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...I think I'm going to stare at this image and not look away for like... the rest of my life......
(Which makes more sense after this and this. WAH.)


...omg, seriously, I want like a huge poster of it so I could stare at it every day and go OMG HARRY LOVES DRACO :(( :(( :(( :(( :((

Date: 2005-08-22 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
That's because it's not H/R. It's not about being friends. I mean, it's one thing to want H/D to be friends, another thing to say it's necessary to make it work. :P

I mean, to me Trilogy!Draco isn't Draco, and the big declaration you quoted down there leaves me cold. I won't even say it's not Draco-like (or human-like, even), I just mean it's not necessary to H/D - or any love story - to work.

Date: 2005-08-22 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Oh, it's obviously not necessary to have them be friends in order for it to work (otherwise everyone would be out of luck)-- but remember, I wasn't saying 'work' in any remotely objective sense of 'this is how the pairing has to happen'-- I was just talking about myself & what makes me feel 100% confident in love in general.... I wasn't generalizing beyond myself at all, it's just that you keep saying 'but I don't need it' or 'but it's not need to be generally valid', etc, when that's not relevant to how things work in my head, I guess...? I was never talking about general validity in the first place. I was never talking about anything but my own reactions.

Anyway, I didn't even mean -I- needed H/D to be friends before I believed they were a couple (....), since that doesn't even make sense. I -know- it's not about being friends, all I ever said was that I think there's a difference between 'this works as a romance story' and 'this is love for these two people' and 'this is TRUE LOVE as -I- want to see it'.

Date: 2005-08-24 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
To explain to you what I mean by 'true love as I want to see it', I'll refer you to this (http://www.livejournal.com/users/pandarus/196231.html?style=mine), and it basically has to do with my ambivalence about romantic love in general, as with this quote:
Because I think romantic love, erotic love, is inherently selfish. Not only selfish, but selfish nevertheless. It can't be disinterested. Desire precludes that.

It's not that H&D -need- to be friends, but that I worry about the inherent possessiveness and selfishness of romantic love, even as I'm addicted to it. That's why DV!H/D touches me, and why I love H/D friendship stories so much-- because that's Agape, that's selfless love, that's what it's all about, basically. And it's not H/D, I know that, and yet a part of me just -wants- it to be H/D anyway, because I always want to have my cake and eat it too. I want both the amazing omg-passion-crazy-sex-need-lust and also the selfless trust and ability to let go and ability to believe in the other person and give of yourself until there's nothing left to give. And I don't know how to reconcile that.

I don't actually even -like- sexualizing canon Agape-type friendships in the first place, so I don't know why I have this hang-up... I just think they could have an even more interesting friendship than a romance. I dunno why I think that, but I do.

Date: 2005-08-24 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Though the funny thing is, really, that I always liked shipping/eroticizing H/D precisely -because- I feel weird eroticizing Agape-type love, and since Harry & Draco didn't have it, any passionate/lust-type thing felt additive rather than subtractive...

However, then I'm like, WAH! NO AGAPE :((
heh.

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