(who's gay?? DRACO'S GAY!!1)
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malafede. Like. Is it possible to actually write fiction with that narrow of a target audience that only really succeeds with that audience? Not that no one else liked it, but it's not a mass pleaser by any means (and the one crit I got said it suffered from lack of setting). I mean, there's the lack of setting/characterization/etc but is it just that? It seems to me that it gained most of its meaning in context, which is: a) Harry/Draco fucking in my head-- WHEN it is in my head to start with-- needs no context, period; b) malafede's Draco (a foreign 'muse' I'm on familiar terms with-- whatever the fuck -that- means) was being sulky so my Harry was being smirky/horny (on a weird meta level that I feel awkward even approaching rationally). It's weird 'cause like, I'm so fascinated with audience when it comes to fic.
Also because I was readingmusesfool's lj and she was saying how the Remus & Sirius in her head are gay, right-- and I'm not like this with most characters I have 'muses' for-- or, more precisely, I'm only like this with Draco that much, since I do think Pansy & Sirius & Remus are gay, just not so emphatically GAY. Sure, I think 'theoretically' or 'realistically' or whatever, on some uber-objective author's-intent (???! don't even want to get into that, but go with me) level he's either straight or bi.... But in my head... he's just gay. GAY. GAY in big orange letters. G-A-Y. Very gay. So gay it hurts. Veryveryveryveryvery gay, etc etc and so on and so forth. I think the reason I go on about it like that is 'cause I enjoy it. I -like- thinking of him like that. It's like... hot or something. Gay!Harry isn't hot... but gay!Draco is like... -mine- in some weird twisted (WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH ME) sort of way. I think it's another way of saying when I say 'cock-whore!Draco is mine' I mean Harry's. I mean he's Harry's. Therefore, when I say gay!Draco, I mean Harry's!Draco.
Hmm.
Anyway, that occurred to me 'causejedi_penguin said that maybe musesfool is so convinced Sirius & Remus are gay because they're so exclusively each other's. I wonder if being an OTPer leads to this. Though then, I dislike Harry with anyone but Draco, but not -that- much. Can you be an imbalanced OTP-er based on the character you most identify with....? Not that I honestly identify with Draco less, actually, it's just that I'm very conscious that he's very different.
Even so, it seems to be true. My Draco is Harry's, forever and ever amen, so clearly that means he's gay (even though he might 'like' girls, ahahahah TOO BAD, LOVERBOY). But the question of whether attachment defines fictional sexuality or the other way around is a rather meta & tricky one. I think this might be why I dislike stories where it's very laid out that so-and-so is gay, therefore they are looking into the male contingent of the population. It's not slash in some vital way to me. Slash would always go 'only want boy'--> therefore 'gay by default'. Not 'realistic', but just how my slasher mind operates.
Outside the OTP issue, though... without Harry, Draco would prolly go with a girl long-term 'cause he's a conformist but fuck boys in filthy back rooms; it would probably never occur to Harry that he -could- like boys outside of Draco/etc pouncing him, so left to his own devices, he'd be straight. I don't think my Harry gets off on boys outside of some particular one he's attracted to, just because he's rather asexual, whereas I see Draco as rather sexual but repressed. If he wasn't repressed, though, he'd be mostly gay though would fuck girls to feel dominant, the poor wanker.
Some people without 'muses' or a general vision of the characters outside of the particular story they're in might not get this, though. I've had people (well,ishuca) tell me that she doesn't have a singular Draco; I imagine not all writers do have a single version of a character-- why would they? Most 'original' fic writers don't need to have a single version, unless they write sequel upon sequel, which isn't that common. This seems to be more of an RP thing. For me it's more of a quantity-of-writing thing-- I've written the equivalent of an epic or two, word-count-wise, by now, so patterns have emerged. Surely I'm entitled to be on 'familiar terms' with the boys, so to speak :>
PS. Nothing to do with anything, but I'm so having a big ole literary crush on Virginia Woolf right now. Just sayin'.
PPS. The Theban Band can have my babies. Baby Number One: would gurgle and scream POTTER. Baby Number Two: would just sigh contendedly at the pretty full moon. ♥♥♥♥
Also,blacksatinrose's oh-so-reasonable point-by-point S/R plausibility defense has made me nearly weepy with joy. SEE, WE'RE NOT ALL INSANE, DAMMIT!!1 >:O Though clearly, that doesn't quite apply to me. Oh well.
