Ahh, another day, another seme (this time in 'Motto Midara ni Shitsukemashou', a BDSM-ish sorta manga) that is 'strange and kind of cold' towards his uke for some unknown reason (he wants more BDSM?? I'm guessing). And it got me to thinking about how yaoi is partly (maybe even mostly) so addictive to me because it (like most shoujo) has these cold-ass frozen-hearted boys that do inevitably melt at least a little from the amazing powah of the uke's TWUE LOFF. *___* I mean, yeah, I know what a pathetic cliche that is, and I know how badly done it is most of the time in fanfic with characters that don't fit the mold at all (like Snape or Draco in HP, Brian in QaF), but....
The thing is-- the thing is, it's hard to really even talk about the classic idealistic view of romantic love without talking about How Love Saves Us. I think it's like, the variants of the Icy or Thorny/Lonely Heart (tm) really just make the saving more literal and more dramatic. Meaning, while love can and does save anyone and there are as many ways to need its so-called healing power as there are people, there's something pure (in the sense of Platonic forms and Agape love) about the person needing to be saved because without love, they're literally lost or they've either never really experienced romance/love before or have turned their back on it consciously.
It all started when I was little, and my favorite fairy-tale love-story was probably Andersen's 'The Snow Queen' (and maybe still is, though it's a toss-up depending on my mood & which one I'm thinking of at the time). I think that's actually one of the only times -ever- I've read something that uses this trope in a way that's literarily defensible. That scene at the end where Gerda weeps and literally melts the ice in Kai's heart (in one translation) has permanently stuck with me since the first time I read it. I think Andersen had a way of writing about deep emotional truths without being overly meta or preachy or stuffy, which only left the reader with that pure, transcendent sense of eucatastrophe Tolkien wrote about in his famous 'On Fairy Stories' essay. Ever since then, perhaps I've been trying to recapture that feeling of joyous release in stories with somewhat similar themes (and mostly failing).
In any case, most of the time the whole idea gets a bad rep because most of the time it's not written anything like Andersen.
But anyway... then I moved on to girlish crushes on distant and 'cold' love objects like Sherlock Holmes & Spock, and in my adolescence I don't remember any particular romance out of all the ones I read that really stuck with me. Well, unless you count a tiny bit of shoujo anime (more precisely, Please Save My Earth, which made an extreme impression on me at 17 or so).
I do think there's something tempting in seeing this emotional arc in stories not explicitly cut out for it the way yaoi/shoujo manga often is; there's a reason 'silly fangirls' don't just stick to their predictable custom-made romances, and it's because of that 'predictable' part. In reading something like a yaoi manga, generally we know the melting is merely a matter of time, willy-nilly, the seme can't escape our collective clutches. The Power of the Uke compels him!
It's only when watching a show or reading a story not explicitly guaranteed that the transformative magic really happens (the way Andersen's stories weren't because he was a writer who wasn't afraid of tragedy, but also the way QaF or HP or
ms_manna's Administration series isn't guaranteed because it's not 'pure romance' and also because Toreth is so seriously emotionally handicapped). Something implicit within the melting-heart scenario requires that moment of truth, that overcoming to be genuine and therefore against all odds. The odds have to seem against it for it to seem near-miraculous when the iced-over character melts (or starts on the road to meltage), so romance genre (or yaoi manga) stories have an intrinsic handicap & 'normal' stories with more 'stand-alone' or realistic characters an immediate advantage.
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So I guess I want to defend fannish readings using that cliche (even though it so often leads to ridiculous badfic and OOCness), because-- well, because I personally do empathize and because the nature of the beast requires quite a bit of twisting that's really hard to do in any kind of story.
Also, I want to defend the validity of 'wishful thinking' sort of readings just because I think it's an innate and natural part of the experience for a certain [idealistic] temperament of reader. Fiction exists to be taken subjectively, so on one level arguing for the 'true' interpretation of a character (beyond factual debates) seems wrongheaded; note, I'm not denouncing the existence of ICness as a concept and not saying I suddenly support OOCness, 'cause you know I don't if you know me at all. :> Ideally (...heh) you should be able to support your reading using canon as a springboard, but here we're talking about the -quality- of a particular reader's writing in terms execution rather than the theory of such response itself.
