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Dec. 4th, 2005 09:21 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
reenkaOkay, so now I'm officially entering a renewed flare-up of obsession with Hana Yori Dango, which ties with Please Save My Earth for my favorite shoujo series, all 'cause of the new Japanese live-action drama. Argh. But now I feel all wibbly :/
This post made by a person who'd just finished the HYD manga & hated Tsukasa ('cause he's a psychopath) really hit home hard.
Because. I'm incapable of disliking Tsukasa, really, no matter what he does or how much of a bastard he is, because it was always obvious to me how vulnerable and needy he was, and I -know- that's a sucky reason to forgive someone's assholish actions, but I can't help it. Now I feel there's something wrong with me, perhaps, even though I agree that the shoujo line of 'dependence is a good thing' is crap. Of course it's crap; it's not like I'm justifying it, it's just that I can't bring myself to dislike semi-psychotic needy ill-socialized (male) characters because they're really not good for anyone.
I dunno, I just feel so conflicted, because I think it's impossible to like characters like Tsukasa (the quintessential idiot-asshole/adorable-doofus-obsessive type, basically) if you're going to see them in a blatantly cold light.
Perhaps I shouldn't trust![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
sub_divided's analysis because she has a blatant bias -and- she says she likes Rui better (Rui, who was never right for Tsukushi and who was basically a coward when it came to emotional things! but that's my issue). Love isn't about who's the 'better person', though. I really dislike thinking like that. It's not like there should be a contest for who's 'good enough' for the main character; not in a 'well, this one is less psychotic, so--' sort of way.
All right, FINE fine I'll admit it, I always go for a certain kind of needy love, usually when one partner needs the other (usually the boy needs the girl in shoujo manga) and the girl is sort of a role model for him but she likes him because she sees him in ways he cannot see himself-- so it's not that she needs him but that -she- genuinely finds him attractive as a person by the end. And, okay, I can easily find Tsukasa attractive as a person, psychosis or no. It's like, he doesn't need to win any contests with me. I dunno.
Funny that she listed Kodomo no Omocha and Kare Kano as 'exceptions' to the 'dependence is bad' rule, because those are some of my other favorite shoujos. Now that I think of it, every favorite romance, slash or het, I've ever had sort of has a needy guy as the driving force o_0 Omg, it's true o_0
...I really do feel bad for being unfeminist or... something -.- Because, like, it means I'm immature and don't care about long-lasting balanced relationships and only focus on what's most intense and demanding and insane. Uh. I have no comeback to that, but! That's what high romance is all about, damn all you reasonable types!!1 AAAAARGH THEY WILL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER ANYWAY!!1 *cries*
People who seriously say things like, Doumyouji and Tsukushi will never really get over one another, but dude, in shoujo manga, you never really get over your first love anyway, i.e. I can so cop out by using that excuse, all to justify having two people fall apart because they're not 'healthy'... ahhh, they hurt my soul. Yes. HURT MY SOUL. HMPH. SO THERE.
They wouldn't say that if they'd been in love like that themselves. Would they?? I know I'm projecting but that's just callous when you -have- been in love 'like that' and it's hell trying to get over it and just being pragmatic is the worst thing. I hate pragmatism (sometimes more than others, but). Die pragmatism, DIE AND BITE MY SHINY WHITE ASS. >:O
...Also, even if you say the Paradise Kiss manga is more 'realistic' on the whole 'assholes don't win in relationships' point-- I still really felt bad for George and not the girl he basically traumatized somewhat with his emotional stuntedness, because if she really loved him she'd have been more patient with him, and if (if, if, if) she was stronger she wouldn't have allowed him to be that much in control of things. I mean, the world is full of ill-socialized needy assholes who basically don't deserve the girls/boys who love them on any rational basis, but!! This doesn't mean they should be left alone so that 'normal' people can be happy!! Not even if they say they 'want' to be alone, which they never do. Like, never, because by definition they're -needy- assholes. *sigh*
It's like, I read romance stories of this sort largely to see the unlikeliest of transformations, yes, but that's what I want. I don't want it 'cause it's easy, likely, or realistic, but then when is desire any of those things--?? See, I'm not immature, right, I mean. I'm just different :P
(And I actually agree withsub_divided that love should really transform without dependence, without needing the other's continued presence-- but even when the dependency isn't there, the love remains. It's that whole thing where it becomes, 'it's not that I love you because I need you-- it's that I need you because I love you'.)