EDIT - This had to be noted:ildi_bp has done the impossible: drawn such amazing Snape/Draco that I literally felt the pairing. Owwww, my -brain-!!1
malafede. Like. Is it possible to actually write fiction with that narrow of a target audience that only really succeeds with that audience? Not that no one else liked it, but it's not a mass pleaser by any means (and the one crit I got said it suffered from lack of setting). I mean, there's the lack of setting/characterization/etc but is it just that? It seems to me that it gained most of its meaning in context, which is: a) Harry/Draco fucking in my head-- WHEN it is in my head to start with-- needs no context, period; b) malafede's Draco (a foreign 'muse' I'm on familiar terms with-- whatever the fuck -that- means) was being sulky so my Harry was being smirky/horny (on a weird meta level that I feel awkward even approaching rationally). It's weird 'cause like, I'm so fascinated with audience when it comes to fic.Also because I was reading
musesfool's lj and she was saying how the Remus & Sirius in her head are gay, right-- and I'm not like this with most characters I have 'muses' for-- or, more precisely, I'm only like this with Draco that much, since I do think Pansy & Sirius & Remus are gay, just not so emphatically GAY. Sure, I think 'theoretically' or 'realistically' or whatever, on some uber-objective author's-intent (???! don't even want to get into that, but go with me) level he's either straight or bi.... But in my head... he's just gay. GAY. GAY in big orange letters. G-A-Y. Very gay. So gay it hurts. Veryveryveryveryvery gay, etc etc and so on and so forth. I think the reason I go on about it like that is 'cause I enjoy it. I -like- thinking of him like that. It's like... hot or something. Gay!Harry isn't hot... but gay!Draco is like... -mine- in some weird twisted (WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH ME) sort of way. I think it's another way of saying when I say 'cock-whore!Draco is mine' I mean Harry's. I mean he's Harry's. Therefore, when I say gay!Draco, I mean Harry's!Draco.Hmm.
Anyway, that occurred to me 'cause
jedi_penguin said that maybe musesfool is so convinced Sirius & Remus are gay because they're so exclusively each other's. I wonder if being an OTPer leads to this. Though then, I dislike Harry with anyone but Draco, but not -that- much. Can you be an imbalanced OTP-er based on the character you most identify with....? Not that I honestly identify with Draco less, actually, it's just that I'm very conscious that he's very different.Even so, it seems to be true. My Draco is Harry's, forever and ever amen, so clearly that means he's gay (even though he might 'like' girls, ahahahah TOO BAD, LOVERBOY). But the question of whether attachment defines fictional sexuality or the other way around is a rather meta & tricky one. I think this might be why I dislike stories where it's very laid out that so-and-so is gay, therefore they are looking into the male contingent of the population. It's not slash in some vital way to me. Slash would always go 'only want boy'--> therefore 'gay by default'. Not 'realistic', but just how my slasher mind operates.
Outside the OTP issue, though... without Harry, Draco would prolly go with a girl long-term 'cause he's a conformist but fuck boys in filthy back rooms; it would probably never occur to Harry that he -could- like boys outside of Draco/etc pouncing him, so left to his own devices, he'd be straight. I don't think my Harry gets off on boys outside of some particular one he's attracted to, just because he's rather asexual, whereas I see Draco as rather sexual but repressed. If he wasn't repressed, though, he'd be mostly gay though would fuck girls to feel dominant, the poor wanker.
Some people without 'muses' or a general vision of the characters outside of the particular story they're in might not get this, though. I've had people (well,
ishuca) tell me that she doesn't have a singular Draco; I imagine not all writers do have a single version of a character-- why would they? Most 'original' fic writers don't need to have a single version, unless they write sequel upon sequel, which isn't that common. This seems to be more of an RP thing. For me it's more of a quantity-of-writing thing-- I've written the equivalent of an epic or two, word-count-wise, by now, so patterns have emerged. Surely I'm entitled to be on 'familiar terms' with the boys, so to speak :>PS. Nothing to do with anything, but I'm so having a big ole literary crush on Virginia Woolf right now. Just sayin'.
PPS. The Theban Band can have my babies. Baby Number One: would gurgle and scream POTTER. Baby Number Two: would just sigh contendedly at the pretty full moon. ♥♥♥♥
Also,
blacksatinrose's oh-so-reasonable point-by-point S/R plausibility defense has made me nearly weepy with joy. SEE, WE'RE NOT ALL INSANE, DAMMIT!!1 >:O Though clearly, that doesn't quite apply to me. Oh well.EDIT - This had to be noted:
ildi_bp has done the impossible: drawn such amazing Snape/Draco that I literally felt the pairing. Owwww, my -brain-!!1
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Date: 2004-08-31 05:47 pm (UTC)And everything you said is probably the wonderful reasons I have a thing for Dom!Harry. "My Draco is Harry's, forever and ever amen" <- A great big "Who's you daddy?" right there. The only other person I can occasionally imagine him with is Blaise, for pointless sex or as a standin for Harry. It'd almost be kind of disturbing if it wasn't fictional.
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Date: 2004-08-31 06:40 pm (UTC)However, this is unrelated to the fact that Draco is, was, and always -will- be Harry's Bitch :D :D :D :D!! Oh Draco. He is so doomed. MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. (See, I totally get off on the idea that I'm torturing Draco by pairing him with Harry. Um. 'Cause he wants it, precious, but he'll whinge and scream and protest and HATE all the way to the screaming orgasm :D :D :D :D!!)
