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One reason I really can't stand a lot of the modern critical approach to fiction is because the process of framing a story in a rec/review often ruins it for me. I can't stand being made to see a story in a certain way, in terms of what it should mean, and I don't like it when the author themselves does it (because that's telling vs. showing), but I really hate it when a critic/reviewer's response to a piece is basically telling the reader how to respond by outlining that fic's emotional significance and general standing in relationship to other literature and various meta aspects of the field.

    I can't decide whether this makes me a 'bad' English major, or just really uptight.

I may love a story, but I need to retain a complex relationship to it-- I need to keep my own response fluid and unfettered, to keep any emotional significance at least partly submerged and unconscious, because as soon as it starts being used and compared to other readers' emotional responses, I feel it's being used against me.
    I genuinely believe that to really read with your whole brain, it's best to allow one's responses to occur-- emotional and intellectual-- without a built up context of outside, imposed meaning. It's almost dishonest that way, going into a story with expectations and needs that the story should either satisfy or leave empty. I feel that's putting too much of a weight on the reader's power and -their- needs rather than letting the story's intrinsic worth assert itself and win the reader over in whatever fashion.

This is why, partly, I do review directly-- give feedback to the author-- but I don't really review publically, with the intent to influence other readers. I may link to fics, but I cannot imagine that others' responses should be (could be?) anything like mine, or that others could or should see what I do in a fic. I know that this outside 'framing influence' would threaten to ruin my own chance at enjoyment, just because there will be that wall of expectation and pre-made analysis lying between me and the raw essence of the fic.

    With something like Shakespeare and other classics, I feel it's different because there are so many voices out there that it's a chorus, and no one opinion has to dominate. Similarly, I don't mind talking about HP, because there are simply so many people talking about the books in every which way. But in less 'public' works, I feel I need that privacy-- that sanctuary, that almost sacred bond between me and the text. A reviewer (when read pre-reading) becomes something like a voyeur, almost, their whispered words making me see things that may or may not be there. However, the real 'violation' of the one-on-one between me and the fic comes when the review aims to make me -feel- things that may or may not be there.

I'm not saying 'reviewing is bad and evil and should be stopped'-- god, that would be stupid-- I'm just saying that personally, a certain kind of review, which aims to critically frame the story in a certain emotional context, ruins the private pleasure of reading for me almost entirely. That's just me, though.
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I really want to stop talking about H/D. Perhaps I should join a twelve-step program: how to stop obsessing, for the Perpetually Brainwash Resistant. Hmmm. I did have plans to talk about whether it's better to write characters one loves or hates (see, a nice abstract subject). Woe. Am hopeless t00b.

Anyway, the question of 'can Harry love canon!Draco' has been bugging me the past few days. Basically... I don't think so (and am ambivalent about how I feel about that). Typical ice-prince fanon!Draco wouldn't fare much better though; if anything, I have an intuition that Harry would hate him -more- because he's just so larger than life and over-inflated and fire-retardant and all of that. I mean... sure, there are 'cool' people Harry likes in a distant sort of 'oh, right' manner (the twins, I guess), but his friends are rather 'normal' as far as he can tell, I think.


What I'm saying is, I don't agree that Harry needs to build up anyone he likes/loves on a pedestal, not entirely-- I do think he wants to admire and respect them, but that's different. I think he likes feeling like they're great (like Sirius-- it's not that there are -reasons- for him to be great, he just is, to Harry), but not being overwhelmed by someone's sheer haughty cold grandeur or whatever. Then again, the truth is, fanon!Draco is clearly a fantasy extrapolation of what canon!Draco wishes he was (but isn't), so the trick here would be to ask what -Harry- wants, not what -Draco- wants. Since I'm pretty sure Draco wouldn't mind being his fanon self, whereas Harry likes actual sincerity and what he sees as integrity in human beings, as long as it's not over the top dramatics like with Cho.

Sometimes I think it's hilarious that I go on about wanting to read what I could believe was 'canonish' Draco in fic, especially when I realized that I don't actually -ship- canon!Draco with Harry (who doesn't really have more than one version in my head). I imagine lots of other people feel the same, though they say they ship H/D.
    It's just very, VERY hard to write Harry wanting Draco (as is) convincingly, and not because of hate at all, but simply because Harry -disapproves- of Draco on a basic level. It's not that he loves or hates-- he just doesn't like him or respect him as a human being, I think. Draco is whiny, self-centered, probably clingy, nasty to people Harry likes & respects, weak and generally annoying in a thousand little ways. (This is Harry's pov, btw, not necessarily my own.)

