the prodigious achieving of Harry (through luck and wild talent) and Hermione (through prodigious effort and will). Arthur Weasley is probably doing a lot better in the Potterverse than he "should", as poor as he is.
I think I also dislike the idea of couples that "work"-- that "make sense". Maybe it's some sort of latent resentment or something (in that I both often ship and fall for implausible characters myself). I mean, if you don't drive each other mad, where's the fun of it? Like, if everything falls into place and you make sense together for whatever reason-- what is it that makes you -have- to do it, to take it to the next level? Why do the two of you -need- to have dirty monkey sex, right now?
I think what's obvious here is that I'm stuck on a certain ideal of love and am being unreasonable-- I'm priviledging romantic passionate love over companionate love or the other zillion or so types. I'm sure plenty of people have temperaments that don't -work- with the idea of having to tear someone's clothes off right this second (thus, you could say all H/D fic is really meta-equivalent to veela!Draco fic, being so centered on passion and the magnetic animal attraction of it all). Most people probably aren't as focused on these pre-teen ideals as I am-- a good thing. Sometimes it puzzles me as to how one could both ship H/D and H/Hr, since they're nearly completely opposite types of relationships-- but maybe it's just that I'm being rather more single-minded.
I would say, for example, that Hermione's temperament doesn't work (necessarily) with wild-eyed passionate love, while Luna's does, but not with Harry (who needs someone to light his fire, at least in my head). I kind of like Hermione with Ron because I see Hermione resisting, and this intrigues me. I think it would be unusual for Hermione to have someone push -her- in some way, and have her give in-- 'cause it's almost certain that Ron is the one who'd initiate a relationship. Hermione is bossy, yes, but in love... I think she'd be rather conservative-- the type to hedge her bets. So what we have is a classic Victorian-type romance, except Hermione is being "the man"-- rational and emotionally repressed and domineering-- while Ron is being "the woman"-- wildly emotional and enthusiastic and a bit clumsy, sort of heroic in a bumbling, self-sacrificing way. It's like Jane Eyre, except... not.
And in this scenario, the H/Hr is the relationship that gets thrown over, because of course Hermione (the man) is generally in a comfortable, non-emotionally-demanding relationship to start with, which keeps them content but hardly happy. Harry is the beautiful, also emotionally repressed "other woman" (ahem) who needs to find someone brilliant to light her fire. Someone... unpredictable. Someone destabilizing in a magical sort of way that's actually stabilizing. Yes.
Clearly I've read one too many romance novel in my day. Woe.
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Also. Um. Is it like, the next step of bottom!Draco lurv to write H/D with female!Draco? The wrongness mostly comes from it -not- bothering me. Too much. ^^;
I guess I want to deal with his rage issues and insecurities and the martyr complex as well as the need for companionship & understanding he would supposedly get from a balanced, reasonable girl (like Hermione & Luna in different ways). I want Harry to be with whoever he really wants and has chemistry/sparkage with-- and he just doesn't have sparkage with Hermione (or Luna).
Still, I also think it's got something to do with them being "like" me, at least insofar as I feel like people ship these pairings in part because they -do- identify with Hermione, say. She's like... a "good girl", and shouldn't be wasted. She's also right there and Harry can -talk- to her. And... it's like the male/femaleness provides that essential -distance- between people I'd talked about (that seems necessary for romance). It's like, well, of -course- they could have sexual tension, too-- they're a boy and girl, aren't they?
I know it's immature-- I know-- but I will laugh after Ron & Hermione get together and the shipping debates all end (at last!). No more ship debates!! No more angst!! Oh, that hallowed day.
I could totally see a modern, 20-something romance between a girl "like" Hermione (overworking herself all the time at the office) and a boy "like" Harry (lost and somewhat directionless, but determined and sincere). It seems like an English sort of thing, too, actually-- to have people who'd stay together not out of some Grand Passion but because it's -comfortable- and it -works- and why go through the bother of messing with a good thing? Ron could be seen as an unstable character-- someone who could easily succumb to bitterness and drown under the expectations of the world, unlike the prodigious achieving of Harry (through luck and wild talent) and Hermione (through prodigious effort and will). Arthur Weasley is probably doing a lot better in the Potterverse than he "should", as poor as he is.
I think I also dislike the idea of couples that "work"-- that "make sense". Maybe it's some sort of latent resentment or something (in that I both often ship and fall for implausible characters myself). I mean, if you don't drive each other mad, where's the fun of it? Like, if everything falls into place and you make sense together for whatever reason-- what is it that makes you -have- to do it, to take it to the next level? Why do the two of you -need- to have dirty monkey sex, right now?