Argh, heh, I have a hate-on for Blaise lately 'cause everyone (but EVERYONE) uses him in fics as 'optional guy friend for Draco' whereas he has zero personality (or, really, gender, translation-to-Greek thing nonwithstanding) in the books. It pisses me off. Why not Nott? At least he had a sentence in OoTP (rat-faced, I think) devoted to him. Grrrrrrrr. Also, I think this is related to me going WTF(??!?) to Blaise/Hermione OTPers and Blaise/Draco OTPers (WTF?????x10000). I am bitter, nevermind me :>
...Also, now I feel all superior 'cause I'd written Nott as the non-Crabble-or-Goyle Slytherin boy in Draco's year, and like, I got my personality from JKR's website (where she's like, 'he's too clever to join Malfoy's gang'--> *STRUTS*). Ahem. Yeah, issues, what--?
~reena :>
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Date: 2004-09-01 01:02 am (UTC)No, it's not unrelated! Resistance is futile! There can be power struggle even with constant Draco buggery.
... Constant Draco buggery...
*hypnotized* For some reason I'm imagining Moody saying that to the class, just in awed tones rather than yelling.
(Can I ask something? Did I sound MAD in my last post? Ahaha, I'm pretty damn sure I did.)
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Date: 2004-09-01 01:19 am (UTC)I keep hoping someone will comment praising the girl!Draco and asking for some more girl!Draco action :(( AHHH THE TANGY SCENT OF WOMANHOOD. *PERVS*
...um. yeah, but. I don't like predictable things :>
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Date: 2004-09-01 01:38 am (UTC)... anyway, I am afraid you're the only one who likes tangy draco.
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Date: 2004-09-01 01:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-01 01:54 am (UTC)... snap out of it, Potter. This constant self-deluding just isn't sane.
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Date: 2004-09-01 02:00 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-01 02:05 am (UTC)AND JUST YOU WAIT, YOU STUPID WANKER WHO PUT MY FATHER IN PRISON. PREPARE TO DIE.
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Date: 2004-09-01 02:25 am (UTC)HORSE.
THOUGH I AM SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOSES AS WELL.
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Date: 2004-09-01 03:25 am (UTC)God, I can't believe the idiot who didn't know about Quidditch is the hero of the wizarding world. But please don't stop wanking around three feet over the ground for me, I am just another bloody mortal, AM NOT I? You think you're immortal, Potter, and it'll be fun to see your face when I prove you wrong.
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Date: 2004-09-01 03:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-01 03:57 am (UTC)It will be fun to see your face when you finally shut up.
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Date: 2004-09-01 08:07 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-09-01 11:44 am (UTC)*walks away, laughing & shaking his head*
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Date: 2004-09-01 04:00 am (UTC)This makes me think of him hiding in the corridors, waiting for Harry to walk past and jump him, tie him up and spirit him away to a dungeon somewhere. Mwuhahahahaha. Wait... I think I read a doujinshi like that somewhere.
Also, I think this is related to me going WTF(??!?) to Blaise/Hermione OTPers and Blaise/Draco OTPers (WTF?????x10000)
I think this is kind of like a lot of people's versions of Draco (not mine of course, because I'm um... betterer or something >_> Yeah, that's it). So a lot of people he's a "blank slate" they can project their Stuism on. I mean, even I do it with Blaise, since I always imagine him as the Slytherin House Slut or something, but I'm not about to OTP anything with him in it (yeah, WTF!!1one indeed).
Yeah, issues, what--?
Awh, that's okay. Your issues bring joy and love to many across the web, including myself (arselicking: complete). I've just got hang-ups about Ms Rowling giving away information on her website and stuff.
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Date: 2004-09-02 10:27 am (UTC)Personally, I love that story where Draco is obsessed with Harry and the Slytherins go on an excursion to a Muggle club and the next morning Draco suddenly remembers blowing a Muggle boy with black hair and striking blue eyes in the men's room. That, to me, was just perfect.
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Date: 2004-09-02 10:37 am (UTC)This one! (And now I've frightened myself with the immediate total recall, which appears to desert me come exam time, and restrict itself to the details of Teh Hawt Pr0n ;)
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Date: 2004-09-02 11:46 am (UTC)... At least we're not alone?
(But, it came out after OotP when everybody and their dog where either cackling or moaning that H/D was dead, and was one of the most believable H/D I ever read till that point, so I had to mark the day for schadenfreude. Actually, am I alone in thinking that quality-wise H/D has improved after OotP, and potential-wise, it's a lot more fun?)
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Date: 2004-09-02 11:56 am (UTC)I love the post OotP reactions of OMG DRACO IS SO LIEK UNWORTHY OF HARRY NOW! HE WAS SO EVIL! BEFORE HE WAS A FLUFFY BUNNY WITH A HEART OF GOLD!
AND A HARRY WHO COULD CAST THE CRUCIATUS WOULD NEVER EVER SLUM IT WITH SOMEONE AS BENEATH HIM AND HORRIBLE AS THE BOY WHO IN THIS BOOK...UM...WORE A SHINY BADGE?
Because of course, Harry's one previous romance was based on mature assessment of Cho's moral value, and not OMG TEH HAWT!!1 (Poor old Cho. She at least seemed to admire the guy's personality!)
I like post-OotP fic. But then, no matter how much I whine about canon, I think most H/D scenes are fairly slashtastic, including OotP.