So what to do? I'm starting to really feel like Harry wouldn't -like- Draco or accept him 'as is' (Ani DiFranco style) even if he -loved- and wanted to shag him senseless.
    Basically, 'the problem with Draco' isn't that he's a 'snarky bastard' or an 'asshole' or a 'bad boy'-- that, Harry could definitely get over and accept. He's not the 'Big Bad'-- he's the annoying prat who's as spoiled as Dudley, as loud as Colin Creevey, and as stupidly prejudiced as his bastard father. What, exactly, is Harry going to like? In canon, he's even -wittier- than Draco, as far as I can tell.

Most people agree that H/D is what one might call a 'fanon' rather than 'canon' pairing-- meaning that its basic premise is drawn from the characters' -potential- rather than their actual dynamic. So in a way, writing H/D fully 'true to canon', starting from 'the beginning' (as I like to see done) can be seen as a form of shooting oneself in the foot before one started to actually move.

So... canon!H/D is kind of a sad joke (from Harry's pov-- canon Draco, I'm semi-convinced wanks over Potter more than he cares to remember, but that's probably my kink talking). It's a really frustrating realization for an H/D writer: (what if) I don't ship H/D in canon at all??... And yes, I'm that much of a Harry ho, what can I say. As far as canon!Draco goes-- well, I'm sorry for him & sometimes find him cute & sometimes funny, and sometimes even admirable in a twisted way. Mostly, I think he's a pathetic wanker who needs to grow up. And yes, that's partly my inner!Harry speaking, but so it goes regardless. Malfoy needs to get a grip on something other than himself-- or perhaps I mean the opposite-- what Malfoy needs to finally get a grip on himself, but for real.

For 'convincing' H/D (funny how I say that since I'm a shipper, and we're supposed to be 'already convinced', but I'm just funny I guess), on some level one has little choice but to 'mess with' canon. It's just a question of doing it 'right', as far as this pairing goes. Essentially, it all revolves around moving Draco forward in his development to make Harry see him as more of an equal, because it seems to me that that's what Harry would want.

So I guess I understand the conundrum that drives all the rampant fics out there about cool-assed-Master-of-Slytherin!Draco. I mean, if he's -cool-, I guess one could say he 'deserves' Harry (which I personally have problems with as a concept). The issue, to me, isn't who 'deserves' whom, but rather what the people involved want and need from a partner and whether a particular relationship can fulfill their needs. The idea of canon!Draco fulfilling Harry's needs makes me laugh (meanly). I'm sorry, Malfoy. You know I love you, but. Yeah.

Basically, it's just that I think snarky-sexy-cool!Draco fics go way overboard but still vaguely in the 'right' direction for a successful relationship to develop (whatever -that- means-- I suppose to me, it means a fulfilling one) between Harry and Draco. And it's this need to somehow develop Draco that appears to make people think they've got a free ticket to change his whole personality, which is ridiculous. Also arguably JKR herself has done it, ahahah. Sorry, random snark.

All Draco really needs is a good measure of self-confidence and self-awareness (no small goals, of course), because his utter lack of those two things combine to ensure Harry will never change his mind about him, and Draco, for his part, will never be secure enough in his own status as an individual to see Potter as just another boy, albeit one he loves/wants. Anyway, not seeing Potter as the bane of his existence and the reason for all his failures would also help.

I freely admit all this is mostly nothing but a rehash of things I've said before, but I just think some of these concepts are finally -solidifying- (after all this time, too!) in my head into a coherent whole. I'm finally seeing Harry's all-important motivations here rather clearly-- and it's not a pretty picture. All this would probably only seem significant if you know just how elusive and fuzzy his characterization and 'stand' in their dynamic had generally been to me in my own writing.
    All those eons ago, I'd started out with a -way- vocal Draco muse which has almost completely dominated nearly all my H/D efforts, whether or not they were in Draco's pov. I -knew-, to the marrow of my bones, where my Draco was coming from, and Harry was sort of left to adjust and react (in one way or another) to his presence. It was always 'will Harry give in??' before, whereas now it's a more mutual problem, which might actually help my writing. Maybe.

