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So um, I started to read this post about Houses & Hufflepuff in particular and how one seems to be Sorted according to desire rather than ability, and there was this quote about Harry:
   Similarly, sneaky, snarky, sly Harry with his Parseltongue and his ambition *values* nobility of spirit, loyalty, and derring-do, so he ends up in Gryffindor.

...And I just sort of went, SQUEAL!!1 MY BABY!! <333333333333

Er, yeah, I do have a point besides to just yell yet again about how much I adore my Harry <3<3<3<3<3<3 (Excuse me for a moment...)

But anyway! What I really want to see happen-- what I'd love to organize if anyone was seriously interested & wanted to help me-- is a Harry fanart/fanfic fest. Like, slash, gen, het-- doesn't matter, as long as it's Harrycentric & about acknowledging his different facets rather than just woobifying him, y'know. He's -not- just a cute doofus or someone who's oh-so-obvious & wears his heart on his sleeve; neither is he -all- sly & calculating & jaded and while he may be attracted to the Dark Arts, he's unlikely to ever make the conscious decision to break his own moral code anytime soon. Though he could do rather chilling things if he thinks or feels at the moment it's For The Good (whether it's feeding Dumbledore the potion or beating up Draco on the Quidditch pitch).

So!

Would people be interested in a post-HBP Harry fest like the [livejournal.com profile] sirius_loving thing? Like, uh, [livejournal.com profile] harry_loving just sounds -odd-, but. Yeah. I do mean 'loving' as in -love-, not as in 'sexing Harry up' or 'giving Harry orgasms', because there are lots of fests that do that already. Neither do I mean simply 'making Harry happy', because it's not like I'm looking for an outpouring of fluff (*shudder*). I just want Harrylove, whatever form it takes, as long as it's an honest and generally positive portrayal.

It seems worth doing since I do feel he's at an interesting turning point at this time in canon, too, and there's lots of directions for Harry genfic to go, actually. Or slashfic that took awhile to uh, to get slashy, say. Whee.
    (Needless to say, I'd be willing & inspired to write for it myself, eheheh.)
    Although I'm serious this time, and don't want to get my hopes up for nothing like with the hugfic challenge thing-- so tell me if you really are interested.

I mean, there must be enough Harrylove in fandom to pull this off, right...?

...right?

Date: 2005-12-09 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loftily.livejournal.com
I love Harry so much :((((( But I have no time! He will have to be happy enough from the hugging, okay?

Date: 2005-12-09 01:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loftily.livejournal.com
Which, about that, I am sorry. I am still writing it! I am!

Date: 2005-12-09 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loftily.livejournal.com
Also, because when I spam I spam for real, I like your layout. ♥.

Date: 2005-12-09 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Heeeeeee! That was so sneakily calculated to get you to give me an update ;) ;)!! :D :D
But yeah, uh, I believed in you :D I mean, I'm still 'writing' my novella too (if by writing you mean thinking about writing and by thinking you mean something rather abstract that doesn't take up a lot of mental space, but....) ♥ It does occur to me that it's sucky timing, but it's not as if it'd have to be due anytime soon :-? (Why do I always forget to mention these things).

Also, yeee! ♥ Thankies. Though, uh, it's only like 40% done but of course I'm impatient so put it up in its raw state anyway ^^;;;

Date: 2005-12-09 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahtales.livejournal.com
Weeell, I do have to admit after HBP my Harrylove is at an all time high.
So is my Harry!fear, of course, which may say terrible and disturbing things about my psyche.

Date: 2005-12-09 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
...Is that like a 'maybe, if you bribe me right'...?? eheheh.
I really appreciate you even ambiguously commenting though, since we all know where your true allegiances lie and-- well the thought of a Dracolove fest did occur to me but then I thought of Draco/Cedric/Krum and ran away :>

Alas, mah boy is growing up <3 Though for me I shall always be too besotted to be like 'ahaha... he's really scary sometimes, isn't he -.- -.-'

Date: 2005-12-09 05:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
he's unlikely to ever make the conscious decision to break his own moral code anytime soon.

Errr...yeah, most people don't do it consciously. They just see exceptions.

Date: 2005-12-09 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Generally, it only bothers me when people write it as if Harry -had- no internal moral code but was rather following other people's ideas all the time. *snorts* If you can sell it as being entirely internally consistent, and yeah, probably through an 'exception', then that's fine (though I lovelove dark!Harry, most people just are really bad at writing him). Though the point of the fest would be to take the positive view on his behavior in general, it being all lovey-dovey and everything :>

....But, judging from the response so far... ahahah -.-

Date: 2005-12-10 02:29 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Generally, it only bothers me when people write it as if Harry -had- no internal moral code but was rather following other people's ideas all the time.

