~~ stupid pairing rants. *smacks self*

[reenka]

there are few things lamer than ranting against pairings. i know this. believe me, trust me, understand me, i -know- this. every pairing is like an idea-- it may annoy me, but it is what it is, and it exists and i don't have to pay attention. it usually has a reason for existing-- just like everything else. people like it for a certain reason. usually that reason is some psychological predisposition to romantic fluffiness or kinky darkness or insane absurdity (hello, neville/squid). it's not that i would say, "let's go hug every pairing there is", but certainly, they mean no harm (the ideas themselves). they want to grow, prosper and multiply, like all memes, but it's not as if they're inherently "better" or "worse" than any other comparable idea/pairing. okay then.

that said, harry/lucius is annoying me today.

some part of me is begging the rest of me to get on my high horse and to natter about how obviously whoever ships harry/lucius cares nothing for harry, for what kind of person seriously wants a sixteen-year-old (or so) to be having this (almost certainly temporary) affair with the father of his school arch-rival, a confirmed death eater, a person who's never shown the slightest kind regard towards him and is unlikely to ever start? i mean, seriously, that's really fucked up.
    *smirks* yah. it's easy to say, "well, i'm just looking out for harry's well-being, here", but of course it's also easy to see how stupid that statement is. of course, this is the same person who wrote 2 (count 'em! two!) harry/cho fics for the sole reason that i imagine harry would thank me (awww, he has a crush on cho-- why not make him have what he wants? awww, the ickle w00bie, etcetc).

see, what i'm really sometimes apt to rant about in my head isn't a -pairing-, it's my imagined scenario where people pair harry (ickle, lovable harry! hee) with people who just aren't good for him! same for draco. it's like, they don't care about him and are merely satisfying their perverse lust (which you know, pot, kettle, obviously). this is seriously making me sound like a care-bear. this is why i'm rather mocking myself, here. i think it's just that i have a relationship with harry & draco-- partly voyeuristic & perverted, but partly, you know, affectionate. he's like my little fictional adopted brother. although, seriously, that's fucked up, considering all the smut. but the point is, i want him to be happy, and fulfilled, and emotionally healthy. i want him to get his heart's desire, to realize he's lovable and special and all that jazz, but also to break him out of his mental biases and to show him more of the world. i also want draco to well... flower. not be redeemed, just, nurtured more, challenged more.


    (this bit of ranting in response to dahlia_777's post referencing a h/s fic with lucius/draco as a side pairing.)
    has anyone noticed how even in fics that have nothing to do with draco, the writers always feel the need to do something with draco? like, pair him off somehow, with blaise, justin, blah blah, somebody. never even anyone realistic like pansy (like they do r/hr all the time, why not d/p, my -gahd- is it JUST because fanon!draco's hot and thus must be gay?), or anyone really silly and unusual like ron (ahahaah). it just really really annoys me.

i mean, rationally i know it's not in reaction to the idea of h/d (knowing the hegemony that is h/d exists and thus having to respond to it even if by implication), but i think subconsciously maybe it is. i've read enough h/s to know that they never, never, never once do justice to the harry & draco dynamic. it's as if harry & snape overwrite it or something. you know how harry & ron gets pissed on by most h/d fic? well that's the feeling i get with harry & draco and h/s fic. it's like snape somehow takes the place of draco, which he shouldn't since it's only in fanon that draco's with harry. and yet i feel this lingering presence, like a phantom limb, where you can almost -smell- the h/d.

maybe (probably) this is just in my head, but still. i guess i've just had bad experiences. possibly this is because h/s writers simply have a very different view of draco and don't care about him all that much, thinking he's a little twerp that may as well do the gay thing 'cause he's a malfoy (even though lucius is hotter, obviously). i keep getting this feeling like snape-love and draco-love are not all that compatible within most people.
    'cause like, snape's the mature, in-control, bitter one, with all the implied complexity of moral ambiguity and all that meanness carved down into a sculptured artform. whereas draco's the opposite, in a way-- immature, premature-ejaculatory, all-bark-no-bite, wannabe big mean slytherin who only manages to look pathetic and crass most of the time. (and yes, i'm well aware this is almost draco/snape-shippy of me, ahahahahahah!!) interestingly, a lot of fanon!draco's try to compensate for this by making draco more like snape-- more in-control, more icy and alluring and mature. ha. what they really want is snape, except aged down.
    actually, i myself like both draco & snape as far as personality types, i just don't want them confused, heh. and i don't think snape is shippable with anyone, though sirius, remus & lucius are all possibilities, they lack that certain something (and lucius, the poor man, i wouldn't inflict him on anyone except narcissa 'cause they deserve each other & james 'cause i'm so soppy). i'd ship him with lily but that's just way too tragic for me, thanks.

