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I suppose at times like this I'm almost tempted to tell my story.

And, in a lot of ways, it's the story of a girl who hated the world.

The way so many people feel about the country right now-- I know very well how that feels, because I'd felt it about the whole planet during my entire adolescence. And I don't even know where to start explaining it, and it's not that I'm saying 'you have no right to feel this way', but it's just so painful to me, having all those memories of hating everything brought back, and just feeling, basically... y'mean this is news? Y'mean people thought things were really okay before?

When I was growing up in inner-city Brooklyn New York, every single aspect of my existence sucked, and I blamed it on The System, on the Way The World Worked, on the way people didn't think and were complacent sheep, on the way being an atheist was more ridiculous in America than being a fundamentalist Christian, on the way money seemed to rule everything, on the way that the school system didn't care about gifted introverted kids or really educating us so much as herding us 'safely' and checking our guns and knives at the door. I was seriously afraid of extreme disaster striking at any moment-- what with the incessant small-scale war in Croatia people thought might explode into WW3, and global warming, and overpopulation, and basically, stupid people everywhere. And remember when we thought random thugs could buy nuclear weapons from Russia and blow up New York City...? Yeah. Also, High School in NYC really sucked and I really doubted the existence of intelligent life in the -world-, forget the country.

I knew I hated society when I came to school the first day of 10th grade, and suddenly there were guards at the door, checking my backpack for weapons; I knew then it wasn't going to get better.



At age 15, I knew I hated society (and the majority groupthink that drives it) when I heard about how forests are being razed for the oil corporations, how several priceless species are dying out every day (every day!) in the Amazon, how virtually every Presidency in the last 50 years has been built on lies and deceptions and trafficking with the very 'enemies' it was supposed to be fighting. All I had to do was turn on the news in 1993 and I could see we were all going to hell in a handbasket. Just hearing about people wanting to teach Creationism instead of evolution in Kansas made me despair for humanity. Every day, there was some new, amazing way that the people in charge of world could screw up, it seemed, and all of it felt like an attack against me, something that prevented me from living the life I envisioned for myself (nevermind my over-romantic expectations for a moment.)

Before I swathed myself in the sheer apathy that cloaked me from end of High School onward, I desperately wanted aliens to kidnap me, because I just couldn't handle the idea of having to live on this planet and take all the shit that all the uber-religious/capitalist people in power heaped upon me as a thinking caring human being. I knew it was all necessary and things would get better someday, even if it took WW3 to do it, but who wants to wait that long? I certainly didn't. I was 15 and I wanted to live somewhere I liked and enjoyed being, and that seemed pretty much impossible. George Bush Senior was President, and I thought the world was a special sort of hell made just for me.

It's really weird seeing people have similar sentiments-- the same old rage I remember-- now, just because of George Bush Junior. Mostly because I remember thinking so long ago, but isn't it obvious? Of course we're living in a nightmare. Of course we are. I mean, I've been there all along; y'mean other people didn't notice?

I spent my whole life here, from age 11 onward, feeling marginalized, it seems like. No one on the TV news ever said anything I agreed with or wanted to hear-- and all the people fighting for human rights and environmental protection faced obstacle after obstacle, with no end in sight-- a constant uphill battle. So I don't know when I realized that I'm stuck here, and I'm just going to have to deal-- just going to have to make the best of it. I don't remember the moment when my adolescent rage turned into a sort of seething, quiet discontent that translated into me ignoring everything and basically going "you guys go over there-- I'm over here-- good, then". I think I 'left', really, without leaving. I left as much as I could-- I stopped listening to the news, I stopped trying to really -do- anything after I got to the little oasis in the wilderness that is the college experience-- I came as a freshman to Binghamton University in 1996 and with a 3-year break, I'm still here in 2004, and you know what? I'm not even close to done, on purpose, because the real world, American society, "out there"-- out there kind of sucks in the really-not-sexy way.

So I know what it's like to feel completely disenfranchised and alienated and lost and confused and alone-- and it's from that standpoint that I wrote that about staying here, in this country, and perhaps regaining some of the desire to get involved that got burned out of me at age 16. I won't deny there were moments when I desperately wanted out, just recently-- I mean, after 9/11, I lived in a constant state of low-grade fear to the point where I was concerned for my safety and seriously thought I should move to Alaska just to be certain I won't be blown up next time I visit my mom in New York.