I mean, okay, imagine if 'The Snow Queen' was a popular fanfiction/original fic online serial being put out today (haha). I'm sure a lot of the more 'canon-whorish' readers would defend to the death their reading of Kai as irredeemable-- like, look, he just is the way he is, and if you're writing him as transformed by the power of Gerda's innocent love(!!) you're just being a silly OOC-writing fangirl.
And okay, um, in that sense 'The Snow Queen' isn't the best example 'cause actually the whole story does build up to the ending & Gerda's whole quest involved 'saving' Kai (she just had no real idea how and it was more that she just wanted to find him & get him physically away), but the point is that it's -supposed- to be dire and it's -supposed- to fool you. That's why people seem like utter fanatic believer freaks-- because in that sort of story, faith is what gets rewarded, and the rationalists who say 'but that's how he is [now]' get their come-uppance.
Obviously, I mean, part of the reason 'The Snow Queen' can work and your average (more realistic) fanfic/theory about Brian/Toreth/whoever doesn't is that in the end, Gerda succeeded through magic as well as 'Teh Powah of Pure LOFF'. The whole thing was suffused in metaphor, symbol and just-- magic, so a more 'normal' narrative isn't going to get that kind of suspension of disbelief or leeway in general. Even I admit that I want to see -how- things work out in fanfic, and not just be handed a deus ex machina type transformation where everything's suddenly okay after all the dire build-up literally 'by magic'. To me as a 'sophisticated' adult(??!) reader, rational explanations come off as respecting my intelligence while glib platitudes or magic tricks just annoy me as though they cheated.
So I guess the situation is, my tastes become more discerning and demanding as my basic desires about what I want to see remain unchanged since I was but a wee little girl who really identified with Gerda. Oh man, did I :>
The thing is-- the thing is, it's hard to really even talk about the classic idealistic view of romantic love without talking about How Love Saves Us. I think it's like, the variants of the Icy or Thorny/Lonely Heart (tm) really just make the saving more literal and more dramatic. Meaning, while love can and does save anyone and there are as many ways to need its so-called healing power as there are people, there's something pure (in the sense of Platonic forms and Agape love) about the person needing to be saved because without love, they're literally lost or they've either never really experienced romance/love before or have turned their back on it consciously.
It all started when I was little, and my favorite fairy-tale love-story was probably Andersen's 'The Snow Queen' (and maybe still is, though it's a toss-up depending on my mood & which one I'm thinking of at the time). I think that's actually one of the only times -ever- I've read something that uses this trope in a way that's literarily defensible. That scene at the end where Gerda weeps and literally melts the ice in Kai's heart (in one translation) has permanently stuck with me since the first time I read it. I think Andersen had a way of writing about deep emotional truths without being overly meta or preachy or stuffy, which only left the reader with that pure, transcendent sense of eucatastrophe Tolkien wrote about in his famous 'On Fairy Stories' essay. Ever since then, perhaps I've been trying to recapture that feeling of joyous release in stories with somewhat similar themes (and mostly failing).
In any case, most of the time the whole idea gets a bad rep because most of the time it's not written anything like Andersen.
But anyway... then I moved on to girlish crushes on distant and 'cold' love objects like Sherlock Holmes & Spock, and in my adolescence I don't remember any particular romance out of all the ones I read that really stuck with me. Well, unless you count a tiny bit of shoujo anime (more precisely, Please Save My Earth, which made an extreme impression on me at 17 or so).
I do think there's something tempting in seeing this emotional arc in stories not explicitly cut out for it the way yaoi/shoujo manga often is; there's a reason 'silly fangirls' don't just stick to their predictable custom-made romances, and it's because of that 'predictable' part. In reading something like a yaoi manga, generally we know the melting is merely a matter of time, willy-nilly, the seme can't escape our collective clutches. The Power of the Uke compels him!