but yah. you get this sense that the harry/snape writers i've read don't really know what to do with draco, and yet there's this need to do -something- that i don't quite understand (just as i don't see why you have to "do" something with ron, and not just keep the relationship somewhat as is).
    i wonder if it has something to do with the possible need to mature harry in order to pair him with snape. there seems to be an inherent need to change the mindset here-- if you keep it as that of the naive, emotionally/physically reticent yet needy boy who -hates- his potions professor, you can't very easily segue into any sort of sexual relationship with said potions professor. you need to basically change harry at least somewhat-- have him grow up, otherwise the power imbalance becomes such that snape is abusing him, basically.

the thing with h/d is that you don't need to change anything-- he could still hate draco, still be reticent and immature and ejaculate prematurely in safety, knowing draco is just the same. (woo!!) they're -boys-. they can fuck even if they hate each other, they can be oblivious as to deeper feelings together (awwwww) and basically, they can mature together as their relationship progresses. but see, harry & snape -can't-, because snape should know better.
    anyway.
    so harry gets this new sense of aesthetics which suddenly involves greasy potions professors (god, harry sue, how i hate you-- although having harry suddenly adore pale hair and pointy chins annoys me too-- that whole, oh god, you're JUST MY TYPE phenomenon is rather sickening). what to do with draco?
    i've seen fics where harry's had a "fling" with malfoy (but malfoy was too immature for him-- *stabstabkillkill*). that's still better than suddenly-mature!harry being above the petty nuisance that is malfoy, and being able to rationally point out to malfoy the error of his ways. then there's the other option of happily-paired-off!malfoy. like, see, see? look, he's happily screwing someone else, isn't that what counts? malfoys are born to screw other men, apparently. plus there's this sense that draco's -a- malfoy. lucius becomes much more prominent because snape brings the older generation into the picture, and lucius is more interesting than draco anyway, -isn't he-?

my overall point is that draco has to be "out of the way", and there's no particular care as to which way he is. i mean, in h/d fics, you don't usually get snape with lucius or snape with sirius or whatever, just to get him "out of the way". he remains the scary mean potions professor (written for better or for worse). but if harry still had the same relationship with draco (taunting, hating, semi-obsessing, ie, what-would-malfoy-think), his new-found insight into slytherins would be compromised somehow, i guess. plus, snape is the -true- object of his hatred and interest.

all of this is understandable of course. ha. though plebey. funny how i didn't mention the incest or anything. 'course, to me it's all secondary to the basic, "but if you're doing it, you should do it for the `right reasons'" argument, which is lame but i can't help it. can draco/lucius even -have- "right reasons"? prolly not. i mean, it's perving no matter how you look at it. which is fine. and the idea of a "right reason" is stupid anyway. but i can't help thinking that the lucius-lust or snape-lust which is so blatantly obvious in say, lucius/whoever or snape/whoever is kind of, unfair treatment of the characters, or something. this extends to harry/draco if you write it 'cause of draco-lust or something. sigh. but none of this holds any water, objectively speaking, i know that. and yet......

disturbingly enough, treat characters -too- well, and you make them sappy and out-of-character and all melted into gooey puddles of over-sweet ichor. yuck! i am never happy, obviously >:D
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also, prillalar's response to the latest hp100 challenge kills me. just. KILLS me. ahahahah. oh god. i need to watch the matrix again >:D

Comments

[salazaar.livejournal.com]

Reenka ... I don't agree with your take on these pairings, but of course you're entitled to have them. But I don't think you've read the fic Dahlia has referenced, in which Draco is written very tragically and sympathetically, and the L/D is crucial to the plot. You don't have to like it, but it's not a question of the author "not knowing what to do with Draco" or hating him either. I don't think Sophie would even see this thread, since she's not involved in the H/D side of the fandom, but just in the interest of fairness I wanted to speak up.

