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reenkaThing #1: I finally have Teh Internets at home!!1 D: Sadly, this is not really a good thing, 'cause I'm a rotten stinkin' net addict. Or more like, fanfic & meta-browsing & manga-downloadin' addict, 'cause I barely surf these days, BUT ANYWAY. Yes. Now I'll have to put in more effort to go outside, is what that means.
Thing #2: Reading this rant on the nature of-- well, the idiocy of most fandom discussions, I realized that there's nothing that makes me happy in quite the same way as someone who's both eloquent, intelligent and precise (...precisely delineating why it sucks that fandom tends to be neither eloquent, intelligent or precise). *sigh* I ramble and ramble and ramble, and wish I could sum things up (like, THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH X: 1, 2, 3, 4, thank you, class dismissed) in pithy little darts of dreadful clarity, but.
Aaaanyway, it just made me realize that this divide (like between the masses chanting 'BUT FIC IS NOT REALITY! BUT FIC IS NOT REALITY!' & the rest of us grouchy over-analytical types going 'SHUT UP! SHUT UP! OR MAKE A DECENT ARGUMENT AND -THEN- SHUT UP!')... anyway, it struck me how funny it is, 'cause... Like, it's totally personality-driven. Certain types of people will tend to believe one sort of thing about a subject, other types will believe others. Cross-overs and conversions would probably feel about as weird as seeing that X-Files/Sentinel cross-over-- like, you could almost see it, BUT IT'S STILL WRONG, somehow. I dunno. Um.
The funny thing is, what -I- mean by 'this is incorrect' isn't necessarily what people may mean by -saying- it, and I realize that-- I mean, the statement 'fic is not reality' is so broad & imprecise that it can have several different applications. You -could- just mean 'well, I'm not harming anyone' (which... DUH) or you could mean that and also 'so none of the rules of plausibility should apply' (which... arguable, at the least). The thing that bugs me is really the implied value-- 'let's throw away reality'-- which is liberating in small doses and in a purely kinky/sexual context, but wildly creatively stifling (to me) in a creative context, which I realize is the opposite of its intent. If fic is not reality, it also has no relevance to reality, which means I cannot fully deal with all my feelings/issues/beliefs which actually stem from the intersection of reality, fantasy/dreams & inner self, which... is what I'm into, so. Without reality there, to me dreams are paltry, anemic things soon to die of starvation. Having people just... generally never get that? REALLY frustrating.
I am babbling -.- Suffice it to say, few things make me want to tear the heads off chickens (...so to speak) like people saying 'leave me alone, I can do whatever I like because [fan]FICTION IS NOT REALITY'. Heh. Can we say 'over-invested'? No denials here. As I was saying in the comments to my last post earlier, possibly the thing that peeves me the most in fandom-- that's behind almost anything else peeving me-- is that feeling like most people don't care about the values/ideals/concepts I care about in writing/reading/etc. It's probably different for analytical types, who're just frustrated people don't see THE TRUTH, because, like, we CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! :D I mean, that annoys me, but I accept it on an intellectual level a lot easier.
...I want to do a little meme but suspect no one will care or respond. But. It's not really a meme if it's not so much with the interactive & more with the navel-gazing & list-making, right.
Always:
1. daydreaming
2. enthusing
3. reading
4. avoiding
5. doubting
6. keenly feeling
7. over-analyzing
8. wondering
9. believing
10. battling windmills in a pissed-off sort of way.
DIE WINDMILL DIIIIIIEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.... that sort of thing.
* * *
Never:
1. well-organized
2. 100% convinced... just 99.9999%
3. perfectly indifferent
4. a grown-up
5. the things I'd imagined I would be
6. fully satisfied
7. someone who no longer loves the world
8. someone who refuses to understand
9. self-disciplined
10. agreeable
Thing #2: Reading this rant on the nature of-- well, the idiocy of most fandom discussions, I realized that there's nothing that makes me happy in quite the same way as someone who's both eloquent, intelligent and precise (...precisely delineating why it sucks that fandom tends to be neither eloquent, intelligent or precise). *sigh* I ramble and ramble and ramble, and wish I could sum things up (like, THIS IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH X: 1, 2, 3, 4, thank you, class dismissed) in pithy little darts of dreadful clarity, but.
Aaaanyway, it just made me realize that this divide (like between the masses chanting 'BUT FIC IS NOT REALITY! BUT FIC IS NOT REALITY!' & the rest of us grouchy over-analytical types going 'SHUT UP! SHUT UP! OR MAKE A DECENT ARGUMENT AND -THEN- SHUT UP!')... anyway, it struck me how funny it is, 'cause... Like, it's totally personality-driven. Certain types of people will tend to believe one sort of thing about a subject, other types will believe others. Cross-overs and conversions would probably feel about as weird as seeing that X-Files/Sentinel cross-over-- like, you could almost see it, BUT IT'S STILL WRONG, somehow. I dunno. Um.
The funny thing is, what -I- mean by 'this is incorrect' isn't necessarily what people may mean by -saying- it, and I realize that-- I mean, the statement 'fic is not reality' is so broad & imprecise that it can have several different applications. You -could- just mean 'well, I'm not harming anyone' (which... DUH) or you could mean that and also 'so none of the rules of plausibility should apply' (which... arguable, at the least). The thing that bugs me is really the implied value-- 'let's throw away reality'-- which is liberating in small doses and in a purely kinky/sexual context, but wildly creatively stifling (to me) in a creative context, which I realize is the opposite of its intent. If fic is not reality, it also has no relevance to reality, which means I cannot fully deal with all my feelings/issues/beliefs which actually stem from the intersection of reality, fantasy/dreams & inner self, which... is what I'm into, so. Without reality there, to me dreams are paltry, anemic things soon to die of starvation. Having people just... generally never get that? REALLY frustrating.
I am babbling -.- Suffice it to say, few things make me want to tear the heads off chickens (...so to speak) like people saying 'leave me alone, I can do whatever I like because [fan]FICTION IS NOT REALITY'. Heh. Can we say 'over-invested'? No denials here. As I was saying in the comments to my last post earlier, possibly the thing that peeves me the most in fandom-- that's behind almost anything else peeving me-- is that feeling like most people don't care about the values/ideals/concepts I care about in writing/reading/etc. It's probably different for analytical types, who're just frustrated people don't see THE TRUTH, because, like, we CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! :D I mean, that annoys me, but I accept it on an intellectual level a lot easier.
...I want to do a little meme but suspect no one will care or respond. But. It's not really a meme if it's not so much with the interactive & more with the navel-gazing & list-making, right.
Always:
1. daydreaming
2. enthusing
3. reading
4. avoiding
5. doubting
6. keenly feeling
7. over-analyzing
8. wondering
9. believing
10. battling windmills in a pissed-off sort of way.
DIE WINDMILL DIIIIIIEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.... that sort of thing.
* * *
Never:
1. well-organized
2. 100% convinced... just 99.9999%
3. perfectly indifferent
4. a grown-up
5. the things I'd imagined I would be
6. fully satisfied
7. someone who no longer loves the world
8. someone who refuses to understand
9. self-disciplined
10. agreeable
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Date: 2006-11-07 06:32 am (UTC)