It's only when watching a show or reading a story not explicitly guaranteed that the transformative magic really happens (the way Andersen's stories weren't because he was a writer who wasn't afraid of tragedy, but also the way QaF or HP or
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So I guess I want to defend fannish readings using that cliche (even though it so often leads to ridiculous badfic and OOCness), because-- well, because I personally do empathize and because the nature of the beast requires quite a bit of twisting that's really hard to do in any kind of story.
Also, I want to defend the validity of 'wishful thinking' sort of readings just because I think it's an innate and natural part of the experience for a certain [idealistic] temperament of reader. Fiction exists to be taken subjectively, so on one level arguing for the 'true' interpretation of a character (beyond factual debates) seems wrongheaded; note, I'm not denouncing the existence of ICness as a concept and not saying I suddenly support OOCness, 'cause you know I don't if you know me at all. :> Ideally (...heh) you should be able to support your reading using canon as a springboard, but here we're talking about the -quality- of a particular reader's writing in terms execution rather than the theory of such response itself.
I mean, okay, imagine if 'The Snow Queen' was a popular fanfiction/original fic online serial being put out today (haha). I'm sure a lot of the more 'canon-whorish' readers would defend to the death their reading of Kai as irredeemable-- like, look, he just is the way he is, and if you're writing him as transformed by the power of Gerda's innocent love(!!) you're just being a silly OOC-writing fangirl.
And okay, um, in that sense 'The Snow Queen' isn't the best example 'cause actually the whole story does build up to the ending & Gerda's whole quest involved 'saving' Kai (she just had no real idea how and it was more that she just wanted to find him & get him physically away), but the point is that it's -supposed- to be dire and it's -supposed- to fool you. That's why people seem like utter fanatic believer freaks-- because in that sort of story, faith is what gets rewarded, and the rationalists who say 'but that's how he is [now]' get their come-uppance.
Obviously, I mean, part of the reason 'The Snow Queen' can work and your average (more realistic) fanfic/theory about Brian/Toreth/whoever doesn't is that in the end, Gerda succeeded through magic as well as 'Teh Powah of Pure LOFF'. The whole thing was suffused in metaphor, symbol and just-- magic, so a more 'normal' narrative isn't going to get that kind of suspension of disbelief or leeway in general. Even I admit that I want to see -how- things work out in fanfic, and not just be handed a deus ex machina type transformation where everything's suddenly okay after all the dire build-up literally 'by magic'. To me as a 'sophisticated' adult(??!) reader, rational explanations come off as respecting my intelligence while glib platitudes or magic tricks just annoy me as though they cheated.
So I guess the situation is, my tastes become more discerning and demanding as my basic desires about what I want to see remain unchanged since I was but a wee little girl who really identified with Gerda. Oh man, did I :>
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Date: 2007-02-24 02:51 pm (UTC)I'm talking more about a meme, really, less than the actual myth. But, if you want to get into oversimplifying, all discussions of a myth will ultimately be oversimplifying because they will fail to take into account individual reactions, and everyone will twist it to their own purposes. So I mean, I think the human psyche is already inherently possessing its own darkness.
I don't believe in censorship, really, but as I see it from your perspective, what people are complaining about is how there are destructive interpretations of certain myths, which they believe people take as models for their lives. Like you can say these are misinterpretations, but who's to decide that which individual interpretation is the misinterpretation and which is the true one? Of course, banning them is probably not the best way to redeem them... it seems that the modern solution is retelling them.
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Date: 2007-02-25 12:43 am (UTC)It isn't so much that there's one 'true' interpretation and one false-- that's part of my point, really. It helps to know the history & context of a myth (which is more objective) and take it in that context as much as possible before decrying it as harmful. Memes -are- different 'cause they're distillations that don't necessarily have one specific source; but if there's a large constituency (like teenage girls) that's attached to a meme & consumes various stories that perpetuate it-- I think one should once again look at it in its complex real context rather than just label it as harmful or positive either way.
I do agree that it seems people retelling them is how they deal with changing cultural climates and changing needs for the story. I think they were made to be retold though, on some level, 'cause that's how they stay vital and alive, really :>