This is a story with no ending, of course. There's no moral here, nothing I can offer as words of wisdom to overcome the disgust it's completely normal to feel with the state of the country and the world & humanity itself. I know that disgust on a very intimate level, since I've felt it for so very long-- I can't very well say it's unfounded, wrong-headed or an overreaction.

All I can say is-- there's nowhere to go.

That is what I realized.

The world is all interconnected these days, and anywhere you go, America will follow you. Unless you really can manage to get abducted by aliens, or find the gateway to Faerie (in which case, let me know!)-- this is basically the breaks. This is what reality is (and was), and no amount of hatred or despair is going to make it any different. Hope is one thing, but hope isn't fully effective unless you've gone through the process of knowing exactly how things stand "as is" in the first place. Hope isn't going to fix anything-- there's no easy fix, and there's no escape from, well, human foibles and the present state of Western civilization (but death-- and time).

I realized that all we have is time, and we have no choice-- I have no choice-- but to play with the hand dealt me. I may want to have been born during the Bronze Age or the Middle Ages (I may not have known how to write, but I think I'd have been happier as an uneducated hedge-witch in the middle of nowhere)-- or 300 years from now when there'll be Mars or the moon to escape to. But I haven't been. Here we are, at the cusp of the 21st century, and the world is both on the verge of great, momentous change and at the same time, a horrible hanging threat of complete disaster worse than anything previously experienced. We were all unlucky enough to live in interesting times.

It is a heavy burden, I know-- the sheer awareness of the sheer magnitude and depth of the problem we're all facing as human beings. But this very awareness is what needs to spread. This despair and anger we're feeling-- that's what people want to avoid. That's why people voted Bush into office-- they don't want to know. They don't want to know the war in Iraq was unjust. They don't want to know that their Christian god isn't going to strike down the Muslims in a fury of holy fire. They don't want to know they're descended from monkeys and sea-anemones. They don't want to know they're all going to die whether or not the terrorists come to hasten it, and that their eventual demise is more likely to come from lung cancer 'cause of the cigarrettes they insist on smoking.

And can you really, really blame them?

Because this weight of awareness, of knowledge-- look-- look how it's affecting those of us who bear it. Look how destructive, how painful, how loathsome it is to lose your illusion of safety and predictability. If you see this knowledge as a "cure", then the 'cure' quite possibly hurts about as much as the disease of ignorance itself.



I spent the last 8 years not watching the news, not reading the paper, not graduating, not bothering to care-- for the same reasons. Real knowledge of my situation-- of my society-- of the state of my country and the rampant corruption everywhere there is power in it and the world at large-- that is soul-curdling stuff. I wanted to live my life and derive what pleasure I could from the things I loved to do, what art I could create, what love I could gather. I didn't want to face the monsters-- the wolves circling me, ironically, just as the Bush campaign's ads would have us believe. And the funny thing is-- the wolves are circling. The only disagreement I have with Mr Bush is that only we ourselves and our painful, terrible awareness of the situation has any chance of saving us from them.

Date: 2004-11-03 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blacksatinrose.livejournal.com
And can you really, really blame them?

Yes.

Date: 2004-11-03 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
for me, it kind of comes and goes~:)

Though, I mean, their ignorance isn't their fault-- well, I suppose not as far as human nature itself is one's 'fault'...? Perhaps it is only my own disposition that makes me want to enlighten them rather than... er... what? Eh, they're staying anyway, might as well enlighten them :>

Date: 2004-11-04 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] go-back-chief.livejournal.com
Perhaps it is only my own disposition that makes me want to enlighten them

How are you supposed to do that if they don't want to be enlightened?

It's true that human beings can't be blamed for ignorance if they've tried to seek knowledge, enlightenment and ifnormation, but for whatever reason, haven't been able to obtain it. But it seems to me that a whole lot of people don't even try, because they're too lazy -it's comfortble and conveniant to stay ignorant and never seek any information that might challenge that comfort zone, or they honestly don't think that it's their own responsibility to enlighten themselves. And that's the kind of attitudes that I believe are truly damaging, and I certainly can't condone them. I understand that information sometimes is inobtainable. And I know from experience that it's not always easy to know how exactly to go about it, in order to to about and find information. Not too mention that you might have sought it, but had no way of telling that the information you found was false or scewed, or whatever. But I can never understand not even trying. IMO, human beings has a reponsibility to always try obtaining more knowledge. And the world would be a whole lot better if we always owned up to it.

