(quiz meta. yes, I've sunk that low.)

[reenka]

Ahahah, this is the blurb for the 'Draco' result in the silly quiz for the Hogwarts male I'm supposedly most compatible with (Oliver, because clearly he's the most obsessive): "Spoiled by his father, this is a boy used to getting exactly what he wants-- including you. He'll demand everything he wishes of you, and you do it gladly because his blond aristocraticness and arrogant nature is like Viagra to you. If you don't do as you're told, you'll be punished-- possibly just what you are wanting, so expect to be spanked once in a while, submissive minx!"

Now... I quoted all this (not just) to make everyone feel my pain, I promise! Though normally I would rage and vow to myself to finally start that Holy War against top!Draco once and for all... I realized that really, this blurb contains an important clue for the... rather odd way of thinking that produces that frightening beast. Yes, a clue!

Everything seems to follow from the first statement, that he's "a boy used to getting exactly what he wants". And then something dinged! in my head-- because isn't it obvious that's the exact opposite of the truth? I mean... that may be the root disagreement between the top & bottom!Draco fanciers! Is it possible? Perhaps we of the bottom persuasion believe that of course Draco had never gotten what he wanted ever since he started Hogwarts-- meaning, those small things like getting on the Quidditch team in second year cannot compare to continuously losing in Quidditch against Potter, and Slytherin always losing the House Cup, and Harry basically humiliating him personally at the end of fourth and fifth years, and so on. How can you say that Draco's being coddled at home at times (and even this isn't constant, as the Borgin and Burkes scene shows) completely overwhelms his at-school experiences?

Basically, perhaps we of the bottom persuasion (yes, I like saying that) see Draco's arrogance as a put-on, because the facts of his life show that he doesn't really have it easy-- though he could have, if he weren't so ambitious and obsessed with being on top. But then, he wouldn't be so obsessed if he actually was on top, right, or conversely if he was any good at attaining said position of dominance.

Actually, no, I take all of this back-- there's no real room for 'disagreement' in this scenario-- it's unavoidable that any vision of pure spoiled-and-arrogant-aristocrat!Draco is AU, something that might have been true if Harry didn't exist and a large chunk of canon never happened. And I'd say, well-- fine, someone can be sexually dominant especially because they're such a loser in their real life, but then it seems a lot of people who like top!Draco believe that his arrogance and spoiledness are what makes him that way...? I'm not sure if it's even possible to honestly see actual canon this way; I'm confused. My first instinct is to say, no, it's impossible, Draco is too obviously a bad guy that gets his all the time-- so how can you see him as being on top of his game? Er?

Really, I suspect I'm miffed partly 'cause I think that quiz secretly wanted to tell me Draco's my ideal sexual partner, ahahah, 'cause who's the most obsessed boy in Hogwarts??

Lemme tell ya, it's not Oliver Wood. (Though I think Harry gives Draco a run for his money where Voldemort and his parents are concerned, but let's just not go there....)

Comments

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

Though normally I would rage and vow to myself to finally start that Holy War against top!Draco

Top!Draco Jihad? *sporfle* XD XD Whatever. I think he's cute when he's on top. He can be like a smug ferret cat or something. And uke!Harry is really adorable sometimes. In that totally indulgent-fandom-non-IC-way of course. XD

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

See, in my mind there's a huge gulf between saying Draco 'can be top sometimes 'cause it's cute' & implying he is that way by nature & purpose (as in, 'because he'd been spoiled as a child') therefore justifying a kink. I mean, porn is generally hot because of diversity as much the same kink being hit-- so basically there's no set rules anyway. I think by defining a character in whatever flippant way you're going beyond porn, though, y'know? ^^; So I quibble.

A Jihad, yes >:D If only I wasn't too tired....
*uses the other icon just for some diversity* :>

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

Okay then, how about if I justified bottom!Draco with "because he was spoiled as a child ie- lazy ie- doesn't want to do all the hard-top-work"? Would that be better?

