[mmm, girl!anti-heroes....]
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reenkaMan... I'm rewatching my BtVS Faith vids on a whim, and of course it's reminding me how awesome Faith is, so I'm trying to think of women that I think are hardcore as much as she is [in fandom]. And. It's difficult -.-
All I'm coming up with is Scully (don't laugh!!), Arya (well, there's a GRRM fandom), and well, there's Willow & Buffy in BtVS too (as well as other 'solid' female characters), but I'm less thinking of 'good strong female characters' & more... really COOL, hardcore female characters that are totally as badass, selfish & violent as the guys (or as coolly rational & competent, whatever). Y'know, girls that make you starry-eyed. Uh. Not the most objective measure in the world, I realize ^^;; Buffy herself is sort of like that in my head. Ginny in HBP is sort of a bad parody of a girl like that :)) I love the type, though, when they're more like Faith (more honest about being hardass, I mean) and less like Ginny, I guess. Though I like Ginny. -.- I used to make my Pansy like that, but people have told me she's OOC enough times that I'm like 'uh... oh well' :))
Oooh, McGonagall is like that :D :D :D She doesn't make me starry-eyed (most of the time), though -.-
Hm. There are lots in obscur(ish) books which I like, since I tend to read books with female leads, but they don't get fandoms, really. Maybe I should finally watch Veronica Mars?? Heh. Then I suppose there's Zoe in Firefly, but I've only watched the movie so I can't be sure. Also, I suppose maybe you can go with Amanda in Highlander; Eowyn from LoTR sorta fits except she's just badass without being cool (I DON'T KNOW, OKAY). I think that bit of darkness/angst (not relationship angst!!!) in them is also necessary to make them 'on par' with the boys-- if they're just 'tough chicks', then it's like... meh (though still good!) It's like, to make them romantic (in a Byronic-heroine sort of way, ahahahahahaokfjladkfjaslk), they'd have to have their... y'know, twisted soul or whatever. Not that... Scully would then qualify, 'cause... notsomuch with the angst. But. Still badass, plus she used to be my hero -.-
Really, there's no one I can immediately think of who's 'romantic' in the way Faith (and to a lesser degree) Buffy are in fandom. Dark and badass and complex and bitchy and yet heroic (walking the line between that & anti-heroic). Too few female anti-heroes! Dammit. *sniffs* Unless you want to count Catwoman, and WHY NOT. There you go. Catwoman :D :D :D :D (...sort of... although come to think of it, this is a lot more common a character-type in comics, maybe.) Also, um, maybe Death (from Sandman) and... Rose Walker?? Sort of. Heh. Definitely Lilith, but now we're leaving fandom behind entirely, though there's always the Lilith in Lucifer (the comic), but... I didn't especially like her-- or more importantly, find her romantic, which is the problem with most of the others, too. ^^;; In Lucifer, I'd say Mazikeen is more what I'm talking about... though she doesn't make me starry-eyed either, she's a lot closer to 'The Real Thing' than the rest I'd mentioned, to me. Mazikeen just needs a bit more... internal turmoil and a liiiittle less stoicism to make the leap to 'Badass Romantic Anti-heroine'.
Okay, if I had to think in terms of fictional archetypes, I mean the Dark Temptress-type woman most common in Fatal Attraction-like hetero love-stories, y'know... the darkly beautiful dangerous woman pulling the hero down below the lake. BUT! I'm bored with that cliche if it's pure, and I like it a lot more when the darkness isn't all centered on seduction (hopefully not at all on seduction, 'cause I pretty much hate Vivien/Morgan Le Fay), and -that- is rare. A Femme Fatale that doesn't use her 'womanly wiles' as her main weapon? Shhyeah. But. That's what I like :P Besides, Femme Fatale types tend to be portrayed from the male pov, and the poor innocent/vulnerable boys don't tend to see the vulnerability inside the woman. Possibly, it's like, there's not supposed to BE any real vulnerability-- she's just... y'know, the Black Widow spider, etcetc. But that's boring. I want the girl to be a girl, all conflicted and passionate and intense and badass... *sigh* Faith. *______*
...In other news, I finally watched ep 1 of The Sentinel today. And MAN. I can't believe I actually enjoy the show almost as much as the fic. I mean, they're pretty, but it's so cheesy & lame but I CAN'T HELP IT 'cause it's like... you can already tell it's About Jim & Blair-- like if Brian/Justin is sex-without-commitment, here you have aaaaall the platonic commitment EVER, just no sex. I think I actually prefer the latter :D Though if you know me, you know I only mean 'in small doses', y'know, ahahah.
