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Oh my god......

I just finished the second volume of Under Grand Hotel, which was really close to overtaking the #1 favorite yaoi manga spot until its last chapter, and my heart is completely ripped to shreds. I'm just... totally traumatized. If Mika Sadahiro doesn't write the third volume (even raw... I'll read it untranslated, it's fine, no really... it's fine...), I think I'll come to Japan just to harass her. That was the worst! THE WORST! Sen! SEN YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT!!! (...okay I feel better now, a bit). So yes. Sen Owari is the HUGEST IDIOT EVER. GRRRRR. Swordfish may be a violent over-possessive bastard with no morals to speak of, but at least he's not that huge of an idiot as to throw away the one good thing in his life! ARGH.

I was going to post squeeing and saying it makes total sense I'd love a gritty melodramatic prison-based love-story, considering how I dig violence in my romance, but. GAH. My #1 most hated plot-point is when one of them decides to give up even though they're still in love. I just. It makes me so upset, I just feel like gnawing things. Nothing else-- I don't care if they're dead, if they're disfigured, if they're homeless, if they're cut off from all humanity, I don't care, if they're together! If they're doing horrible awful abusive things to each other-- that's upsetting too-- but... giving up... and then lying and saying they don't love the other anymore.... Oh. The hatred. The rage. The unfairness! THE EVIL!!

That's just. A horrible ending. It's a horrible non-ending, so that can't be end, right? Because nothing got resolved. No threads got tied up. It can't be the end. And I know this is really random ranting about stuff most of you don't have a clue about, but now I feel better. If it is the end, I'll seriously find the mangaka at a con one day and rant at -her-. And I never rant at anyone in person. So. Yes, that's a threat, Mika Sadahiro :-P AND YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'M SERIOUS!

Date: 2005-02-12 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shaggirl.livejournal.com
My #1 most hated plot-point is when one of them decides to give up even though they're still in love.

OMG, that is my biggest peeve too!! I want to strangle the characters every time.

Date: 2005-02-12 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
SO YOU FEEL MY PAIN!!1 *cries* There is just... nothing else quite like it to completely ...I don't know, destroy a story for me :P Ahahah it might help that this happened to me once, and man. ...Six years later, and I'm still angry ^^;; But even in fiction, nothing else gets my rage on the same way, especially if I've really grown to care about the characters. Deathfic can't compare >

Date: 2005-02-12 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cherusha.livejournal.com
Hi, I randomly surfed by here somehow. Anyway, after I read the scans for the 2nd vol, I was all asdfjkl;OMGSENYOUEEJIT as well. Then somebody told me the rest hadn't been translated yet. *phew*

I am in love with this manga too!

Date: 2005-02-12 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
*breaths a sigh of relief*
...It's a lot easier to be in love with a manga that's NOT RIPPING MY HEART TO SHREDS though, I must admit. ^^;;;
Even though I feel better, thinking about it, I still want to kick Sen in the shin, numerous times. And that would probably hurt me a lot more than it'd hurt him, but it's the principle of the thing!! I wish I was the sort of person who could blame the evil warden, but no! IT'S SEN'S FAULT FOR BEING SO STUPID!! GAH.
...okay, I'm calm again :))

Er, hi~:)

Date: 2005-02-12 07:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellabelle.livejournal.com
I'll read it untranslated, it's fine, no really... it's fine...
AHAHAHA! Duuuude...I'm still cracking up about this, like, 5 minutes later because I totally have a friend who does this. "No you don't understannnnnnd doooo youuuuuu aughhhhhh!" & etc. Which clearly I do not understand, and am a bad friend, horrible awful and so forth. Also, she wants to do that whole teach-English-in-Japan thing and I have just had an epiphany that she actually wants to stalk the artist people, since you mentioned that. I AM SO CALLING HER ON THIS OMG.