Date: 2004-11-04 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I don't know if I want to enlighten -them- in particular-- that is, right-wing Christians. I'd have rather (in the past) wanted to work with children or adolescents-- people who're still forming their own opinions. I think there's little you can really do about most adults and their most entrenched beliefs. The march of progress & the change in beliefs across societies takes generations-- lots of them. We're not going to fix this anytime soon, I don't think, so I don't think in the short-term.

As far as blaming people for not wanting information-- well, my point in the post was the knowledge is its own burden, that it's painful and almost debilitating-- that was the context of me asking that question. I was saying that -I- really hated the burden of my own awareness a lot of times-- I feel it alienates me, makes me feel rather alone in the world, makes me have nothing to cloak me in comfort. I am truly just me-- and who really can be blamed for not wanting that? People huddle together because yes, the wolves -are- circling-- the wolves of their own mortality and folly & isolation in the universe.

For me it is a greater thing than merely voting or not voting for Bush, basically. It is part of a larger pattern of people choosing not to know, & I'm saying that even though I spent all my life desperate for greater awareness, I understand avoiding it, because the pain it brings is often greater than any pleasure.

Date: 2004-11-04 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] go-back-chief.livejournal.com
well, my point in the post was the knowledge is its own burden, that it's painful and almost debilitating-- that was the context of me asking that question.

Yes, I got that. But "can you really blame them?", reads to me as "there's nothing wrong with that". Which I'm opposing.
It might be understandable, sure, what's not to understand? But there's a whole world of difference between "understandable" and "acceptable".

and who really can be blamed for not wanting that?

I don't blame anyone for wanting or not wanting anything, but many things cannot be the way we want them to, I don't think personal desire excuses not taking responsibility.

And I'm talking very much in general, too, here, because I think it applies to a whole lot more than the recent election.

Date: 2004-11-05 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I understand avoiding it, because the pain it brings is often greater than any pleasure.

Do you understand avoiding it at the expense of other people's well-being?

Date: 2004-11-05 11:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Depends how you look at it. Understanding you're infringing on other people's well-being is part of the awareness you'd be avoiding, so yeah. Besides, the percentage of people who're really 'good citizens' and are an asset to humanity is miniscule.

Date: 2004-11-05 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Yes, but what is the percentage of citizen who aren't infringing on other people's well-being and what is the percentage of citizen who, despite not being invaluable assets, aren't a concrete threat to other people's well-being?


... you keep using your pissed off Harry icon at me. It makes me want to bitchslap him. >:O BRAT.

Date: 2004-11-05 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I think it comes down to me finding 'blame' counterproductive and wasteful. There's too many people to blame and too little one can do to 'punish' (which is the natural consequence of blame). So, instead, to me it's not about forgiveness so much as the shifting of blame to ideologies instead of people.

Date: 2004-11-05 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
It's not blame, it's responsibility. The people who are already brainwashed by an ideology are the first who should acknowledge what that ideology is making them do, otherwise there's no undermining its power.

Date: 2004-11-04 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I tend to agree with that. I am not sure how accepting that everyone's mistakes are understandable frees people of the responsibility of those mistakes.

Date: 2004-11-04 11:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
To me 'blame' is something that only applies in a direct fault situation, where people aren't being manipulated by their circumstances, by ideologies, by history & by other people. People have a certain kind of responsibility to enlighten themselves, but you can't blame them for not doing it, 'cause then you'd be blaming nearly everyone alive.


...Besides, that wasn't really my point, I was more with the... uh... using that in context of the rest. I -know- people can & do blame the others.

Date: 2004-11-04 11:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
weeeee don't message me can't talk. i feel so owned.

ahahaha.

*is immature brat with moodswings*

Date: 2004-11-04 11:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
i think it's just that you didn't seem so different :))

Date: 2004-11-04 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
...but in a good way :-?

Date: 2004-11-04 11:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
":-?" <- i never understood what that emoticon meant.

in a *runs in circles!* way.