Anyway, I agree with you that Snape-love and Draco-love don't seem to be compatible, and I can't figure out why. I think both of these characters are fabulous to write and think about, for different reasons. And of course I find it personally frustrating since most of the Snapeslash I write is S/D, which means that the H/D shippers think it's squicky and the Snapeslashers roll their eyes 'cos they loathe Draco.

Of course, there are exceptions, and I should note that given how few people write S/D there's really a high proportion of great fics out there. (Atalanta Pendragonne, for example. Mmmm.) But the pairing is never going to have the popularity of S/H or H/D (or even L/H), and it's interesting to speculate why.

I know some people would say that it's just not as complicated (and hence interesting) as S/H, but I don't think that's necessarily so. Snape is kind of like Draco's alternate father figure, but he's also someone who's loyalties are divided, and the potential for misunderstanding and even tragedy is to me just as interesting as the S/H dynamic. Yes, they're both Slytherins, but not they're not on the same side. Not necessarily.

A bunch of us had a long debate about this about a year ago, about characters and canonicity and you name it, and we finally just decided it was a question of aesthetics. Some people like black hair more than blond hair, I guess.

Anyway, I know you don't like either of these pairings, but I just couldn't stop myself from responding anyway. Sorry!!!

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

wah! no reason to be sorry! i love discussing, especially with someone who could point out how silly i'm being about some point i'm wobbly on knowledge of without making me feel dense overall~:)

and i mean, i may not like them, but i -am- open-minded enough to discuss and think about it, and perhaps even to read it, possibly maybe. i read ishuca's. *giggles* i have a d/s-reading badge, now :D

my feelings on h/l and d/l (which is mostly what i was thinking of), aren't really reality-based, and more instant reactions, you know? like you'd have a reaction to madame hooch/dumbledore, kind of, without reading any. heh.

there's more of a focus on "issues" and conflict and "how messed up and interesting can this get, and how complex the dynamic" rather than, as i was saying, trying to make the characters happy. which is my little shtick, as i was saying. not -too- happy so that it's sappy and one can't take it, just-- sort oflike fitting puzzle-pieces together. it's looking for that -perfect fit- that wouldn't take away and only add. or something.

obviously, i'm a hopeless romantic, but i mean, i -was- kind of self-mocking about it, at least ><;;

i'm sorry it looked like i was generalizing using a fic i hadn't even read. eep. -.- that was rather stupid of me. was just using the idea and running with it, not really thinking about the particular fic (which i should've, since i mentioned it in the first place). sigh. i'd read it, but i have such i huge backlog already, it's frightening -.-

i can see how d/s could have contrast, but it's not an -obvious- contrast. if you think about the sorts of things most people go for in romance (think of popular movies & books & tv, i guess), you'd see why d/s isn't more widely read. it's not really like any of your stereotypical romantic dynamics. i can't easily think of any couple they'd remind me of. if i had to try, it'd probably be something "in the past", like... some failed relationship you get referenced, on draco's part if he were to fall for someone really different.

for some insane (INSANE) reason i'm thinking of the movie `willow', and of the dark princess having an affair with one of the dark generals, back before she rebelled against her mother. and stuff. ahahaha. how messed up is that?? ha. but i was just seeing this love affair between differently-ranking soldiers in the Dark Army, anyway ><

and then of course, you have the -redeeming- romance with someone brash and heroic and sexy. hee >:D

it's just... the archetypes don't usually work that way. while it may be interesting, it's a specialized sort of interest, for those into those particular dynamics. it doesn't fit the "normal", stereotypical romance dynamic, like h/d does so spectacularly (yep, i'm typical), and to a lesser degree, h/s and even LESSER degree, h/l (which is a false archetypical match, really, 'cause lucius is in no way a romantic lead for harry in terms of epic romantic storytelling as far as i can tell, in archetypical terms).

and yah, i know about the thread. hee. i read it, as well as the rest of penelope's journal ;)

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[salazaar.livejournal.com]

That's a really good point about the appeal of different archetypes. I have such a firm D/S backstory that enters everything I write that I forget that its appeal is probably more limited than the appeal of the good guy/bad guy pairing.