I just realized that even if Harry 'gave in' and started a relationship with Draco, the deeper problem wouldn't be solved at all. Not if Draco remained a stupid whiny prat as far as Harry could see-- and love/lust doesn't necessarily have to mean seeing the person through rose-colored glasses, but especially in this case. *sigh*
    So yeah. It really is up to Draco; and I'm starting to appreciate the merits of the transition if Draco's step forward occurred before Harry 'noticed' him, because doing H/D and Draco-transformation -concurrently- is-- well, it's a nightmare. Uh, very difficult, I mean. Makes my poor brain huuuurrrrt. Well, until I give up and go read/write H/D porn, anyway.
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Also, because, it needs to be said: [livejournal.com profile] stellabelle wrote another hilarious H/D fic which made me snort & giggle & coo (alternatively, but sometimes at the same time). It is truly a Very Special Thing for a story to warm the cockles of my (dirty slapper!) heart just so. Awwwwwww. (I just can't take unfunny fluff, is all.)

See, the thing is-- I really don't have the emotional energy to read that much H/D anymore unless I 'trust' you as an author (and often even if I do). Even with the authors I adore... the 'H/D place' in my heart is... sore. I'm being careful, maybe, so I don't snap like I did this past winter and read -no- H/D for like, four months. [livejournal.com profile] stellabelle's fic is sort of... restorative in that regard. <3

Date: 2004-09-12 12:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cellia.livejournal.com
Honestly, it's Very Hard to get Draco to be sorry, and then there's the fact that my Draco muse just refuses to be cute when I write angstfic.

I don't know if the key to Draco is making him sorry. Like, the overly righteous part of me wants him to be Sorry, because he was mean and nasty and must repent and suffer etc etc. But that is the lame side of me. Maybe he just kinda needs his own story... if that makes any sense. Like one of those fantasy novels where the kid starts out a snot, but he grows up to be... perhaps still annoying, but with many other interesting and cool things about him (hero's journey blah blah blah). And Draco is very energetically persistent, so I feel like he would still be very passionately energetic if pointed in a new direction. Although perhaps still annoying and drama queen-ish and cowardly.

except that dom!Draco bothers me, though I don't care if he tops. I like him all desperate and cunning-yet-pathetic, though

haha. Well, just because he tries to go after Harry doesn't mean he'll get him. Like, he could try to be all evil deatheater and trap Harry in a room, but Harry keeps kicking him in the shins and telling him that his dick is small and he's got bad breath and he can't whip worth shit and shouting in all-caps is anybody *important* ever going to be coming into torture him ever? (heh, this reminds me just a bit of Lights Out) Or you know, there's the James-Lily-type situation with lots and lots of chasing and lots and lots of rejection (followed by true love and marriage of course).

I love "Weather" but I'll admit it did get extremely fluffy--though still in a way I could find possible. It was also my 1st HP fic (imprinting) and I was mostly impressed with how Harry turned it around and didn't weep everywhere and Draco had questionable morals, but wasn't evil when it came down to it.

...

T_T Man, I don't go to meat market bars to get picked up, I go with friends or coworkers, but after a half hour I'm always like... "why is this cool again?" I need more geek in my RL. To use a geeky metaphor... it's like... when Batman has to be Bruce Wayne. (YES! Batman ref included, day now complete. Also... I am comparing myself to Batman, delusions of grandeur?) He'd much rather be Batman, but that's supposedly crazy and unhealthy, and also, cuts him off from 99% of normal human interaction.

Date: 2004-09-12 06:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Or you know, there's the James-Lily-type situation with lots and lots of chasing and lots and lots of rejection

Man. Don't make me feel the James/Lily love. ... It's wrong!

Date: 2004-09-12 09:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Resistance is futile, Malfoy. You will be assimilated. Into Us.

Do I get to be the asshole, at least?

Date: 2004-09-12 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
You are not spunky.

... I don't want to be spunky!

What else would you be?

Date: 2004-09-12 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
.........You can be the asshole, and I can be spunky, how 'bout it? *waggles eyebrows*

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Date: 2004-09-12 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
... But you are the asshole as well.

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Date: 2004-09-12 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
...Doesn't mean you can have it, just 'cause I do.

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Date: 2004-09-12 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I WILL NEVER BE A POTTER!

*robe swells dramatically when turns, exits in a huff*

Date: 2004-09-12 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Honestly, princess, it wasn't as if I was proposing!