... i want a picture of your boobies so I can make an icon says "Reena is sexy."

Date: 2004-11-04 12:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
i believe that's this one: Image heheheh :> :>

......o_0
i don't have any i don't think :> :>

Date: 2004-11-04 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
*snaps one when your back is turned*

*is naughty minion*

Date: 2004-11-04 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
can't very well snap pics of my breasts if my back is turned, now can you :>

Date: 2004-11-04 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I have multitasking.

Date: 2004-11-04 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
...as well as X-ray cameras, right :>

Date: 2004-11-04 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
And mercenary ninja paparazzi.

Date: 2004-11-04 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I do know about mercenary ninja pizza-delivery boys, but that's from `Snowcrash' :>

Date: 2004-11-05 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Today I am back in mysantrophic gear. you'd be blaming nearly everyone alive. I blame them, and forgive them, but God are they persisting little ignorant buggers. To ask to the Left to tolerate their intolance (which is what the "understanding the hatred" movement has quickly become) is such a laugh.

Date: 2004-11-05 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Until someone stops the intolerance of whatever thing (even intolerance), none of it will ever, ever stop.

Date: 2004-11-05 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
I just discovered that the hatred keeps me warm at night, and it's so tempting.

Tolerance: live and let live.

Intolerance: live and don't let live.

It's not intolerant to let intolerant arsehole live by whatever whaked moral code they deem as necessary to fight the force of evil, and at the same time demand that their whaked code is not forced upon you. It's self-defense. So that you can both live and let live. But especially live.

Date: 2004-11-05 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Yes, but you cannot defend yourself that way-- you're not going to stop people from believing whatever and doing whatever just by saying they're stupid assholes or what have you. It's really like in [livejournal.com profile] dorrie6's tarot post-- as long as you persecute the people who persecute you, their persecution will only strengthen itself.

Date: 2004-11-05 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
... not accepting the lifestyle of someone when that lifestyle includes active oppression of your rights is persecution?

Date: 2004-11-05 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Eh, I'm not talking about acceptance. Everything is getting so muddled together, with acceptance = understanding = apathy, which I don't think is all equivalent. Fighting the oppression & blaming the people you're fighting (and therefore resenting them & actively wasting energy on hating them) don't have to be the same thing.

Date: 2004-11-05 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
But I am not talking about hate. I am talking about avoiding apologism.

Date: 2004-11-05 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I wasn't proposing apologism, only a lack of blame on people vs. ideologies, because as I said, blaming people isn't productive.

Date: 2004-11-05 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malafede.livejournal.com
Okay, the fact that ideologies are man-created and man-perpetrated aside... I am, from the beginning, not talking about blaming. Not in the way blame implies violent judgment and demanding justice in the form of punishment. I am talking about guilt. These people are guilty. Of hurting others.

Date: 2004-11-05 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I think this is a question of differences in the definitions of 'blame'. Most people do equate blame with (violent?) judgment and anger and so on (that is, when these things get emotionally charged). Guilt, on the other hand, isn't quite what I was talking about in the first place, and I'm more ambivalent about.

I'm not sure whether anyone's 'guilty' of ignorance, but I think this is a question of overall pov & outlook. I know that ideologies are man-created, but they're not individually created (if said individual is a 'follower'), so I couldn't say an individual is guilty. It's a meta sort of guilt, anyway-- guilty for something one -is- and is unaware one -does-.

Of course, I personally would sooner get angry than consciously judge someone for a faulty belief. I can get really pissed off at homophobes, but I don't think they're guilty because they didn't choose to be, per se. The question of choice determines the question of 'guilt', to me, though my own personal feelings are separate from this judgment. You cannot be truly guilty for a belief, however insane; but you can & should be stopped and more importantly, reprogrammed. This has a very slim chance of happening in most cases, though-- I never claimed to have solutions to society's ills or anything.

I'm just saying that you cannot fight ideologies by fighting individuals-- if you fight someone's instinctive (illogically held) belief, they will only hold on to it tighter. Therefore no amount of blaming the person (insofar as saying they're responsible for what they believe and thus have the power to change it) is going to fix anything. The result of calling an illogical belief wrong is a greater adherence to said belief.

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