(And now I get really wanky): But I think one of the reasons Draco is such a prat is because he doesn't have any kind of moral anchor. And Snape could potentially be that, except he's so morally confused himself. I love these kinds of stories about ambivalence and authority and all the different ways it can be perverted or abused (and not just by the person in the position of authority, either). Actually, now that I think of it, my very first smut scene in the fandom was exactly about this too. *facepalm*

Anyway, I have long given up hope of convincing people about specific pairings since at the end of the day, it's What You Like, you know? And I'm always finding myself suddenly enjoying pairings I had decided I'd loathed (like 99.9% of Lucius/Severus), when I find an author who does them well. Hell, I've read excellent Snape/Neville, and I just read a Harry/Cho that was amazing.

So I'm not going to try to convince anybody about S/D or L/D, particularly because the last one is such a major squick for most people anyway. But to be honest, I love L/D more than any other pairing, although the only person who really writes it the way I envision it should be is Olympia (and only in long-gone LJ ficlet entries, to boot). For me it's not so much the father-son stuff (which yes, is disgusting), but rather all the issues of power and abuse and control and rebellion, and the utter caprice of authority figures. Both of them are so fucking weak, and in ways that bring out the worst in each other. As Olympia once said, "Poor Draco, having Lucius as a father. Poor Lucius, having Draco as a son."

But we all mine different kinds of emotional territory in our fics, and your explanation of the kinds of emotions that tend to have the greatest appeal makes perfect sense to me. Unfortunately, I have no interest in making my characters happy, but I do love a good fluff fic as much as anyone else, if someone else writes it. Recently I decided that if there was only ONE never-finished WIP that I could magically force through to completion, it would be Dreams of Enchantment.

Yeah.

Anyway, thanks.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

hmm. i know what you mean (i -think-) about how draco needs what snape could give him, in terms of a steadying moral influence. but. um. see, this doesn't mean they have to have -sex-. *laughs* seems like a mentor/student relationship would suit equally well. i guess just because there's a potential interesting dynamic there, doesn't make it a -romantic- dynamic. like... in real life, say. would it most likely lead to these people kissing/shagging? i mean, probably not. not if they also had some sort of supportive relationship where it wasn't just that snape was using draco and draco was attracted to the abuse or whatever. or was himself somehow using snape.

and, i just thought i'd make the distinction between wanting characters happy and wanting fluff. maybe i should clarify that i want harry to end up happy, not to be happy in general. like, no one is always happy unless they're on drugs, heh. i love exploring all sorts of dark, disturbing reaches of the psyche, it's just-- since i care about him-- i have hope for him. i want him to be alright. i hope that doesn't mean i want fluff, y'know? i just want it all to be -for- something, to -mean- something, i want harry to win and not to -lose- himself in the process. i want him to find love that fulfills him, and i hope that doesn't make it depart from realism and go into fluff.

what i'd really want is something dark and challenging that eventually results/resolves into something more hopeful and fulfilling.
like, i want to see what you (or olympia) for instance could do with a draco/lucius backstory to an eventual h/d, say.
like, from the standpoint of, okay, that's all over and he's not in that place anymore, and this is his childhood/youth and he's almost a different person now, but draco would still have to deal with what his father meant to him, in many ways.

so say, after lucius' death, all this would come back to him in full force, and you could sort of weave these things together in flashbacks or something.
i guess i'm saying that none of it has to be exclusionary. i want love to be wide, to be able to contain many different things, many different possibilities for dynamics within the same relationship. that's why i love h/d, in part, because you could go so many different places with it and remain recognizably h/d.

hee. and i know what you mean about the surprising good stuff in all these weird pairings. though i still haven't branched out -that- much, and i still find that only my otp gives me that special burn. like, i only swoon when h/d kiss. and, well, ailei & khirsah's sirius/remus, 'cause obviously they're goddesses and i'm entirely at their mercy :D

[prillalar]

Interesting post, smart girl.

I'm not much into intergenerational pairings in HP so I'm not at all read in H/S (and not much read in H/D). But it seems to me that in H/S -- if it's at school, anyhow -- Draco has to be dealt with, not because of fanon H/D, but because of the likely complex Snape-Draco relationship.

snape's the mature, in-control, bitter one, with all the implied complexity of moral ambiguity and all that meanness carved down into a sculptured artform. whereas draco's the opposite, in a way-- immature, premature-ejaculatory, all-bark-no-bite, wannabe big mean slytherin who only manages to look pathetic and crass most of the time

This is lovely capsule characterization. I really feel that JKR shorts Draco by not giving him more depth and by doing so, shorts Harry. Harry deserves complex enemies since that makes him more complex too.

malfoys are born to screw other men, apparently

Well, um, yes.