Wow. That's pretty weird. I'd say Harry is like the opposite of that. If anything he needs to get a little flexibility in his internal moral code. Up till now it seems like it's pretty much driven him through life!

I mean, he does often do hypocritical things, but that's the natural thing that a kid his age does, because he's still at the age where compromise is like selling out. But I don't know where anyone would get that he's just listening to others.

Date: 2005-12-10 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Hee! So you feel my pain! Well, you'd feel it even more if you read that second fic I linked in my last post, but~:)) Yeah, it was that one. I always really hate it when Harry 'betrays' his own principles (I've actually seen it more than once!) because he realizes he's been someone's puppet or something, anything from Dumbledore to the Wizarding World in general to... I dunno, there are variations on a theme o_0 o_0 WHY PEOPLE, WHY??! *sigh*

Actually, there seem to be a number of people who think Harry's Dumbledore's errand-boy & does/believes things just because Dumbledore says so-- and while he certainly listens to Dumbledore (and Hermione) more than anyone else, my god-- yeah, the puppet thing really gets to me. I've never really seen it where Harry does something -negative- as an exception to his moral code where it wasn't shown to be positive in the story, if that makes sense. Er. I mean, when he's thinking about it, not when he's just being sadistic/carried away/angry ('cause he does all sorts of things then.)

Like say, Draco's a Death Eater and on the run and Harry releases him & then joins him-- so goes against his principles-- because-- because-- he's tired of doing what the Wizarding World expects him to do and it's like he was doing it on automatic! Oh man.

I mean, I can see anyone becoming disillusioned, but if one loses the entirety of one's inner drive, one still doesn't lose one's basic associations with other people-- in fact, that's why post-war jaded!H/D works so well, because as jaded as Harry gets, Draco would still be likely to ping him in the old way. So just seeing him suddenly dropping everything -including- his attitude towards Draco just kind of heaped insult onto injury with me :>

Date: 2005-12-10 03:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Actually, I think Harry can certainly have a big "I've been a puppet!" moment in a fanfic--but it's just that it's going to be about not knowing what was going on, not thinking that he's always been wrong to, like, think Voldemort was bad, you know? Because I think Harry is attached enough to his own ideas of right and wrong you *could* get some good stuff out of his realizing he'd been manipulated so that he wasn't doing what he thought he was. Sort of like how Voldemort manipulates him to go to the MoM in OotP. It's just that it's not Harry going against what he's believed really, just that he learns things weren't as they were. Like, if he found out Dumbledore was really the bad guy all along, he wouldn't decide to stop trying to be good, he'd just be upset that someone he thought was good was bad.

Actually, I guess that's kind of the plot of PoA.:-) He *has* been a puppet in that he's believed Peter's framing of Sirius, but when he learns the truth he's still the same.

And yeah, I totally see what you mean about post-war H/D. Especially since Harry doesn't really know Draco, so he might be an easier shift.

Date: 2005-12-10 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Well yeah, I should've specified-- what bothers me is the context of 'a puppet in his judgments' in specific, not misinformation, which can definitely be a plot point (rather than a characterization point, anyway). Sometimes the line between misinformation & ethics becomes blurred I suppose, but then Harry's not that flexible off-hand-- if he did change his mind about something really basic in his worldview, it'd involve struggle and resistance until/unless he was presented with good enough evidence (like with PoA plot and Sirius, yeah). He's not going to just... have this big moment of... um, insight into himself very easily, if that insight is how he's been wrong to have followed the path he did because(!) he was really following other people(???!) and their expectations. Harry's just not a guy who gives much of a toss about people's expectations as far as I can tell (that'd be more Ron & Hermione in different ways, but Harry?I really don't think he feels he answers to anybody in the end).

But yeah, that's central-- 'when he learns the truth he's the same'. So he wouldn't escape or join the 'other side'-- he'd be on the front lines, -being- the other (third?) side, because that's just Harry. If he decided what he was doing was wrong, he'd charge like a bull again, just in the other direction. ^^;; I really don't see his self-righteousness going away that much if he's going to remain anything like himself.

I feel that people play with 'controversial' takes on Harry for shock effect and speculativeness-- and that's fine-- but they never give enough credit to just how hardass Harry is about whatever he believes, and how that's not anyone's doing but his own. I'm just really tired of people portraying him as either a totally straight-and-narrow goody two-shoes who wouldn't touch Slytherins with a ten-foot pole -or- someone who's self-consciously(!!?) following the image of the Golden Boy and Wizarding World Savior and is actually sick and tired of all that morality bullshit and just needs a good shag with Draco to push him over the edge into seeing everything anew.

You know, for being the main character, there's also surprisingly little fannish thought, creative or meta, given to Harry as a character (and not Harry-the-narrator or Harry-the-lover or Harry-the-foil-to-another-character) that I see. But maybe that's just 'cause I avoid most fandom discussion anyway :>

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