Date: 2004-09-12 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Was the "assimilated" meant to be obscene, then? Beast. Furry, stubbly beast.

Date: 2004-09-12 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I dunno, was the name-taking supposed to be obscene?
IT'S MANLY STUBBLE, BUT THEN, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, WOULD YOU-- PRINCESS??

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Date: 2004-09-12 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cellia.livejournal.com
*giggles*

Date: 2004-09-12 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cellia.livejournal.com
Aren't the wrongest pleasures sometimes the best?

mwhahahahaha

Date: 2004-09-12 10:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
But see, see! Yeah! That's exactly where DE!Draco ended up going, I think-- that Hero's Journey for Draco, even though it wasn't initially where I tried to go. I was going to call it 'The Fool' (from Tarot) instead of `The Hanged Man' at first, just to make it obvious... because yeah! I completely agree. What Draco needs, basically, is to grow up, I always believed that. And... that's a huge subject, y'know... um... and I know I didn't complete that arc... but DUDE (*WHINES*)... I thought... I thought it might be Good Enough to get to the point where it's like... you could see he realizes he -has- to grow/change/become, and Harry will be still there. Or something. I'm no good with epics :/ Or having patience. Meh.

`Lights Out' freaked me out, man. I have issues with ruthless!Harry, who would nevertheless kiss Draco and make 'contented' noises :/ I just don't see the capacity for that kind of deception in Harry. That's what people don't get. He would deceive (and has, of course), but I don't think he'd deceive... with that. He's too... I dunno... uncomplicated(?) in that sense. It's like... he's very straightforward when it comes to liking/disliking on a base level-- he'd never pretend to like someone if he didn't, or pretend to want someone if he didn't. His emotions are very obvious, though he could lie in whatever other way. Thus if Harry uses emotional things to be cunning, I just feel betrayed. THAT'S NOT HARRY, YOU BASTARDS, I want to scream :>

...You could so be Batgirl. I could see it! You need a costume, though. If you're Batgirl, though, could I be like, some female version of Alfred?? We could get dressed up at Halloween, and..... *laughs and laughs*
There are a lot of geeks out there in Real land, aren't there? I thought...? Er...?

Date: 2004-09-12 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cellia.livejournal.com
you could see he realizes he -has- to grow/change/become, and Harry will be still there.

I just didn't see him reach this point. Saw much shit he went through and he did, but I didn't really get the idea that he learned or changed or grew from it. *whines back*

THAT'S NOT HARRY, YOU BASTARDS, I want to scream :>

THAT IS NOT HARRY *NOW*. BUT IS A VERY POSSIBLE FUTURE HARRY GIVEN THE CONTEXT. RON HAS BEEN KILLED. HARRY IS IMPRISONED BY DEATH EATERS AND SLATED FOR DEATH. DRACO IS A DEATH EATER AND LIES TO GET SEXUAL FAVORS. THERE IS A WAR. I USE ALL CAPS!!! What I mean is, Harry's behavior makes perfectly good sense, and I find it quite believable extrapolated from his current personality (determined to do whatever it takes, not afraid to get hands a bit dirty), given the war and that they are post-Hogwarts. I felt like his tenderness with Draco was not so much a total pose, but more like... as much apology and real tenderness as he could spare given the circumstances (with some pity thrown in).

And I felt like it was less mental/emotional cunning than a kind of seduction/assertion of power--which I do think Harry has a kind of unconscious gift for, and that he'll probably become slightly more sophisticated about and aware of as he becomes older. The biggest problem with the fic to me was the last line "lights out"-- which rang a bit lame somehow, rather than tying things together as I think the writer wanted.

Hm. Batgirl. Batman is so way cooler. I don't want to be the female version, I wanna be 1.0. OH NO I JUST REALIZED HAVE NO FEMALE SUPERHERO ROLE-MODELS!!! DAMN YOU BIG 2!! (aka Marvel and DC). *weeps* *shakes fist* There is no help for it. I will have to stuff some socks in my shorts and you will have to glue on a mustache. It is the only way.

Or we could be villains. There are tons of cool Batman villains who are female.