Okay, it's back to writing porn for me, then. Speaking of which, I need some sort of reassurance that I will write something Other Than This, Please, Oh God, Seriously at some point. Or if not reassurance, then mocking. Mocking would work, too. ;)

Date: 2005-02-12 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Ahaha I sort of want to teach in Japan, but really it's that I'd take any excuse to go to Japan~:)) It doesn't need to be just one reason, there are dozens. Since having read/watched so much stuff set there and gotten so involved with the place... I feel like I'd be meeting an old friend. I feel this way even more intensely about England, but with England it's more intimate-- as in, it'd be a motherland, not just a land I really really really adore, like I do Japan. :D AHHHHHHH NOW I'M THINKING ABOUT SEN AGAIN AND WANT TO KILL AND DESTROY. WHY ARE BOYS SUCH IDIOTS, WHY WHY WHY WHY WHYyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. *sobs!*

You totally will write something other than this, like crackfic about the secret lives of trees, I know you will <3

Date: 2005-02-12 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellabelle.livejournal.com
Oh, I know what you mean - about wanting to travel to places. Like, a friend of mine (who's English, but lives here) is always like, 'oh, when you go with me to England, we're going to do this & that & I'm going to take you here & omg you're going to love it!' & I'm like 'want to go nowwwwww!'

Kill & destroy, heee! I was going to say how it's so cute when you're pissed off but then, like, I didn't want your Horrendous Rage directed at me, or anything. I am defenseless, Reena! Armed only with my Porny Pen of Perpetual...er...Porniness, and also tea. <3

HAHAHA The secret lives of trees...so now I have this bad image of, like, dendrochronology & porn on the brain.
'Oh Harry, I love it when we take nature walks! Look at that tree stump! It has hundreds of rings, it must have been here for EONS.'
'Yes, that's great, Draco, really. Now drop your trousers and bend over it while I bugger the life out of you.'
'Okay. Ooh, look at the flowers! Aren't they prett- YEARGHHHHHHHH'
& etc.
...I could write this, I really could. *goes mental* Haha :)

Date: 2005-02-12 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
So apparently the Deep Dark Sekrit of trees is that they're perverts who like to watch when humans make like (impotent) bunnies. For some reason I like strangely-botany-conscious!Draco :)) He could keep a cactus 'cause his father took away all his other pets. "But father, the cactus helps me focus!!" :D :D :D :D

Heee only my IMPOTENT rage at like, people who're not there is amusing, probably~:)) Sen is lucky he's fictional, or I'd totally WHOOP HIS PALE ASS. OMG. HOW STUPID CAN SOMEONE BE??!?!? How can someone forget that love is what makes you happy, even if other things make you unhappy, even if you're IN PRISON?? (ahahahahah) I mean. If your lover is in prison, YOU STAY. GAH. A TWO-YEAR-OLD CAN UNDERSTAND THIS DAMMIT!!! I GUESS SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST TOO MORONIC TO UNDERSTAND THIS BASIC TRUTH OF THE UNIVERSE, THAT WHEN YOU HAVE THIS GORGEOUS LONG-HAIRED VIOLENT KILLER GUY ALL GAGA OVER YOU, YOU DON'T THROW THAT AWAY (AND LEAVE HIM TO THE STUPID SLUT BOY!!! WHO IS REALLY ALMOST MORE STUPID!!!) BECAUSE YOU'VE HAD A (REALLY REALLY) BAD WEEK. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH. ...it appears there was more rage where that came from. *cough!*

Date: 2005-02-12 08:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellabelle.livejournal.com
"But father, the cactus helps me focus!!"
Eeeheehee! I am considering putting this in my fic. Because currently the last line I wrote (seriously) was:
"Potter, you arse! I refuse to let you ream me in the Weasel's coat closet! I have some decency. We can do it once we get on the train home."

...Yes, but why was he in prison? Because if it was for, like, y'know...a case of mistaken identity, because, 'officer, the hooker was dead when I got here, no, really!'...then I could feel sympathy. I mean, if he is truly gorgeous, and stuff. (Shallow, what, me?)

No, but really, I think it's retarded when people are in love & they give up as soon as the going gets tough. That's what it's all about, yo. You have to stick it out. And plus, there's always conjugal visits...? Y'know. Um.

