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reenkaHappily ever afters, man.
I wouldn't even know where to start talking about what I think about the way (love) stories "should" end. I feel as though I'd be talking about all of me and all of Story and all of love. Because clearly I want them-- I could even say I need them, am addicted. But there's a personal definition at work there, as much as or more so than the more general one you'd assume.
I've been watching/reading an insane amount of Buffy/Spike last few days (whom most people would agree aren't "supposed" to have a happy ending-- whatever that means). I've been drowning in it and not coming up for air. I've literally done nothing else. Can't. Obsessed. Not 'cause I've read so much angst and need a happy ending-- just because their dynamic kind of enthralls me. And I can't even blame the porn. 'Cause nice as it is, het just doesn't do anything for me, thrill-wise.
The ever-present question: do I want them to settle down and get a dog & a baby & keep some swords and stakes in the closet? Or in other words, do I think of romantic(!) love as ideally permanent, exclusive, stable? (Short answer: No, but....)
Longass answer: I think love lasts as long as the lover contains the memory of it within them-- all love. But that's not the question, is it. It's a thorny question. I personally don't exactly write happy endings. I write (generally) ambiguously (to varying degrees) positive endings. I like the sensation of hope, of endless possibility at the end of a fic. I like thinking that anything can happen, and yes, I like thinking that this "thing" will be generally-- good. And my idea of "the good" is usually for people to act on their love. So there's prolly be a good long stretch of future that involves much the same things that were in the past-- a continuing process. Life.
I don't see why people think that after a certain point, life and what made it -good- has to change. It's like, you fall in love, and suddenly you're a different person who wants different things? Well, probably, to some extent. But even so-- that's the temporary-glitch aspect of romantic entanglements, isn't it. That's why people break up-- because they can't do it-- can't -be- it anymore. Hopefully, they could just not even begin it, and continue doing what works. (For Buffy&Spike, "what works" isn't as easy to figure out as it could be, but that's what makes it interesting, isn't it.)
This is why, by the way, I can't stand a lot of post-Hogwarts H/D. They settle down, get jobs, move in together (just add babies...). Please! I mean. They'd kill each other. I'd kill myself having to watch them. Some cows will fly, etc. Does that mean I think they can't exist outside of that one venue of fight-snark-duel-fuck that worked in school? No. I just wish someone would imagine a future that's -them- rather than being all about some Christian Midwesterners.
It's complicated. Endings don't exist in real life, and I wouldn't want them to. I don't like the hemmed in entrapment of it-- I don't like the idea of "this is it-- game over". Love doesn't gave a -goal-. Life in general has no goal that I can see beyond the living of it with passion. Everything kind of goes up and down and around-- as long as one isn't dead, anything can happen. I like that about life, and about stories. So how could I say I want any favorite couple to have a "happy ending", when I don't want them to end at all?
I'm obsessed with beginnings-- with openings. I think I latch on to the idea that some stories contain this germ of -something- that just -has- to bear fruit-- I just want to see that seed grow. I want to get the chance to see what develops when you give things a chance, when you don't ruin them prematurely. I think a lot of times people don't get the chance to be their best selves, and they never try again. I'm not sure if they always should, because one definitely learns from one's mistakes and that's all part of the process of living. One makes mistakes, incorporates some lessons from the experience, moves on to hopefully not screw up exactly the same way next time. Gets ready for another beginning.
Because that's what I think love can be, what life should be-- a series of beginnings. Entwined with endings, true, but it's the prospect of new beginnings that makes life -happy- for me. It's the sense of openness, the source of endless dreams. A "happy ending" for me is all about that -sensation-. Feeling oneself become open to the future, facing it without fear. At the end, the character falls in love with their own future. That's what I want. Isn't that what everyone wants, really, whether or not they'd call it a "happy ending"?
So back to mistakes and giving things a chance.
Fanfiction, by definition, is all about the myriad possibilities of a single paradigm. Like, for instance, in romance fics: Character A + Character B = Event X.