Date: 2004-09-12 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
...I'll see what I can do. God, that fic has me by the throat :>

It's just... the tenderness that I have issues with. Harry can't stand Draco. Like, physical revulsion, ickickick MALFOY ICK COOTIES. It's very very hard for me to buy any sort of tenderness between them under any circumstances... but... with no impetus but necessity and 'seduction' as the only reasons... it's just, to 'seduce' he didn't need any. He could've bit Malfoy's lip and stroked him roughly and even messed him up a bit and (my) Malfoy would've totally gotten off on it. Harry didn't have to give an inch to seduce him-- he could've been forceful and full-on lustful (though unemotional!Harry freaks me out). More likely, he could've been just-- aggressive. Lust, anger, competition, weird emotional intensity... sure. Tenderness, though, implies letting down one's barriers a bit, though. Harry wouldn't do that with an enemy.

I totally want to put on a mustache. You realize, now we have to somehow actually do this ;)) I REALLY WANT TO, anyway >:D

Date: 2004-09-13 12:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cellia.livejournal.com
Tenderness, though, implies letting down one's barriers a bit, though. Harry wouldn't do that with an enemy.

The thing about Lights Out, though, is that they're grown up. Harry is no longer that hormonally imbalanced kid who could only have hate!sex with Draco (if that's even true of OoTP!Harry) or who sees all enemies in black and white. I mean, one could envision a Harry that didn't grow up like that (who know what JKR will pull?), but it would be very unlikely given the experiences he's going to have. And I think he sees Draco in the story as pitiful victim in some ways as well.

I think as soon as canon!Harry sees a recognizable faultline, he feels tons of protective sympathy--it just takes reaching that switch. Ron and his sandwiches on the train, Hermione needing saving from the troll, Luna and the stolen stuff (saving Ginny, telling Neville he's worth 10 of Malfoy...). But he then needs something positive in common or admirable to move beyond pity/sympathy into friendship and affection. (which is why I'm not sure if Luna is at the friend stage yet, but I think Neville has become one.)

So, I'm interested to see how JKR will handle the Snape thing actually, because the problem is that Snape has become human and sympathetic and Harry can't deal. He *needs* Snape to be the unfeeling invulnerable monster. I remember how *betrayed* I felt when it turned out that adults were people too. He doesn't want Dumbledore to be weak, Snape to be weak. They are supposed to be unalterable pillars of his world for good or bad.

Um, that got a bit off into a tangent...

Anyway.

So, in many ways, I often see Harry being tender toward Draco as a type of pity, and an acknowledgment of shared humanity.

In "Lights Out" it was... there was no need for violence. Harry's had enough of it done to him and probably done enough as well. It wasn't about punishing Draco or even fighting Draco. It was a regrettable means to an end, but the least *heh* sucky option of his available ones (Harry didn't kill him after all). And although Harry can certainly be aggressive, he's a *reactive* little chap. His aggression must be prodded into existence. Draco was being gentle--Harry reacts in kind. And the gentleness from Draco, that he feels pity for Harry, that's Draco's little bit of maturation.

Dude. I can't believe how much we have written about this fic.

As much fun as it is to read kinky sex for Harry, I've often had the thought that he'd really be totally vanilla and ideally want it with someone he loved and trusted. There's was a discussion of this somewhere with examples and character analysis and citing canon that would be more convincing than me just saying this, but I can't find it. bah.

I've been re-reading Ivy's old fics, I think she's got the tenderness dynamic down.

Date: 2004-09-13 08:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Oh, I totally think Harry's ideally vanilla. The thing about Ivy's fics is that her Harry always let down his guard around Draco, and her Draco was never really abrasive, and was easy to love, even after he betrayed Harry, I think. Ivy's Harry was generally kind and not that aggressive, and Ivy's Draco was completely (and I think, obviously) smitten. But yes, no one can write that sort of H/D like Ivy. Post-OoTP, she stopped writing it quite this way, btw ;))

Anyway, of course Harry -wants- tenderness; having it with Malfoy is another thing altogether, though.

As far as Harry having sympathy for people's faultlines... yes, I totally see that. I mean, this was much more pronounced in people's fics prior to OoTP, but I think that trait is still there in Harry; it's just that Malfoy would be more difficult to get him to 'see' than like, anyone else, possibly even Snape. Harry himself says it-- that no one deserved Snape's humiliation (i.e., not Snape) except Malfoy of course.

What it probably actually comes down to is that I can't (or really, don't want to) envision grown up versions of either Harry or Draco. It hurts my head to some extent. I see where you (and the fic, when I read it) was coming from, it's probably just a question of me not feeling at all 'connected' to or invested in that kind of Harry, maybe...??