This post made by a person who'd just finished the HYD manga & hated Tsukasa ('cause he's a psychopath) really hit home hard.
Because. I'm incapable of disliking Tsukasa, really, no matter what he does or how much of a bastard he is, because it was always obvious to me how vulnerable and needy he was, and I -know- that's a sucky reason to forgive someone's assholish actions, but I can't help it. Now I feel there's something wrong with me, perhaps, even though I agree that the shoujo line of 'dependence is a good thing' is crap. Of course it's crap; it's not like I'm justifying it, it's just that I can't bring myself to dislike semi-psychotic needy ill-socialized (male) characters because they're really not good for anyone.
I dunno, I just feel so conflicted, because I think it's impossible to like characters like Tsukasa (the quintessential idiot-asshole/adorable-doofus-obsessive type, basically) if you're going to see them in a blatantly cold light.
Perhaps I shouldn't trust
sub_divided's analysis because she has a blatant bias -and- she says she likes Rui better (Rui, who was never right for Tsukushi and who was basically a coward when it came to emotional things! but that's my issue). Love isn't about who's the 'better person', though. I really dislike thinking like that. It's not like there should be a contest for who's 'good enough' for the main character; not in a 'well, this one is less psychotic, so--' sort of way.All right, FINE fine I'll admit it, I always go for a certain kind of needy love, usually when one partner needs the other (usually the boy needs the girl in shoujo manga) and the girl is sort of a role model for him but she likes him because she sees him in ways he cannot see himself-- so it's not that she needs him but that -she- genuinely finds him attractive as a person by the end. And, okay, I can easily find Tsukasa attractive as a person, psychosis or no. It's like, he doesn't need to win any contests with me. I dunno.
Funny that she listed Kodomo no Omocha and Kare Kano as 'exceptions' to the 'dependence is bad' rule, because those are some of my other favorite shoujos. Now that I think of it, every favorite romance, slash or het, I've ever had sort of has a needy guy as the driving force o_0 Omg, it's true o_0
...I really do feel bad for being unfeminist or... something -.- Because, like, it means I'm immature and don't care about long-lasting balanced relationships and only focus on what's most intense and demanding and insane. Uh. I have no comeback to that, but! That's what high romance is all about, damn all you reasonable types!!1 AAAAARGH THEY WILL LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER ANYWAY!!1 *cries*
People who seriously say things like, Doumyouji and Tsukushi will never really get over one another, but dude, in shoujo manga, you never really get over your first love anyway, i.e. I can so cop out by using that excuse, all to justify having two people fall apart because they're not 'healthy'... ahhh, they hurt my soul. Yes. HURT MY SOUL. HMPH. SO THERE.
They wouldn't say that if they'd been in love like that themselves. Would they?? I know I'm projecting but that's just callous when you -have- been in love 'like that' and it's hell trying to get over it and just being pragmatic is the worst thing. I hate pragmatism (sometimes more than others, but). Die pragmatism, DIE AND BITE MY SHINY WHITE ASS. >:O
...Also, even if you say the Paradise Kiss manga is more 'realistic' on the whole 'assholes don't win in relationships' point-- I still really felt bad for George and not the girl he basically traumatized somewhat with his emotional stuntedness, because if she really loved him she'd have been more patient with him, and if (if, if, if) she was stronger she wouldn't have allowed him to be that much in control of things. I mean, the world is full of ill-socialized needy assholes who basically don't deserve the girls/boys who love them on any rational basis, but!! This doesn't mean they should be left alone so that 'normal' people can be happy!! Not even if they say they 'want' to be alone, which they never do. Like, never, because by definition they're -needy- assholes. *sigh*
It's like, I read romance stories of this sort largely to see the unlikeliest of transformations, yes, but that's what I want. I don't want it 'cause it's easy, likely, or realistic, but then when is desire any of those things--?? See, I'm not immature, right, I mean. I'm just different :P
(And I actually agree with
sub_divided that love should really transform without dependence, without needing the other's continued presence-- but even when the dependency isn't there, the love remains. It's that whole thing where it becomes, 'it's not that I love you because I need you-- it's that I need you because I love you'.)