Not all of those X's have to have positive value (that would probably include sex & violence with slight amounts of hand-holding if speaking of personal preference) in order to captivate me. But sometimes, within the actual story, I feel like the equation didn't play itself out completely to its fullest potential. There's a sense of incompleteness, because some stupid mistake has been allowed to become more important than all the potential that had ever been there. So in fanfic-- that's the space, right there. That sense of wrongness that gives me the space to rewrite-- the impetus to rewrite. The need to try again. Even though I don't know what "right" is-- have no idea what the ideal ending is-- or if I even want an ending-- I need to see them try again. And if they fail that time too, they should try yet again. And again. To the point that sometimes I think it's the -trying- to get it right that's important, rather than the getting it right itself.
That doesn't address why I myself am so crazily OTP-centric. Don't I obsessively wank on this one pairing, this one set of possibilities, wanting to see them and only -them- get these chances together until they get it -right-, dammit?
Er, well, yes. I'm an obsessive-- I find what works and I stick with it. My "happy ending", I guess, would be the promise of many beginnings to come. I want to experience that rush of "YES!!", that perfect rightness of the first kiss, the first glance, the tentative faith that "it will all be okay because you're there", again and again. I don't think much about how it will "ultimately" end. Does he leave her? Does she leave him? Does he/she/they die? Who hurts whom most? Do they regret it? Does he wank about her/him obsessively for the rest of his life? (Well, okay, I'm interested in that one, but that's just the wank talking). I don't think about that. I just don't (again, excepting the wank. Ahem.)
I don't know what anyone's "full potential" is (dude, I could make mucho money if I did-- or at least get my own life together), but I know when people haven't reached it by far. I can just -feel- it. And it feels -wrong-, especially when the story built up all this potential. It's like having these huge wings that you never use to fly-- just take them off and lay them on the ground, letting them gather dust. I don't really care if the character falls after they try to fly-- if they fly too close to the sun, if their heart explodes from the sheer joy of it. No, I'd even enjoy that. I don't want to see Icarus come down safely, get accolades for his daring feat, get a trophy house and wife and life. Everyone has their own unique Best Destiny, and for Icarus, I think that would have been dying just as he did-- in the air. Burning, falling, -living-.
That's my happy ending, I guess. That's the source of my OTP madness. It's the idea of Best Destiny.
Many, many things can work, and many more things can fail in life. With relationships especially, I think. I suppose my own personal focus is on how human beings can -work-, together and alone. How can they overcome what's holding them back? How can they achieve their own personal vision of happiness, whatever that may be?
Because people (writers and readers both) do assume, don't they. They assume that a character's happiness is some sort of paper cut-out fascimile of something on a 50's show, all white fences and wide plastic smiles. It's ridiculous. Happiness is so wide, so unpredictable. Happiness is getting to be who you are, knowing who you are, accepting who you are, someone you love accepting you, for almost everyone. Most other aspects of it are up for grabs, I think.
A best destiny is about someone realizing what they want-- not just as far as another person, but as far as who they want to be-- and then seizing it. Because that's what life can be like, what I want it to be like. And I think that most people aren't really made to go through it alone. We all yearn for companionship, whether we fully admit it to ourselves or not. And that's why I don't really care if my chosen couple is "together" in a romantic sense-- I just want them to be -together-. Really together, in any way, shape or form. Because they -fit-, in my head. Because I think they would bring out each other's best selves. Because I think together, they have a better chance at seizing their own Best Destiny.
Maybe this doesn't actually happen in "real life". Maybe we are all kind of doomed to putter around, making stupid mistakes over and over, failing to see what's right in front of our noses, letting go our chances for happiness one after another until it's too late. So much of what people think of as "happiness" is so very fleeting, isn't it. So very temporal and easy to misplace. A lot of people don't even realize there's another sort of happiness out there, and if they do, they don't believe in it. Most people never find it. Some people would even tell you this kind of happiness isn't meant for mortals, that we'll only get it in the afterlife if we've been "good".