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Ahahah my brain huuuuurts~:))
Uh... yeah, as long as you don't justify sexual behavior with uh... things that aren't true about the character... uh... yeah... -.- ahahaha
Your example is kind of hard to prove or disprove :-? He might or might not be lazy, though my guess is that Lucius wouldn't have let him be lazy as a child, buuuut the whole 'spoiled' thing is just such a can of persistent worms. Is it 'canon' that he's spoiled? Yes and no, as far as I can tell, and it appears moreso by his mother than his father, who doesn't seem the affectionate type, BUT THAT'S JUST ME.

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

Well, daddy's not the affectionate type to me, but will still buy schnookums (And his team) new Quidditch brooms if the bitch whinges enough, as well as having a nice horseybird killed as well. It's because the boys actions are kind of like an extension of daddy (or at least, this is how it goes in my head) and a reflection of the Malfoy name that he does the spoiling, rather than any actual love & affection he has for the boy. Y'know, not spoiled out of love but something else like family pride and compensation or something. BUT THAT'S JUST ME!

*uses different icon just for diversity's sake*

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that's why I see it as 'yes & no', 'cause it's clear that Lucius uses money to er, smooth the way for his son but I wouldn't say that Draco's spoiled in the sense that he 'gets everything he wants', as some people seem to mean it, I guess. So that you could say he's got a whole philosophy of, 'well, if I want it, I get it, 'cause I'm a Malfoy, bebe'. It's more like... 'if I can convince daddy it suits his purposes, I get it', which is actually more like my own experience with an indulgent-but-really-strict parent. And I wouldn't call myself 'spoiled' in essence while growing up because one starts taking the things one has for granted and remembering all the things that went wrong or one didn't get instead. (Am I really comparing myself to Draco?? The world has come to an end.)

You know, I really wanted to make a post about something other than my Draco issues, but on the manga front is like... bleargh... porn... pretty... pretty porn! And look, some is in color...!

...I really need to get a paid account again, don't I -.-

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

Heh, I'm currently reading "Koi wa Ina mono Myouna mono" which made me think of you (messed up fumbling boyz and all XD). It's not as pretty as some other ones I'd like, but it's hilarious, with much use of the term "a gay".

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Koi wa Ina mono!! Aaaahh!! Taishi Zaou!! <3<3<3<3<3 How I adore her. *weeps* Heheh she was my first favorite yaoi mangaka <3<3<3 I saw this artbook at my friend's house and fell in mad passionate love. Like... before (http://reenka.expecto-patronum.net/art/taishizaou18.jpg) & after (http://reenka.expecto-patronum.net/art/taishizaou19.jpg), teehee. So insanely cute! Aaah! Maybe (...definitely) I'm not objective anymore or anything, but... waaaah, she's got some of the most interesting expressions I've seen, and her style's so sharp & clean... waaahhhhh.... And her stories are so cutecutecute!! I mean, there's only Electric Hands & that manga she did with Eiki Eiki, Color... but still!

Heheh this way I found out it actually has an extra chapter released when I checked, so yeay! >:D
...I sort of sporfle anytime I see 'a gay' (or 'a Japanese', ahahaha). Strangely, I never see 'a homo'. I love it when they say 'homo', it seems so Japanese somehow o_0

*cries* I hate when random bots/people(??) on irc are mean to me :(( :(( :(( MEANIES!!
/tantrum

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

Haha! He grows up! How cute ^^.

"A homo" is always a good one, and yes, very Japanese. I think I've seen it somewhere, but I can't remember where. It's like "the gay". *pats you and gives you a cookie for the tantrum* Yes, they're so mmmmmmeeeeeeaaannnnnnn!!111oneeleventytwo Draco would agree with you and all. Everyone is so mean to him, poor suffering drama queen bitch boy.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Actually, I very rarely see 'gay' 'cause I think it's an uncommon translation and I suspect that they actually do say 'homo' in Japan, like 'yo' <3<3<3<3<3 (Why are these two things connected in my head? I can totally see Tsukasa from Hana Yori Dango-- my ultimate 'yo' boy-- saying 'homo' ^^;; ...God I amuse myself. -.-)

No, but see, no! She's got a script that calls people 'moron' for breaking a rule they had no way of knowing was being inforced :(( I mean, it doesn't matter, not like I wanted to leech from her anyway. But randomly calling people morons makes you a MEANIE POO!!1 *earnest stare*

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

What was the rule your broke, anyway?

