♥♥♥♥♥....

[reenka]

...I think I'm going to stare at this image and not look away for like... the rest of my life......
(Which makes more sense after this and this. WAH.)


...omg, seriously, I want like a huge poster of it so I could stare at it every day and go OMG HARRY LOVES DRACO :(( :(( :(( :(( :((

Comments

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying they're not archetypes, that's irrelevant to my point. I said 'I need context' and you said 'archetypes mean you don't need context' and I said 'yes you do, otherwise it's not a real story' and now you said 'so write a story'-- but that brings me back to my original point, which is that I've never seen a story other than DV that makes me truly *see* that blue is , or in other words, Harry loves Draco in context, or 'for real'.

[malafede.livejournal.com]

*headdesk*

the trilogy doesn't work for me, but my world isn't shattered.

i'll write my own solution.

i don't see the "bad" in this picture.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I wasn't implying it was an objective judgment and 'you infidels, don't you all think only DV!Harry truly loves Draco'... 'cause, clearly not.

Well, write your own solution, I'm not trying to stop that. I'm just saying I haven't seen it yet and I've been waiting quite a while.

[malafede.livejournal.com]

Let me rephrase... I meant that maybe you expect any writer's truth about H&D to be the same as yours, and that's impossible, but you don't suspend your disbelief as required anymore. :/ I know I do on some level.

Transformation worked for me. Jigsaw too.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I dunno, I always had this shtick where I said 'no H/D fic ever convinced me', blah blah-- it's my... shtick. I always said that :))

With DV, it works for me so well because it's friendship-based and not lust-based :> I cannot say that for any other fic except `And I Get By', which also sold me, and also `Eclipse', which is -also- friendship-based (UL comes close for the same reason but... no cigar because Draco isn't fully reciprocatory). Anyway, the point is very few people write H/D resentment-to-friendship-to-lust stories ^^;;;;;; Okay, like, and even the ones that do stop once they get to the first kiss. It's a harsh world out there.

[malafede.livejournal.com]

That's because it's not H/R. It's not about being friends. I mean, it's one thing to want H/D to be friends, another thing to say it's necessary to make it work. :P

I mean, to me Trilogy!Draco isn't Draco, and the big declaration you quoted down there leaves me cold. I won't even say it's not Draco-like (or human-like, even), I just mean it's not necessary to H/D - or any love story - to work.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Oh, it's obviously not necessary to have them be friends in order for it to work (otherwise everyone would be out of luck)-- but remember, I wasn't saying 'work' in any remotely objective sense of 'this is how the pairing has to happen'-- I was just talking about myself & what makes me feel 100% confident in love in general.... I wasn't generalizing beyond myself at all, it's just that you keep saying 'but I don't need it' or 'but it's not need to be generally valid', etc, when that's not relevant to how things work in my head, I guess...? I was never talking about general validity in the first place. I was never talking about anything but my own reactions.

Anyway, I didn't even mean -I- needed H/D to be friends before I believed they were a couple (....), since that doesn't even make sense. I -know- it's not about being friends, all I ever said was that I think there's a difference between 'this works as a romance story' and 'this is love for these two people' and 'this is TRUE LOVE as -I- want to see it'.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

To explain to you what I mean by 'true love as I want to see it', I'll refer you to this (http://www.livejournal.com/users/pandarus/196231.html?style=mine), and it basically has to do with my ambivalence about romantic love in general, as with this quote:
Because I think romantic love, erotic love, is inherently selfish. Not only selfish, but selfish nevertheless. It can't be disinterested. Desire precludes that.

It's not that H&D -need- to be friends, but that I worry about the inherent possessiveness and selfishness of romantic love, even as I'm addicted to it. That's why DV!H/D touches me, and why I love H/D friendship stories so much-- because that's Agape, that's selfless love, that's what it's all about, basically. And it's not H/D, I know that, and yet a part of me just -wants- it to be H/D anyway, because I always want to have my cake and eat it too. I want both the amazing omg-passion-crazy-sex-need-lust and also the selfless trust and ability to let go and ability to believe in the other person and give of yourself until there's nothing left to give. And I don't know how to reconcile that.

I don't actually even -like- sexualizing canon Agape-type friendships in the first place, so I don't know why I have this hang-up... I just think they could have an even more interesting friendship than a romance. I dunno why I think that, but I do.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Though the funny thing is, really, that I always liked shipping/eroticizing H/D precisely -because- I feel weird eroticizing Agape-type love, and since Harry & Draco didn't have it, any passionate/lust-type thing felt additive rather than subtractive...

However, then I'm like, WAH! NO AGAPE :((
heh.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Plus, there's a difference between a fic 'working' for me, as in, I can suspend my disbelief okay, and a fic making me 100% believe that Harry loves Draco. Not 'has a crush on', not 'is obsessed with', not 'wants to fuck 24/7', not 'is insanely infatuated with'-- LOVES, like how Draco feels in DV:

I always thought I would follow you up to the gates of Hell if I had to. And that, once arriving there, I would beg the gatekeeper to take me instead of you. And if he must take you, I would ask to come with you. And if he would not let me come with you, I would wait for you on the shores of the river. I promised to watch over you and follow you always. I promised never to leave you. I never thought that death might prevent me. Not your death, but mine.