All I'm coming up with is Scully (don't laugh!!), Arya (well, there's a GRRM fandom), and well, there's Willow & Buffy in BtVS too (as well as other 'solid' female characters), but I'm less thinking of 'good strong female characters' & more... really COOL, hardcore female characters that are totally as badass, selfish & violent as the guys (or as coolly rational & competent, whatever). Y'know, girls that make you starry-eyed. Uh. Not the most objective measure in the world, I realize ^^;; Buffy herself is sort of like that in my head. Ginny in HBP is sort of a bad parody of a girl like that :)) I love the type, though, when they're more like Faith (more honest about being hardass, I mean) and less like Ginny, I guess. Though I like Ginny. -.- I used to make my Pansy like that, but people have told me she's OOC enough times that I'm like 'uh... oh well' :))
Oooh, McGonagall is like that :D :D :D She doesn't make me starry-eyed (most of the time), though -.-
Hm. There are lots in obscur(ish) books which I like, since I tend to read books with female leads, but they don't get fandoms, really. Maybe I should finally watch Veronica Mars?? Heh. Then I suppose there's Zoe in Firefly, but I've only watched the movie so I can't be sure. Also, I suppose maybe you can go with Amanda in Highlander; Eowyn from LoTR sorta fits except she's just badass without being cool (I DON'T KNOW, OKAY). I think that bit of darkness/angst (not relationship angst!!!) in them is also necessary to make them 'on par' with the boys-- if they're just 'tough chicks', then it's like... meh (though still good!) It's like, to make them romantic (in a Byronic-heroine sort of way, ahahahahahaokfjladkfjaslk), they'd have to have their... y'know, twisted soul or whatever. Not that... Scully would then qualify, 'cause... notsomuch with the angst. But. Still badass, plus she used to be my hero -.-
Really, there's no one I can immediately think of who's 'romantic' in the way Faith (and to a lesser degree) Buffy are in fandom. Dark and badass and complex and bitchy and yet heroic (walking the line between that & anti-heroic). Too few female anti-heroes! Dammit. *sniffs* Unless you want to count Catwoman, and WHY NOT. There you go. Catwoman :D :D :D :D (...sort of... although come to think of it, this is a lot more common a character-type in comics, maybe.) Also, um, maybe Death (from Sandman) and... Rose Walker?? Sort of. Heh. Definitely Lilith, but now we're leaving fandom behind entirely, though there's always the Lilith in Lucifer (the comic), but... I didn't especially like her-- or more importantly, find her romantic, which is the problem with most of the others, too. ^^;; In Lucifer, I'd say Mazikeen is more what I'm talking about... though she doesn't make me starry-eyed either, she's a lot closer to 'The Real Thing' than the rest I'd mentioned, to me. Mazikeen just needs a bit more... internal turmoil and a liiiittle less stoicism to make the leap to 'Badass Romantic Anti-heroine'.
Okay, if I had to think in terms of fictional archetypes, I mean the Dark Temptress-type woman most common in Fatal Attraction-like hetero love-stories, y'know... the darkly beautiful dangerous woman pulling the hero down below the lake. BUT! I'm bored with that cliche if it's pure, and I like it a lot more when the darkness isn't all centered on seduction (hopefully not at all on seduction, 'cause I pretty much hate Vivien/Morgan Le Fay), and -that- is rare. A Femme Fatale that doesn't use her 'womanly wiles' as her main weapon? Shhyeah. But. That's what I like :P Besides, Femme Fatale types tend to be portrayed from the male pov, and the poor innocent/vulnerable boys don't tend to see the vulnerability inside the woman. Possibly, it's like, there's not supposed to BE any real vulnerability-- she's just... y'know, the Black Widow spider, etcetc. But that's boring. I want the girl to be a girl, all conflicted and passionate and intense and badass... *sigh* Faith. *______*
...In other news, I finally watched ep 1 of The Sentinel today. And MAN. I can't believe I actually enjoy the show almost as much as the fic. I mean, they're pretty, but it's so cheesy & lame but I CAN'T HELP IT 'cause it's like... you can already tell it's About Jim & Blair-- like if Brian/Justin is sex-without-commitment, here you have aaaaall the platonic commitment EVER, just no sex. I think I actually prefer the latter :D Though if you know me, you know I only mean 'in small doses', y'know, ahahah.
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Date: 2006-11-18 08:01 pm (UTC)Ain't nobody more hardcore than that girl. Nobody.
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Date: 2006-11-19 12:05 am (UTC)