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[reenka]

Reading this,
    i understand and respect your need to rant about something you dislike, but please keep in mind that there are people like me who do like this genre, and who don't appreciate it being put down as slash's "slutty cousin." imagine someone would take apart and ridicule your favorite genre like that--how would you feel?

...made me seriously think, for the first time in fandom, "man, I really need a sockpuppet journal [just to make crude remarks to people like this], don't I."

I R s0 meen and insensitive -.- I don't get to play in the pretty sandbox anymore :( And yeah, uh, before you lose all respect for me or whatever, I meant that as a joke. -.-;; I'd say it as myself if I actually had something to say, but as it is, I feel the need to act out-of-character just 'cause that statement is just kind of begging for it like a two-penny rentboy, I swear. The Cult of Nice in action, ladies and gentlemen. On some level, I'm mostly offended at the implication that if I don't take people's amusing little rants on -mpreg-, yes mpreg, to heart, I'm some sort of insensitive bitch with no delicate feelings or something. I... I really hate it when people use their so-called sensitivity to manipulate others. I hate it a lot. It makes me wish I was mean.
    (And the funny part is that I still have no real impulse to be mean, but now that I -can't-, it makes me feel like I have to or something. Oh, fandom. It'd be so much more fun if everyone had a sense of humor. But then, that's life in general for you.)

To be disgustingly fair, I have to say that rants with a side of 'you should write -this- way' are also wanky, pathetic and more importantly, useless. It's not like you can make anyone care about Earth logic in so-called 'fantastic fiction' if they don't already. Logic is just not most mpreg-readers' cup of spiked tea. On the other hand, see above re: having a sense of humor when someone makes lots of references to assbabies, multicolored colons and the mechanics of ass-birth. Honestly.

And, just in case y'all didn't know: I have no great issue with mpreg anymore than I do with Veela!Draco (whom I actually like more than fanon-without-any-explanation!Draco, about whom I will never be sorry for having written 10,000 rants on how I wish he would die, die, DIE and then die again-- and yeah, if that hurt someone's feelings, I'm sorry, but we're talking about fanon!Draco, not women's rights in Ethiopia). What I do have an issue with is people who actually take it seriously, like it's Omg Arte, because Omg Assbabies Are Serious Business, didn't you KNOW?! -.-

PS: I fear I've gotten hooked on the Hana Yori Dango J-drama. Someone save me before it's too late--!

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[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I think in the end, we just get offended by different things, that's all. No amount of ridicule of an -idea-, straightforward or otherwise, would seem offensive to me because I see no need to be 'respectful' or nice about ideas. Nice to specific -people-, and people in general-- of course. Nice to ideas-- wtf?! If it's stupid in your opinion, go ahead and call it stupid in any way you want-- it's couching one's ridicule in niceties and politeness that pisses me off. Say what you mean and mean what you say; it bothers me when people say 'oh, I understand it's your right to rant on your lj but really you're an insensitive bitch and should think of others' feelings' because it's so essentially dishonest. It's trying to enforce your social rules/mores on others, and that's really annoying to me.

Mind you, I wasn't defending or attacking anyone in particular; perhaps I do separate ideas and people too much, but separate them I do. So yeah, she had the right to be offended, but not the right to say the other person had to be more 'polite' and 'respectful'. On the other hand, I really have always hated social-harmony bullying and have never taken it from anyone... but then I also don't tend to talk to most people one way or the other, and I'm never intentionally rude 'cause I want to avoid attention. So... all this stuff about needing to show respect when you don't feel it, for an idea rather than a person... that just never flies with me.

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

No amount of ridicule of an -idea-, straightforward or otherwise

Oh no, she stepped over just ridiculing an idea several times in her little rant.

It's trying to enforce your social rules/mores on others, and that's really annoying to me.

So how is an mpreg reader doing that to a ranter any different to someone who obviously doesn't like mpreg ranting about how mpreg should supposedly be written? If the ranter has that right, which they do, even if it is a stupid right, then the reader does as well.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I think at base, it's that ranting about how things should be written is annoying and pointless, but not personally offensive to me the way naturally presuming (ranting aside) that the other person should consider others' feelings and 'not be disrespectful' is offensive to me. The word 'disrespectful' was mentioned several times, and that's just my button-- which is what I said in the first place, that this is just my button as to what I find offensive.

It's different because telling others how to write fiction is different to me than telling others how to communicate in a more... um, directly personal way. You can tell me, for instance, that I've written Draco OOC and I should stop and write him like -this- and I might be offended/hurt/puzzled, but I wouldn't really take it personally or seriously get pissed. I'd be like 'hmm, maybe you're right, but...' or something. But if you tell me how to act on a personal level, I'd really have to try hard not to bite your head off, y'know? Especially when couched in terms of 'you're just not as sensitive as me' or whatever. I'm plenty fucking sensitive, y'know :> No one can really get away with saying that they're more thin-skinned than I am, though perhaps they're more drama-queeny and whiny :P (...this, I mean in general. Er.)

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

I think at base, it's that ranting about how things should be written is annoying and pointless,

But she wasn't just ranting about that either. She was. several times, ranting about what should be written, which is one of the topics of rants which shits me off to no end, and is worse than "How To Write" or "You Insulted Me" rants. That's assuming the other person should tailor their creative processing to another whiny bitch's needs.

You can tell me, for instance, that I've written Draco OOC and I should stop and write him like -this- and I might be offended/hurt/puzzled, but I wouldn't really take it personally or seriously get pissed.

And that's constructive criticism, especially if it was coming from me, a Draco fan. Which is different from someone who doesn't like something ranting about a) whether someone should write something at all and b) how said thing ranter doesn't like should be written. Said ranter is obviously a fuckwit who's never heard the phrase, "It's not for you!"

But if you tell me how to act on a personal level, I'd really have to try hard not to bite your head off, y'know?

So why is someone being offended by obviously offensive content and then you saying they shouldn't offensive valid? Even if they do use their sensitivity to try and manipulate others, you're saying how they should act. Just as someone who says "Blah blah we should write slash about real gay male issues like AIDS & STDs not silly fantastic mpreg situations" is offensive, because it's telling them what they should expend their time and effort on.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I think originally, there were both things-- the how & the what-- going on in the rant. There was 'what' as illustrations of the 'how' (which, I believe, is 'logically'). Which I find stupid and annoying, but not as annoying as it'd be if she seriously was saying no one should write mpreg (like some people say no one should write shota or RPF or whatever). That does annoy me a lot, yeah. So basically she was being an asshat but at least she amused me more than the non-amusing self-righteous person, though they were both annoyingly self-righteous, how's that :>

Even if they do use their sensitivity to try and manipulate others, you're saying how they should act.
Nah, see, I'm not saying how they should act because I would never ever in my life (EVER) tell them this to their face or be all in their space about it. I'm like 'gawd I hate that' but I don't actually direct this at anyone. Using sensitivity to manipulate others just sort of makes me shake with squick, I guess, but it's not something I'd seriously use against anyone, y'know?

I think we can agree on some level that both people were wrong in their way or whatever, it's just that as I said, one thing annoys you more and the other thing annoys -me- more :> I'm not saying I'm objectively correct, I'm just saying man, this is what tempts me to actually say something ill-advised-- which I would never say. Not because I'm polite (by nurture) but rather because I don't get up in people's business by nature.

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

Nah, see, I'm not saying how they should act because I would never ever in my life (EVER) tell them this to their face or be all in their space about it.

No, you'd just do it behind their backs instead. :P XD

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I knew you'd say that :P But it's still better than telling people what to do, at least to me :> It's all about the lesser evil, ahahah :>