Date: 2005-02-12 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU THE (RELEVANT) PLOT??! BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THE PLOT!!! YESSSSS!!
Okay, so. Um. *concentrates, pushes rage down for a bit* Um. *deep breath* The two boys (they're like, 22 or whatever)-- are both in prison. Swordfish (gorgeous guy with dreads and blue eyes, omg HOT... like Sirius if he was black, had dreads and was a gang leader, but he COULD BE), and Sen Owari, who was a Japanese exchange student until he shot the husband of the woman whom he was having an affair with. The husband may or may not have been dead when Sen shot him, but Sen meant to shoot him anyway. The guy was trying to rape him when he found out about the affair, and the wife shot him first. So. He MIGHT get out of prison if he betrayed his ex-lover... or perhaps if he betrayed Swordfish, which I'll get to.

Sword is the gang-leader inside the underground prison (Underground Hotel = Under Grand Hotel), and at first Sen was totally antagonistic towards him 'cause he didn't care what happened to him after the whole getting convicted of murder thing. But then he got raped and almost killed by this serial killer guy, which Sword rescued him from 'cause they had an 'appoitnment' for Sen to get beaten up, and he didn't show so Sword looked for him. Initially Sen became his 'bitch' so he'd give him protection... but then they fell in love and had lots of really hot sex. At one point, their love got challenged because Sen had become Sword's 'weakness' and his gang members were worried about their boss and so they gang-raped Sen and almost killed him, but the guards interrupted... and Sword then rejected all his men and killed all the guys who raped Sen even though they were in solitary hiding from him. But anyway. Sen got freaked 'cause that was the first time he realized that Sword really was a killer... but he was able to accept it because he just loved Sword so much, and he knew it's just that his protective/possessiveness that got him there (though of course he's also a violent bastard unless it's about Sen). Though Sword isn't the cold-blooded type at all... Sen's more the repressed one. But anyway, yeah. End of volume one, they're still together, going strong, etc.

Volume 2, this uptight Japanese warden shows up who wants to 'clean up' the Under Grand Hotel & take down Sword's gang & so on. With the end, he gets Sen as his secretary and gradually wins his trust 'cause he acts like 'gentleman' (which y'know, Sword doesn't so much), and also he starts reminding Sen of his older brother, who died in an accident and Sen has an inferiority complex to. Sword is intensely jealous of the warden, and finds a way to put Sen into solitary for a week just to keep him away from him-- but while Sen is in solitary, a guy wearing a guard's uniform comes and rapes him while holding a stun-gun, but the worst part is that he gives a 'message' from Sword saying that Sen should remember to be faithful. And since neither of them trust each other enough and since Sen knows how Sword -can- go overboard, Sen does believe that Sword would do something like that (ie, have someone rape him) since he'd done that with that gang-bang, actually. But, uh... that was before they became really close and confessed to each other, etc.

Anyway, this time (understandably!!) Sen doesn't forgive him and breaks up, and when Sword confronts him a little later, he says he's unsure whether he loves or hates Sword anymore (but then their relationship was always somewhat competitive/antagonistic, yum). So Sword sleeps with this slut!boy who was pretending to be Sen's best friend and said he was in love with Sen for months now (it's been about a year since Sen came to the UGH). Norman (slut!boy) used to be Sword's bitch before Sen came along, and apparently he never got over him or something, and was just trying to get Sen away from Sword all this time. But anyway, that just drives Sen to sleep with the warden 'cause he catches them together and Norman tells him all that stuff about how he was lying about being his friend and he wants Sword. The warden is all (fakely) sensitive and playing on Sen's confusion and resurfaced memories of his brother and homesickness (even though he came to America to get away from it all), and he tells Sen he loves him.
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Date: 2005-02-12 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellabelle.livejournal.com
So basically, it's like Shawshank Redemption, except with porn, and also without the Raquel Welch poster? Except not.

Anyway, I feel that your rage is justified. But, like, there's going to be a volume 3, right? Wherein feelings are resolved, and there is hot sex, and then they are released from prison (but not before the evil warden meets his Untimely-But-Deserved-Demise) and, like, they retire to a villa on the Riviera, and have more sex. See! I'm trying to make it better, and failing. But heee, 'I'll Stand By You' was on the radio while I was reading your summary & that amused me. Er.