Btw, I can never really even begin to envision Harry/Luna or anyone-but-Zacharias/Luna ever again. I've had an epiphany!
I dunno why no one has ever really caught on to this, but... it's like Mulder/Scully, omg!! I LOVE MY NEW HET OTP!!!1 (I just had to tell someone.) THEY COULD SO ARGUE FOR HOURS AND MY LUNA MUSE LIKES A BOY FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER OMG!!1 I WAS GIGGLING FOR LIKE 20 MINUTES LAST NIGHT, 'CAUSE MY LUNA WAS COMPLETELY ASEXUAL TILL TALKING TO ZACHARIAS, WHO IS SO CUTE AND DEBUNKS HER AT EVERY TURN AND CHALLENGES HER BUT DOESN'T DISMISS HER, OMG<3333333333333

My inner Luna is so 'taken' now :D :D :D :D
THEY PROBABLY WON'T EVEN KISS FOR MONTHS, BUT ZACHARIAS MAKES HER BLUSH SO MUCH, OMG!!1
See. No one else will talk to Luna on Luna's level, disbelieving her but taking her seriously, and Luna thinks she doesn't want that, but she does. She doesn't want to comfort anyone (in a romantic sense) and she DOESN'T WANT RON, WHAT THE HELL (not that he's not nice, and Harry's nice too...), and... most people just look at her strangely when she says things, and that's fine, that really is, but they think she's wrong and never tell her so, and she's a Ravenclaw, she wants to discuss and analyse. Zacharias just can't resist trying to bring her down to earth and showing how none of it makes sense, and Luna couldn't be happier!!1 They could talk for hours and never get bored. Wah. She feels like a normal girl, almost. She feels like... she's actually -talking- to a person about what -matters-. Ahhhhhhh SHE IS CRUSHING LIKE MAD, OMG.

Date: 2004-09-13 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
... wtf, Zacharias crush.

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Date: 2004-09-14 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I just read that Lights Out fic and. Uh. I completely hated it. Then again, it confirms my prejudices against people who like Harry AND Neville. And call them woobies.

Date: 2004-09-14 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Heh, well, that fic was rather mean to Draco, and not in the torture-and-kill him sort of way but just sort of that depressing way like that one I called 'realistic' where Harry sucked him off & then it meant nothing.....

But I didn't dislike it because of the mean-to-Draco bit (though that bothered me), I disliked it 'cause I think it was mean to Harry in a weird way, besides that OOC issue that may or may not apply. It's like... hmmm... well, it's not like Harry was a 'woobie' there, it's like... I just really couldn't sympathize with him (and considering this is -me-, I mean....) It might have been 'necessary', but the 'contented' noises pissed me off.

I dunno what exactly one was supposed to take away from it, really....

Date: 2004-09-15 05:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
that draco is a horrible human being, who deserves all the shit unfeeling/manipulative harry throws at him? unlike neville, of course. ahaha, actually, this may have given me further inspiration for the badass harry fic.

... not that i am thinking of killing off neville or anything.

btw, can we cut neville from putrid? unless it is to prove he's not the shit.

btw, you wrote a h/n fic some time ago and then i wrote a sequel to cheer myself up, but never showed it to you because i felt kinda ashamed. but neville fans who think draco is nothing but a little shit (thinking that is is a little shit + other things is acceptable) have pushed me past the limit of common decency:


The next day Harry came to sit on Neville's bed. Neville's heart beat faster and he remembered his tingling lips and hoped Harry would kiss him some more. But Harry just smiled in an embarrassed sort of way.

"I'm sorry, Neville, but I am really really bored by the fact that your concept of an exciting relationship is to think all day about how dreamy our tongue-less kiss was. I met Malfoy and he told me he hoped I chocked on Hermione's mud-polluted heart when he fed it to me, and it turned me on, so I hooked up with him. It's been good while it lasted. Bye."

Neville cried all night but nobody cared.

Date: 2004-09-15 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Heeeeeeeeeeee!!! you are so adorable :D
A woobie, even :)))!!1

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am victim of prejudice

Date: 2004-09-15 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cellia.livejournal.com
*calls Harry and Neville woobies*

Re: am victim of prejudice

Date: 2004-09-15 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
*persecutes you*

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