That's why I do cling to OTP's and fairy-tales and all the rest of my idealistic nonsense, in the end. Because I believe in that other happiness. I believe in heaven on earth, because what else is there to believe in? I obviously don't think it always happens-- or even usually happens. I just don't think it can -never- happen. I think we -can- become who we want to be. Our best possible selves. I think this can be the best of all possible worlds. I think we can make it so. The possibility is there-- the hope is there-- the -need- is there. And in the end, what can anyone do but try?
I wouldn't even know where to start talking about what I think about the way (love) stories "should" end. I feel as though I'd be talking about all of me and all of Story and all of love. Because clearly I want them-- I could even say I need them, am addicted. But there's a personal definition at work there, as much as or more so than the more general one you'd assume.
I've been watching/reading an insane amount of Buffy/Spike last few days (whom most people would agree aren't "supposed" to have a happy ending-- whatever that means). I've been drowning in it and not coming up for air. I've literally done nothing else. Can't. Obsessed. Not 'cause I've read so much angst and need a happy ending-- just because their dynamic kind of enthralls me. And I can't even blame the porn. 'Cause nice as it is, het just doesn't do anything for me, thrill-wise.
The ever-present question: do I want them to settle down and get a dog & a baby & keep some swords and stakes in the closet? Or in other words, do I think of romantic(!) love as ideally permanent, exclusive, stable? (Short answer: No, but....)
Longass answer: I think love lasts as long as the lover contains the memory of it within them-- all love. But that's not the question, is it. It's a thorny question. I personally don't exactly write happy endings. I write (generally) ambiguously (to varying degrees) positive endings. I like the sensation of hope, of endless possibility at the end of a fic. I like thinking that anything can happen, and yes, I like thinking that this "thing" will be generally-- good. And my idea of "the good" is usually for people to act on their love. So there's prolly be a good long stretch of future that involves much the same things that were in the past-- a continuing process. Life.
I don't see why people think that after a certain point, life and what made it -good- has to change. It's like, you fall in love, and suddenly you're a different person who wants different things? Well, probably, to some extent. But even so-- that's the temporary-glitch aspect of romantic entanglements, isn't it. That's why people break up-- because they can't do it-- can't -be- it anymore. Hopefully, they could just not even begin it, and continue doing what works. (For Buffy&Spike, "what works" isn't as easy to figure out as it could be, but that's what makes it interesting, isn't it.)
This is why, by the way, I can't stand a lot of post-Hogwarts H/D. They settle down, get jobs, move in together (just add babies...). Please! I mean. They'd kill each other. I'd kill myself having to watch them. Some cows will fly, etc. Does that mean I think they can't exist outside of that one venue of fight-snark-duel-fuck that worked in school? No. I just wish someone would imagine a future that's -them- rather than being all about some Christian Midwesterners.
It's complicated. Endings don't exist in real life, and I wouldn't want them to. I don't like the hemmed in entrapment of it-- I don't like the idea of "this is it-- game over". Love doesn't gave a -goal-. Life in general has no goal that I can see beyond the living of it with passion. Everything kind of goes up and down and around-- as long as one isn't dead, anything can happen. I like that about life, and about stories. So how could I say I want any favorite couple to have a "happy ending", when I don't want them to end at all?
I'm obsessed with beginnings-- with openings. I think I latch on to the idea that some stories contain this germ of -something- that just -has- to bear fruit-- I just want to see that seed grow. I want to get the chance to see what develops when you give things a chance, when you don't ruin them prematurely. I think a lot of times people don't get the chance to be their best selves, and they never try again. I'm not sure if they always should, because one definitely learns from one's mistakes and that's all part of the process of living. One makes mistakes, incorporates some lessons from the experience, moves on to hopefully not screw up exactly the same way next time. Gets ready for another beginning.
Because that's what I think love can be, what life should be-- a series of beginnings. Entwined with endings, true, but it's the prospect of new beginnings that makes life -happy- for me. It's the sense of openness, the source of endless dreams. A "happy ending" for me is all about that -sensation-. Feeling oneself become open to the future, facing it without fear. At the end, the character falls in love with their own future. That's what I want. Isn't that what everyone wants, really, whether or not they'd call it a "happy ending"?
So back to mistakes and giving things a chance.