A friend of mine has been trying to get me into all this anime stuff for...well, years probably, haha. So far my resistance has proved to be that of steel, for I am staunch and brave, or something. Except I did watch this one series of...some thing, can't remember...er...but she bribed me (and while I was ill, too, the slag!), all 'But look! There are boys kissing...each other!' and I was all *walks toward the light* Because, y'know, boyyyyyyyyyyys. Mmmboyyyys. NOW MY BRAIN IS DISTRACTED HEEE.

Date: 2005-02-12 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I think the upset lingers even though I know there'll be more now, since ...um, I haven't -read- it yet, and it reallyreally upset me when I thought that was it. A lot. I mean, it's not like Sword is the greatest find in the universe, except they're PERFECT together and the warden is EVIL and. *sniffle* God, Sword is really hot, too. I hate it when people lie about being in love 'cause they've given up-- I can almost forgive it if it's for the 'good' (misguided) of the other person, but SEN IS BEING SO SELFISH. ARG I HATE HIM, ALMOST, HOW COULD HE DO THIS :P ...not that Sword is any less selfish. BUT STILL.

Ahahah, yisss, it makes me a bit happier to think of the warden dying a horrible horrible death, though hopefully not by Sword's hand 'cause that'd be wrong. Plus I think Sen would be traumatized except OMG AHAHAHAHH I THINK SEN WILL KILL HIM HIMSELF WHEN HE FINDS OUT HE WAS THE ONE RAPING HIM AHAHAHAHHAHAHA. *mad laughter*

The insanity of this comic is that the point is that even in prison, they're happy together. Or something. And I reeeally don't think Sword'll get out of prison any time soon (he's in there for 200 years with no parole) so basically it's in Sen's best interests (AND I HAVE ONLY HIS BEST INTERESTS AT HEART, CLEARLY) to stay. Anyway, that's why he's betraying Sword now, at least partly, 'cause he can't stay anymore (BASTARD). But this will all change when he kills the warden, oh yisssss. Dammit. I think I really got attached to them for some reason ^^;;;

And yeah, the comic was actually inspired by OZ, ahahah. And there are nekkid girl posters in their cell, too. They're both bisexual and uh, Sword used to be homophobic before he fell in love with Sen (AWWWWWWW) and got a tattoo with 'dive' which is the Japanese meaning of 'Sen' on his inner thigh next to his cock <3<3<3<3<3<3 OH SWORDFISH. *swoons*

heheheh I was resisting manga the same way for like, 10 years now :)) Like, "I'll watch anime BUT I WILL NEVER READ MANGA".
...And then I found all the porn :))

Date: 2005-02-13 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stellabelle.livejournal.com
Heee, I feel that "And then I found all the porn" should be the excuse for everything in the world. ALWAYS. Like, "Well, I know I was supposed to meet you guys for lunch, but, like..." or "I don't need to go to work today, right? Er, because..." Yes indeed.

But see, now you can use all your emotion (ie RAGE, hehe) & write fic about it. Which I can then read, because I (sort-of) understand what's going on! Yay. <3

Date: 2005-02-12 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
We see the warden fingering the mask he wore to rape Sen in solitary. (...gentleman, unlike Sword, right. *witholds rage*)

After sleeping with the (evil) warden, Sen comes back to his cell with Sword to pack up, and Sword confronts him again, finally noticing the marks from the stun-gun on his neck, and being so shocked and angry that they both finally understand it's been a misunderstanding. They kiss and Sword says he won't doubt Sen again, but then the guards are there, saying it's time for Sen to go to the other cell since he asked for the transfer. And Sen tells Sword that he does intend to go, since... well. SINCE HE'S AN IDIOT, but also since it doesn't matter anymore, he can't handle prison life anymore (the 'joy' is gone??! He can't call it 'Under Grand Hotel' anymore, etc) and he intends to get out of prison (...somehow... involving 'betrayal' according to his own words) and Sword should cherish Norman's love since it's the only thing that's 'real in this place'.

Sword yells and asks whether Sen was lying when he said 'aishiteru' (I love you) and Sen says 'you got it'. (......) (.......!!!)

And then they fight, until the guards break them up & the warden is there holding a bruised-up Sen, and as part of his planned betrayal, Sen says he loves the warden in front of Sword. The end of volume 2. (*RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE, etc*)
(Also, heeeeeeee, Weasley's closet, ahahahah. um.)

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