~~who needs hurt/comfort when you can have bite/lick, eheheheh

[reenka]

marysiak wrote frozen fellatio for the `armchair slash' flirtatious foods challenge... mmmm... had to change my comments links to Mini Milks. will -never- forget mini milks. oh yah, baby, oh yeah. *coughs*
    er. yah. good fic, that. good fic. ...er. *chortles*

i was thinking about CoS and harry & draco's interaction in the movie being referred to as "hurt/comfort". this made it abundantly clear to me that i don't understand the whole deal with this concept. there don't see to be that many fics i've come across (ok, any), that would fit this category precisely, except possibly for that star wars fic where poor obi wan was being a sex slave for the Dark Side (*laughs and laughs*) and qui-gon had to go against the Jedi Council in order to laboriously track him down and rescue him. anyway, obi wan was pretty beat up, poor boy. and i mean -really- beat up. er. but that was smutty, and i'm getting the impression that hurt/comfort isn't supposed to be smutty.

but yeah. not a lot of harry potter hurt/comfort slash. is hurt/comfort even slash? it's sometimes mentioned as if it's an off-shoot of slash, like smarm. i don't personally see the attraction in war-ravaged, bleeding characters being bathed and given chicken soup by their male friends/enemies, but really what makes me wonder is the lack of this in this fandom. maybe with sirius/remus. and i guess it makes sense, because they're teenagers, it's not like they're warriors or anything.



i realize it's not a large amount of fics to start with. i haven't seen them proliferating in the gundam wing fandom either, and that's about warriors. 'course, everyone's obsessed with sex in that fandom. *laughs* seriously! eighty percent (probably more, really), of gw fic is smut. in fact, that's how it seems to go in slash, in general. it's pretty smutty, unless it's harry potter. i think it's the general notion, in a lot of tv-based shows, that all you need is an excuse for the two manly characters to throw off the shackles of their preconceptions and slide happily into a back alley somewhere.

you know, the sort of fic i've just recced. i love them, obviously, heh ^^;;
    i just wonder what inspires the presence or lack of hurt/comfort vibes in a fandom. is it those gritty action-based shows? is it because it's easier, somehow, to picture guys bonding and being all pre-sexual passive/agressive rather than out-and-out crushing (oooh, crushing, my favorite-- don't see a lot of that in `the sentinel' or whatever, i'd bet).
    i also wonder what exactly one is supposed to get out of those fics. of course, not like i'd know, since i haven't read them. but the idea slightly disturbs me. i sort of think i like violent, combative love/lust. i mean, i read the initial fight between harry & draco in `veela magic' and i squeal delightedly, mentally egging them on.

i don't know if i want either of them to comfort each other afterwards. that would be freaky. and indeed -focusing- on their bruises and pain and the senselessness of fighting in general, rather than the passion and anger involved, leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. i like the emotions behind the violence, but not the actual bruises and things that have to be comforted, i guess. you don't exactly go around comforting anger, do you, heh.

i should probably read some of these fics, if i was going to really know what i'm talking about. if anyone knows of any good hurt/comfort hp fics (even non-harry/draco, gahd help me), let me know.

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[lasultrix.livejournal.com]

Obake's All Torn Down probably counts as hurt/comfort. It's very good, although your favourite Draco - snarky!Draco - doesn't feature.

And it is, of course, H/D. *smiles* It's on ff.net.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

ahh, `all torn down'.
one of the first 5-10 h/d fics i've read. possibly one of the first 5. it was an early one...

i had issues with it's characterisation short-cuts, i seem to remember...
i even ranted about it in my pitas weblog...
mostly because i disliked the "reason" she gave for draco turning towards boys/harry, it being the forced sex with females. it doesn't seem like something that would turn a person from their sexuality (if they had one in that direction to start with), and furthermore i find it kind of offensive that a reason is needed at all.

messed-up!draco is messed up by most people, as far as i can see, because they tend to play down his meanness and rudeness and turn it all into pain and angst and "issues". it's almost as bad as sap. really it -is- sap, except bad things happen. because like sap, it kind of excuses the "realness" of the previous behavior and explains it away.

which isn't to say she isn't good-- she's convulsively readable, and she's only 17, and so on. i couldn't stop reading, and i'm sorely tempted to re-read it even now.

the only really really good draco of this sort that i've read is antenora's. i honestly can't think of anyone else that does in-pain-needs-harry-needs-understanding!draco anywhere near so well. penelope writes a great messed up draco but she doesn't explain him away or give his pain any sort of directionality where harry takes it away-- her draco just needs harry, period, which is what i love about tuw.

a draco brought low by emotional pain is a different character, really, as far as i'm concerned. also, her characterization of hermione and ron's (and even harry's) initial reactions to this radical shift-- oh wow, poor woobie-- kind of disappoint me. if you're going to do in-pain!draco, go ahead, but keep him a bastard, just a bastard that needs harry.

but no matter, i love the pain and the angest, and i love how she jumps right to the kissing, heh. and i liked kieran, i seem to recall. she hasn't updated in ages though.

though, ahahahah, i have to admit, that back when i was reading this, i was being a complete sucker for marysia's `marks we bear' which is like, all about angest and pain and cutting and everyone needing everyone else to live. maybe i'm just more tolerant when harry's the needy one, ahahaha. although in `marks' it's kind of both.

but what do -i- know, i loved twav. ahahah :D
*hides*
heeeyy, it was funny!smut. i *heart* funny!smut.
that was probably a big reason why i loved marysia's fic so much, too. yum, smutty. i forgive a -lot- if there's mondo snogging going on. ahaha. i have few scruples, really ;D

~reena

[ashkitty.livejournal.com]

Are you kidding? There are scads of hurt/comfort fics in GW!

But you're right, there isn't as much in HP, which I'm kind of glad for actually since most of them aren't written well. but anyway.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

hee~:) i must have had my head buried with smut so that i didn't have time to notice anything else :D

or maybe i just have no clue what they're supposed to be like, so i assume it's regular slash when it isn't. i think my understanding of hurt/comfort is around the level of an 11-year-old boys visualization of lesbian sex :D hehehe :D

[seren-himitsu.livejournal.com]

Gundam Wing actually does have quite a bit of hurt/comfort fics, but that's quite different from HP, mostly because the participants (for lack of a better word) of the slash pairings tend to be a) good friends, or at least war comrades, and b) really, really, like, desperately, really need comforting. In HP slash, we don't really have that, especially not in H/D. I mean, the whole idea behind H/D is that they detest each other, but can't keep their hands off each other. There's not very much comfort going on ;). As well, you're right, they're teenagers, not warriors, and as far as canon is concerned, not much has happened to them that would really require serious comforting.

Personally, I tend to shy away from hurt/comfort fics, simply because for the most part, they seem to be little more than convenient excuses to get the participants into bed. Still, they do have a schmoopiness that I like, and I'm sure that I can dig up a few good hurt/comfort fics for you. *gazes with trepidation at bulging 'Favourite fics' folder* Er, eventually. :)

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