Fanfiction, by definition, is all about the myriad possibilities of a single paradigm. Like, for instance, in romance fics: Character A + Character B = Event X.
Not all of those X's have to have positive value (that would probably include sex & violence with slight amounts of hand-holding if speaking of personal preference) in order to captivate me. But sometimes, within the actual story, I feel like the equation didn't play itself out completely to its fullest potential. There's a sense of incompleteness, because some stupid mistake has been allowed to become more important than all the potential that had ever been there. So in fanfic-- that's the space, right there. That sense of wrongness that gives me the space to rewrite-- the impetus to rewrite. The need to try again. Even though I don't know what "right" is-- have no idea what the ideal ending is-- or if I even want an ending-- I need to see them try again. And if they fail that time too, they should try yet again. And again. To the point that sometimes I think it's the -trying- to get it right that's important, rather than the getting it right itself.
That doesn't address why I myself am so crazily OTP-centric. Don't I obsessively wank on this one pairing, this one set of possibilities, wanting to see them and only -them- get these chances together until they get it -right-, dammit?
Er, well, yes. I'm an obsessive-- I find what works and I stick with it. My "happy ending", I guess, would be the promise of many beginnings to come. I want to experience that rush of "YES!!", that perfect rightness of the first kiss, the first glance, the tentative faith that "it will all be okay because you're there", again and again. I don't think much about how it will "ultimately" end. Does he leave her? Does she leave him? Does he/she/they die? Who hurts whom most? Do they regret it? Does he wank about her/him obsessively for the rest of his life? (Well, okay, I'm interested in that one, but that's just the wank talking). I don't think about that. I just don't (again, excepting the wank. Ahem.)
I don't know what anyone's "full potential" is (dude, I could make mucho money if I did-- or at least get my own life together), but I know when people haven't reached it by far. I can just -feel- it. And it feels -wrong-, especially when the story built up all this potential. It's like having these huge wings that you never use to fly-- just take them off and lay them on the ground, letting them gather dust. I don't really care if the character falls after they try to fly-- if they fly too close to the sun, if their heart explodes from the sheer joy of it. No, I'd even enjoy that. I don't want to see Icarus come down safely, get accolades for his daring feat, get a trophy house and wife and life. Everyone has their own unique Best Destiny, and for Icarus, I think that would have been dying just as he did-- in the air. Burning, falling, -living-.
That's my happy ending, I guess. That's the source of my OTP madness. It's the idea of Best Destiny.
Many, many things can work, and many more things can fail in life. With relationships especially, I think. I suppose my own personal focus is on how human beings can -work-, together and alone. How can they overcome what's holding them back? How can they achieve their own personal vision of happiness, whatever that may be?
Because people (writers and readers both) do assume, don't they. They assume that a character's happiness is some sort of paper cut-out fascimile of something on a 50's show, all white fences and wide plastic smiles. It's ridiculous. Happiness is so wide, so unpredictable. Happiness is getting to be who you are, knowing who you are, accepting who you are, someone you love accepting you, for almost everyone. Most other aspects of it are up for grabs, I think.
A best destiny is about someone realizing what they want-- not just as far as another person, but as far as who they want to be-- and then seizing it. Because that's what life can be like, what I want it to be like. And I think that most people aren't really made to go through it alone. We all yearn for companionship, whether we fully admit it to ourselves or not. And that's why I don't really care if my chosen couple is "together" in a romantic sense-- I just want them to be -together-. Really together, in any way, shape or form. Because they -fit-, in my head. Because I think they would bring out each other's best selves. Because I think together, they have a better chance at seizing their own Best Destiny.
Maybe this doesn't actually happen in "real life". Maybe we are all kind of doomed to putter around, making stupid mistakes over and over, failing to see what's right in front of our noses, letting go our chances for happiness one after another until it's too late. So much of what people think of as "happiness" is so very fleeting, isn't it. So very temporal and easy to misplace. A lot of people don't even realize there's another sort of happiness out there, and if they do, they don't believe in it. Most people never find it. Some people would even tell you this kind of happiness isn't meant for mortals, that we'll only get it in the afterlife if we've been "good".