You know, I think Draco is like Krycek. No matter if he's with women in canon, he's simply made to be gay and so, therefore, he is.

And after all the stuff I just posted about Adrian Mole, I think I understand how you feel about Harry. *sigh*

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

hmmmm... interesting point about the draco & snape having a relationship shift from h/s. probably, though it wouldn't occur to me 'cause i'm not sure what i think about the draco+snape relationship in general. i mean, i know there's all that favoritism and such, but exactly what the personal stake is (if any) is unclear. it'd be cool if jkr ever clarifies this point and there -is- some sort of hidden relationship there. 'cause it's not like he favores -all- slytherins equally to malfoy. perhaps he -has- to favor malfoy for the symmetry to work 'cause -harry- pays attention to malfoy. hmmmmm. plus, lucius seems to have more clout and resources (and plot references!) than any other parent save the weasleys, so hmmmm. there is definitely... something.

and, ahahahah! draco-as-krycek!! that KILLS me!
i can actually -see- what you mean about gay!krycek and GODDAMN IT i'm all pervertified now since honestly, i've never thought about it before. *weeps*

i am the -last-, last, last thing from a krycek/mulder shipper 'cause, you know, mulder/scully!! OTP!! ahem. but. yah.
draco is definitely ...er... that sort. except i still think draco/pansy makes sense 'cause even if he IS, i doubt he'd be obvious about it, and more likely repressed. they're 15/16! i'm sure he's having major issues and angst. he maybe gay-as-a-pink-elephant, but if he was openly so, he'd lose major clout in slytherin. probably, anyway -.-

[pink-faerie.livejournal.com]

*cackles*

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

:P!!
I WAS NOT PUSHING DRACO/PANSY I WASN'T I REALLY WASN'T !!11!1!!!1!


*DENIAL*!!11!1

*laughs*

[pink-faerie.livejournal.com]

It is so growing on you. AHAHAHAHA.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

ow! ow! CANCEROUS GROWTH!! YOU LAUGH AT MY PAIN!! ><

it is not growing! it is SPREADING!!
and no. it's just. all in the name of realism. realism, i tell you!!

[pink-faerie.livejournal.com]

Come on, it can be cute.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

heee. my d/p for you is kind of cute. ^^
and waaah. must not go online! must...! write...! fic...! for...! k.!
hee. am bad, bad, procrastinator person.
oh god it's 1:30 already. i'm not writing this fic, am i. I SUCK SO MUCH ><;;
and it's 4 days too late already!!!

and, the reason the everyone ignores pansy's angst is 'cause no one really cares about pansy since she doesn't really have that much of a personality in canon, does she. muwahahahah.
plus, it's het, man. het. you're in the wrong corner. why do you hang out with slashers, you het-loving weirdo? ahaha. you'll wait for a long time for the true like of d/p to come to pass.
although one-sided d/p makes a lot of sense to me 'cause i'm all about the pansy!angst. when i stop being all about the h/d!smut. which, lemme tell you, is NOT OFTEN. ahahaha. ahem.

[pink-faerie.livejournal.com]

HEY NOW. I can hang out with who I like, Mmmmmmmk? And anyway, I made friends before I even knew that fandom was a place with corners and politics and weirdness. I just met people and they happened to be slashers. PLUS. I can do slash. I can. I love Lucius/Severus and Lucius/Draco as much as the next person. So bleee.

And no she doesn't have a personality. But neither do a lot of the charas people write fic with. You can have fun that way and not be called on being uncanon. I love pansy!angst. Mm.

[prillalar]

I was a NoRomo up til the very end, when I had "final ep Shipper conversion". Mostly it was M/Sk I was on about. But I didn't sneeze at M/K. And then there was K/P, K/Sp, etc.

*ahem* Got stuck in the past there.

Yeah, I agree that Draco/Pansy makes sense -- it's just not very titillating. But angsting-closeted!Draco/Pansy might be. Hmm.