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Nah, I think lj only eats less-than-threes at the end of lines, like so: <3

...? Heh No, seems fine in preview... er... maybe it's random :-? Hm.

Well, it's kind of embarrassing, ahahah. Um. There's a bot function on channels called "@find", and only stupid newbies generally use it, and it's usually banned, but some channels allow it... anyway, I never used it, really. So this one person used it to @find `Only the Ring Finger Knows', which I knew was licensed & no group I'd heard of had scanslated it & I'd never seen it, but maybe some had... anyway, I was just so curious I couldn't resist, so I @finded it too. Only one person had it(!!) but then they immediately signed off irc :(( Anyway, then some random person/bot who wasn't even serving on the channel at the time (and thus shouldn't have been affected...??) messaged me to say I'd been banned from leeching from them, and not to @find licensed stuff, 'moron' :P :P

It'd been fine, EXCEPT FOR THE PART THEY CALLED ME A MORON :P heh ^^;;

[notrafficlights.livejournal.com]

Ahh yeah, @find. I just avoid using it in all circumstances (the few times I ATTEMPT to download off IRC), even though sometimes it really sucks to look for shit you want. I didn't even know that there were some channels that allowed it.

Let's see if this works.... <3 ARGH! It doesn't like my lessthanthrees T_T... *second preview* Oh... now it does.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

...But...but! ...It was still mean *pouts* That's what counts ^^;; Plus I was -really- just curious.
I guess curiosity banned the leecher.

*plop* ^^;;

[lasultrix.livejournal.com]

Hmm. I can just about (it's a stretch) see Draco behaving in precisely the manner of "a boy used to getting exactly what he wants-- including you." But I wouldn't believe it. He'd be acting that way as over-compensation... and I certainly don't see that overcompensation being taken to the point where a girlfriend would have to be a submissive minx who doesn't mind getting spanked once in a while.

Draco's not somebody used to getting what he wants. That's just clearly Not What's In The Books.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

That stuff about 'behavior' made me wonder if that's what people are seeing...? Is it really the gulf between actual action & reasons for the action? Sort of like 'well, Draco acts cold & prissy except when he's upset' becomes 'he's cold & prissy because he's just icy like that'. I mean, deciding what to believe is a matter of analysis rather than clear fact, I guess...? 'Cause I'm just trying to understand where people are getting this stuff ^^;;

Technically, you can't really claim a psychological defense mechanism (over-compensation) is canon when it's not a pov character & such. Though that bit about him getting what he wants all the time is just ridiculous, so there's that. I think... whether one can take Draco in a careless-smug-aristocrat sort of way depends on how much you read into his actions, maybe? It's gotten difficult to truly see him in a surface sort of way, after all this analysis, and I suspect more analysis isn't going to provide a new first impression. Le sigh.

[sistermagpie.livejournal.com]

Well, you know that's probably one of my biggest pet peeves about Draco, when people describe him as someone who always gets what he wants. It's one thing to come up with a few instances where he doesn't get what he wants, but he's literally DEFINED in the books as NEVER getting what he wants, even on the smallest level. The few times he thinks he has it turns to shit.

Let's face it, the kid spends five books of canon taking it up the arse, aristocraticness and arrogant nature and all!

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it sort of... boggles me -.- I suppose I'd say it's surface reading, except saying he's a completely loser in the literal sense uh... is also a surface reading, so I dunno.... The other thing that might be likely is that people over-identify with Gryffindors/Harry and Harry's paranoid Draco's really on top so he can never beat him enough~:))

Man, that last sentence is sad, but I have to tell you it made me feel warm & fuzzy ^^;;; I can never decide if I want Draco to win or if he's just too cute on his back, teehee ><
<-- meanie