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Reading through a (raw) Harry/Snape (and James/Snape) doujinshi, I realized what's been missing-- what's been holding me back from wholehearted Harry/Snape loff all this time. Yes.

...

...Bottom!Snape. Trouserless, still in his shirt with little schoolboy socks and boots, blushing(!!) as Harry owns his ass.

Oh Snape. Never knew you had it in ya.

I really, really especially laugh at enjoy the blushing.

Man. I love H/S (done right!) because it's so fucked up, but the bottom!Snape...ness just rackets it up another few notches, doesn't it? See, the best use for sexualizing a relationship in fic is like this-- it totally turns everything on its head while still illuminating core conflicts. Having Harry 'own Snape's ass' is beautiful, in other words, precisely because it's totally wrong (so wrong it's right! and it totally fulfills Snape's oh-so-sekrit desires while escalating his inner conflicts all over the place). Just like the pairing itself! Yessss :D

I really have the yaoi tendency for making the older teacher (and/or the cooler/more uptight one) the uke to thank here, and thank it I do :D
~~

Also: proof I can like bottom!Harry sometimes (rarely), and apparently only if [livejournal.com profile] ifyouweremine writes it (just add snark & resentment & obsession, then stir!) Ooooh, this one's Christmasy.... ♥

Date: 2005-12-19 10:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_inbetween_/
Lately all yaoi was boring cliche uke/seme, but I'd love more of this reversal you see.

Date: 2005-12-20 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Heheh you just have to keep looking (...and looking... and looking), but non-cliche stuff -is- Out There :D Especially if you follow several mangaka you trust. I mean, there's simply -so much- yaoi being produced, so of it isn't standart uke/seme cliche stuff. Some of the most popular titles aren't cliche, even... like, even one of the most popular (Haru wo Daiteita) is pretty balanced/equalized between the two of them. Though on the other hand, it's pretty cliche & soap-opera-ish in most other ways :>

Date: 2005-12-20 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_inbetween_/
Hm, well, ever since they started producing more yaoi, all the manga seem extremely boring and soap-opera-ish, and the last few I have not even finished, be it Love Mode or Kiss Me Teacher or any of the other. Wild Rock, which I had stupidly looked forward to for a year, is awful! Haru wo Daiteita might be like good old Fake, but I never saw it before.

Date: 2005-12-20 12:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Generally, you can't trust the really uber-popular ones (Wild Rock, Love Mode) to be good because they're more likely to be soap-opera-ish. But by -far-, they're not all like that-- there's really a huge amount of variety, you just have to get your hands dirty looking for it and finding authors you like. There's quite literally all flavors, and at -least- 10 mangaka who consistently produce intelligent, beautifully-drawn work (and some who consistently produce uke/seme switches). With Youka Nitta (Haru's mangaka), most of her stuff is drawn in a unique Nitta style, but isn't too groundbreaking subject-wise-- I just like her character dynamic in Haru. It's by no means the best of yaoi, though.

As far as 'groundbreaking', I'd say Motoni Modoru (Koi ga Bokura wo Yurusu Hani), Sadahiro Mika (Under Grand Hotel & most other things), Yamada Yugi (anything), Kawai Touko (anything), Shungiku Nakamura (Junjou Romantica), Tarako Kotobuki (Sex Pistols and pretty much anything else), Sakura Haiji (anything), Yamakami Riyu (anything), Sigiura Shiho (Koori no Mamono no Monogatari), Sumomo Yumeka (anything), Tohjoh Asami (anything longer than one-shot porn), and there's more, of course :>

Date: 2005-12-19 11:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
Haha, yes. See, if all Harry/Snape was like that, I'd totally be down with it. Alas, too much Seme!Snape. XD

Date: 2005-12-20 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I knooow. I think I've only ever read uke!Snape like, once. *sniffle* But it was pretty hot, 'cause like, he was ordering Harry to fuck him in the Slyth Common Room & Harry came too soon so he had to finger him to climax... I still remember it fondly, as you can see~:))

Date: 2005-12-20 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notrafficlights.livejournal.com
Heh. Well, there's an awful lot of James/Snape doujins around with uke!Snape, and I've seen a bit of Time Turner uke!Snape art around after HBP. But aside from that, there's not much.

Date: 2005-12-20 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Really though, Snape's such an uke in general, I feel :)) Anyone wound that tight just needs to let go all the way if he started to at all. Also, I always keep wondering if all the James/Snape doujins sort of exist in an AU where Lily never existed and James wasn't head over heels for her since like, 4th year or whatever.... *laughs* But that's my problem with -all- non-J/L James pairings. I really also wanna see some sort of delicious James/Snape+James/Lily+James/Sirius+Sirius/Remus+Sirius/Snape rhombus(??!) thing. Heh. I can't believe that actually works in my head (...it does, kinda...)

Date: 2005-12-19 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellabelle.livejournal.com
Bottom!Snape. Trouserless, still in his shirt with little schoolboy socks and boots, blushing(!!) as Harry owns his ass.
I am truly traumatized for life now. Except, freakishly, I am also intrigued. But mostly just traumatized, you see.

Why do people ask Really Stupid Questions?
That just made me really paranoid, ahahaha.