And now I'm all interested in the Harry/Snape + Draco-Snape dynamic. But I'm damned if I'm going to write Harry/Snape just to work it out.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

so i'm taking it that you had an interest in krycek, you're saying~;)
i'm so narrow-minded, i guess. usually, i dig the main characters and that's it. the only major series i can think of where i seriously dig the non-major characters would be buffy. (ANDREW!! JONATHAN!! even willow). i guess you could say draco counts, but. i mean, they'd have to be paired with a major character, usually. for me to care.

i'm like the -anti- random-shipper person. i dunno what that says about me. that i'm staid and boring? heh. -.-

i wonder if h/s affecting the draco+snape relationship means it'd also have to affect the harry+draco relationship. hmmmm. i mean, by this logic, yah, kind of. like, harry being with snape and snape having a relationship to draco, would have to affect the harry&draco dynamic. but how? hmmm. would draco tease him less? differently? would a new light come into his eyes?

there's really only one fic that deals with this that i can think of, and it's really lame 'cause its draco is in love with snape and then he kills himself 'cause he can't stand harry & snape together. there isn't any major interaction between harry & draco though i think the antagonism goes away. somehow. and by the end harry feels sorry for him. hee. though strangely, this doesn't mean i wanna see a double-pairing h/s & h/d fic. 'cause i mean, like -that's- ever gonna happen. that's beyond slash and into "alternate universe where no laws of reason & logic apply". plus, a harry that'd go for snape wouldn't go for draco, and vice versa. sad (or not-so-sad) but true. sigh. i'm so stubborn in that i always have to secretly write my otp even when thinking of writing something else. like, even if i never mention it, it has to be there in my head as the secret truth to come.

which is why closeted!d/p makes such perfect sense to me. the one d/p i wrote (http://www2.expecto-patronum.net/reenka/_hardon.html) so far was like that. though, you know, it was mostly smut >:D

[prillalar]

I wasn't all that into Krycek, per se, though I understood how people could be. And all the on-screen M/K UST didn't hurt. *g* (Buffy/Spike was M/K all over again, except with on-screen fucking.)

When I get into a show, normally I like it *in spite of* the main character, rather than because of him/her. (Millennium being the massive exception here.) I never really liked Mulder (though I loved Scully). I don't really like Buffy all that much. I don't like Angel. Ally irked me.

I tend to get attached to minor characters. *Very* attached. And I have, or used to have, anyhow, a reputation for pairing them off in weird ways. One of the things I like about HP is there's lots of scope to mix and match.

So, now I'm thinking Snape should get some play in H/D. That would be interesting. But first, you'd have to work out what the Snape-Draco relationship really was.

But I could see Snape talking seriously to Draco, trying to dissuade him. And becoming suspicious.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

i think the whole main-character thing isn't because i so like the personalities of all these characters but rather just that i'm a passive viewer, mostly. i take when i'm given, and just decide whether i like it or not. it's only since slash that i started really playing around with the world in my head. i sort of wanted to write fanfic before, even, but couldn't. i really loved that particular universe, but that didn't mean i could recreate it with any sort of integrity. i think it's because as a writer when i was 13-19 (the bulk of my tv-watching), world-building and characterization were always unconscious. i suppose i did it, but i didn't think about it. having ideas about the characters in my mind didn't seem to be enough. i -wanted- to write star trek fic-- i read dozens upon dozens of commercial star trek fic-- but i couldn't write it worth anything. i couldn't encompass it. and the non-major characters bored me 'cause i didn't know enough about them to care, strangely enough.

hee.
and the whole "disapproving snape" thing is actually a cliche in h/d fics, btw. he's always threatening harry and being protective of draco and telling draco that he should know better and so on. all that quasi-fatherly stuff with a large dose of potter-hatred. he usually directs it at harry, 'cause draco is usually hard to budge and harry actually cares about things other than what he wants-- ie, draco's larger well-being, and snape uses that.
even in h&d friendship fics like `draco veritas', you have snape trying to break them apart and caution draco and act suspicious and distrustful towards harry. hee.

[pink-faerie.livejournal.com]

T.T Reena. I know you are online. You were on AIM for o.5 seconds. how dare you tease me. *HATE* Am I the only one that sees the Pansy!angst potential in the onesided D/P thing? *sniffles* It's always Draco, Draco, Draco.