I think what's obvious here is that I'm stuck on a certain ideal of love and am being unreasonable-- I'm priviledging romantic passionate love over companionate love or the other zillion or so types. I'm sure plenty of people have temperaments that don't -work- with the idea of having to tear someone's clothes off right this second (thus, you could say all H/D fic is really meta-equivalent to veela!Draco fic, being so centered on passion and the magnetic animal attraction of it all). Most people probably aren't as focused on these pre-teen ideals as I am-- a good thing. Sometimes it puzzles me as to how one could both ship H/D and H/Hr, since they're nearly completely opposite types of relationships-- but maybe it's just that I'm being rather more single-minded.
I would say, for example, that Hermione's temperament doesn't work (necessarily) with wild-eyed passionate love, while Luna's does, but not with Harry (who needs someone to light his fire, at least in my head). I kind of like Hermione with Ron because I see Hermione resisting, and this intrigues me. I think it would be unusual for Hermione to have someone push -her- in some way, and have her give in-- 'cause it's almost certain that Ron is the one who'd initiate a relationship. Hermione is bossy, yes, but in love... I think she'd be rather conservative-- the type to hedge her bets. So what we have is a classic Victorian-type romance, except Hermione is being "the man"-- rational and emotionally repressed and domineering-- while Ron is being "the woman"-- wildly emotional and enthusiastic and a bit clumsy, sort of heroic in a bumbling, self-sacrificing way. It's like Jane Eyre, except... not.
And in this scenario, the H/Hr is the relationship that gets thrown over, because of course Hermione (the man) is generally in a comfortable, non-emotionally-demanding relationship to start with, which keeps them content but hardly happy. Harry is the beautiful, also emotionally repressed "other woman" (ahem) who needs to find someone brilliant to light her fire. Someone... unpredictable. Someone destabilizing in a magical sort of way that's actually stabilizing. Yes.
Clearly I've read one too many romance novel in my day. Woe.
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Also. Um. Is it like, the next step of bottom!Draco lurv to write H/D with female!Draco? The wrongness mostly comes from it -not- bothering me. Too much. ^^;
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Date: 2004-06-16 01:13 pm (UTC)He's a psycho sociopath and she's a psycho egomaniac.
Doroty's too busy stalking Quatre to kill him again and again.
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Date: 2004-06-16 01:27 pm (UTC)Yeah, I know. It's a bit funny how people go like, 'well, he saved Duo's life when he should've killed him and then he punched him to protect him blah-blah'. *sigh* I like to think clearly they both (Heero & Duo) need some sort of therapy, and plenty of fanfics deal with that, buuuuut. I don't think Heero's necessarily just naturally sociopathic because he's been trained/brainwashed by Dr. J, hasn't he? I mean, that's the most plausible explanation I've come across. Maybe my mind's been eaten by fanfic. This is prolly true.
Anyway, post-war, he could start to unravel the whole soldier-mode thing and slowly begin to deactivate all those subroutines or whatever, though obviously it'd take time. I think the key to liking Heero is seeing him as a person who did what he felt he -had- to do, even though he hated it-- and even though he was fully aware, I think of what he was doing.
That's really the difference between Heero and a psychopath, and I think the series (as far as I can tell) really made a point of it-- that Heero -was- aware of the consequences of his actions, of the consequences of -war-, much more so than either Relena or the rest of the pilots. He's done the most damage but he's also carrying a lot of guilt on his shoulders.
Like, that whole thing with the little girl & the puppy and how that haunted him, the way he didn't want to fight any more than Quatre did, the way he collapsed in Relena's arms, saying he finally didn't have to kill anymore. I think the series went to pains to say, "well, this is a person who's been fighting his own personal desires for the 'greater good' as he saw it, all this time".
I think this is mostly because I tend to see the heroism in darkness whereas you just like the darkness unsheathed~:) I see Heero as sort of a tragic, semi-broken figure who learned to compromise his own integrity from a very young age (trained as an assassin since toddlerhood, etc), but even so that never completely eradicated his humanity (he didn't kill a lot of people he meant to kill, in the series; also, he went around offering his death to the families of his victims; not to mention that his very fascination with Relena is a sign of his yearning for some symbol/ideal of peace).
I mean, Duo is a much more naturally broken character, with his dual (heh) nature and the way he hides himself behind a mask and swallows up all the guilt and denies it. Whereas I actually don't think Heero intentionally hides things about himself from people-- he's just torn between the ideal of following his emotions & Doing What Has To Be Done. By the end of Endless Waltz, I definitely feel as if his choice was to follow his emotions and he's started to make peace with the whole idea of who he was as a soldier, and as a soldier that desired peace-- as seen through his conversation with Wufei, who didn't want to stop fighting.
Anyway, I can't be objective since I've read more 1x2 fic than is healthy for anyone, I'm sure :> :>