Date: 2005-12-20 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Ahh, but what would your fandom life be without periodic trauma--?? Isn't that what you ask yourself when you go H/D-fic trolling yet again?? Ahahah :P Though I guess the very purpose of H/S as I see it is to traumatize one (I mean, seriously, NEKKID SNAPE OKAY), and yet it's good for you. Builds strong muscle & protects against cavities! Etc! Yes. You're well on your way to health, I'm sure, so really you should thank me. :> And bottom!schoolboy-socks!Snape :D

...I took away that last bit and replaced it with a link to H/D porn (much more productive!) 'cause the person I meant isn't on my flist & it probably amuses only me while making unnamed numbers of others wonder if I'm sekritly thinking they've asked stupid questions. Whereas really, thank god no one on my flist is that stupid. Ha-HA. (I totally got that from you but now I can't stop -.-)

No, it was just a particular sort of stupid-- where the person isn't so much curious about something they don't know for real (that's fine) as asking a question that's in itself stupid, at least in context, y'know? Like saying 'why is the moon made of blue cheese?' seriously-- well, y'know, it's NOT, but moreover, WHY WOULD YOU ASK THAT??! Y'know? -.-; And it's even worse when the person has no ironic awareness and is basically like 'lalalala I AM SO DULL I CANNOT TELL THIS IS STUPID AND LAME LALALALALALALA..la...' and then they ignore all the more intelligent answers JUST BECAUSE CLEARLY INTELLIGENCE REPELS THEM. *sigh*

Date: 2005-12-20 03:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellabelle.livejournal.com
Listen, I stumble QUITE ACCIDENTALLY upon those fics, okay. It is not my FAULT. I mean, it just happens, and before I know it, I'm all up in that fic like nobody's business. Because CHAPTER SEVEN, man, CHAPTER SEVEN. Chapter seven's usually where they do it for the first time, right? Somebody ought to write some awesome porn and just call it CHAPTER SEVEN, YO. I'd read that shit for real. Although I must admit to occaaaaaaasionally reading the Snarry and not being wholly traumatized by it. This is clearly the result of my concussion and the hey-this-is-cool neurons getting mixed up with the oh-SNAP neurons. What can I say.

PORN, you said? Except. Uh. Bottom!Harry. Pls tell me it's not as traumatizing as it has always been to me in the past!
And as for the ha-HA thing, you gotta use that sparingly, right. It is a gift I have bestowed upon you with love and trust. It must be said with just the right amount of sarcasm and mockingness and yet still with the humor, always with the humor. That's how I do. Word.

I see what you mean about the stupid questions. I was going to tell you this AWESOME story about how the other day this one chick asked me a REALLY STUPID QUESTION but then I remembered I don't have one. Off the top of my head, at least. There's gotta be at least a million though, 'cause people ask some lame shit. Sure do.

Date: 2005-12-20 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Hahahah Chapter Seven. Almost as good as calling it 'The Good Parts Version', or maybe just 'The Good Parts'-- brevity is key to holding my people's attention, after all. Yes. I totally do believe you about the horrible fics that rope you in AGAINST YOUR WILL, it's just that you have a stronger stomach than I do and may accidentally not run away screaming at the first mention of Draco's oh-so toned abs... maybe. As for H/S, well, I haven't read much of any for -years-, but like... in the good old days, I liked to experiment. With porn. What else does one experiment with, anyway? And there was a lot of H/S, and I saw the land of plenty, and the Spirit of the Land, it spoke unto me, and it said, 'Reena, hearken to my call-- it is a fullsome, raging call of hormonal excitement, and so on and so forth'. And sometimes (rarely) there was actually good fic. But that is somehow not the point, for sometimes I cringe, verily, I cringe at the notion of Snape Nekkid (Omg), but at the same time, it's so Fucked Up and Wrong I find it oddly compelling.....Much like Draco/Dumbledore or say, my hidden love affair with Tom/Hagrid...

Um. Well, it really also depends, with those links, I mean-- just how much does bottom!Harry traumatize you and -why-. For me, they worked 'cause I always go for snark & desperate!Draco, whether he's top or bottom, as long as he's being needy and not all aloof and icy or whatever. I figure Harry can bottom if he wants to, but verily, verily DRACO MUST STILL SUFFER SOMEHOW, ahahah -.-;

Date: 2005-12-20 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahtales.livejournal.com
MY CHRIST REENA WARN ME THE NEXT TIME YOU DO THAT. OH JESUS MY EYES, MY EYES. I FEEL DELICATE TONIGHT. HOLY GOD.
*ill, ill, ill* HARRY/SNAPE REENA I HAD NO IDEA I FEEL SO BETRAYED.

Date: 2005-12-20 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
eheheheh Meep! Wibble! Sorrysorry! :> (I really thought everyone knew I liked me a little H/S when it's porn & nothing too romantic... er... *coughs* I mean, there's just so much of it -out there-, eventually it gets to you...! It's nae my fault, Cap'n, when it's gotta blow, it's GOTTA BLOW!!1)
...but anyway, er, yeah I'll cut it :>

...and btw!! As for Something Completely Different, I'm coming back to NYC for break tomorrow! :D :D [And I promise not to mention Snape's cock even once in polite company... really! Pinkie-swear and everything! :D! It's just that I'm sadly, incurably, perverse, but I can manfully attempt to restrain myself for the Good of Mankind and Also Maya's Delicate Sensibilities!!1
...And there's always that link to H/D top!Draco porn if you need to... cleanse yourself. See how I do think of you, dearest!!1]

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