That's why I do cling to OTP's and fairy-tales and all the rest of my idealistic nonsense, in the end. Because I believe in that other happiness. I believe in heaven on earth, because what else is there to believe in? I obviously don't think it always happens-- or even usually happens. I just don't think it can -never- happen. I think we -can- become who we want to be. Our best possible selves. I think this can be the best of all possible worlds. I think we can make it so. The possibility is there-- the hope is there-- the -need- is there. And in the end, what can anyone do but try?
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Date: 2004-01-14 01:59 pm (UTC)Anyway--ahem--yeah, so that was my problem. Once the people got together they had to get married and have a house and that became boring because it was always the same, so they had to get discontented and have affairs etc. And I don't think that's necessarily true. Sure people change and you can get bored and fall out of love, but just as you're saying, there's no reason being a couple has to mean you are stuck with a particular life and suddenly have a set of values. I remember watching I Love Lucy as a kid and assuming this was what married life was--you had two friends that were also married, you were individually all friends, you went to Hollywood, you went out to dinner, you got up to crazy schemes. Having a baby never changed the focus of your life completely--you handed it off to a babysitter anytime you had to go somewhere.
So yeah, I guess I don't ever imagine my OTPs as being doomed to failure in terms of having a future. What draws me to them, usually, is a sense that they form a great balance with each other to begin with, so of course they'd need each other. But there's no balance if the two of them become two little housewives, and if the sum of their life is picking out curtains who cares if they're balanced? I lose the higher purpose I like so much!
Did that relate or did I just hare off on a complete tangent...?
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Date: 2004-01-14 02:20 pm (UTC)People have this set idea of "what works". And no matter who you are, you get a single thing to be. Like... a set of values stretching across a whole society. It really sucks. Like, this ties into people's ideas of what men & women are supposed to be in order to -be- "men" and "women". And then-- well, I've never liked traditional men -or- women. I mean... Buffy & Spike? Who wears the pants? Ahahahah. Um. It's all ambiguous and I like it that way. Mulder & Scully, also. I mean, there is no set life for them-- that's why they're so cool. They could do -anything-, but of course most people don't have the imagination to figure out what that is-- hell, I don't know if -I- do. I just feel like I -should-.
It's even more ridiculous with Harry & Draco or a slash couple-- 'cause like. Two guys. Hello?
I mean, okay, I know guys settle down too. But it's just not the same. There aren't these gender roles to play-- they're just two people who love each other and live together-- like. That's why I like Brian & Justin. One got to see two people who love each other and live together and it's not some 50s fantasy by far, eheheh, what with the orgies and so on.
Then again, thinking -any- people are doomed to failure just bothers me. Just gets my goat. "Oh yeah, of course after `Crashed', it was only a matter of time till they split." Grrrrrrrrr. Sort of why Clark&Lex being doomed drives me up the wall, the way people just-- accept it. I mean, suuuuuure, we know the future (comics canon). But whatever. Smallville is Smallville canon. Taking things as is-- why is it doomed? I just don't believe in doomed~:)
And oh man.
I think more than half the WIPs in this fandom and most others are soaps, man :> :>
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Date: 2004-01-14 04:51 pm (UTC)I do think...you were saying that many people want to cookie cut love? That their ideal of it is so simplistic that it's all white fences and babies, but the most beautiful part of love is trying to overcome the obstacles and try for those picket fence and babies...and perhaps in the end you'll end up with something special in itself to bring happiness?
Or I might not be reading enough into it or misunderstanding :/
Personally, I believe in a one true love. That there is one right person out there for everyone. I believe in those happy endings where the couple buys the nice house in the suburbs and argues over what colour the baby's room should be. I believe in being swept off my feet and prince charmings and saving yourself for that one person.
Those aren't realistic though. The best romances are the windswept ones where you're caught up trying to make everything right but somehow it doesn't happen and the only thing you can think is: at least we have each other.
Some people say that everyone changes and there is the right person at the time. I don't believe that. I think there is a right person for all the time. (which is where my obsession with OTP's comes from. Like...I can't stand to see Harry in pairings other than Harry/Draco because for some reason it upsets me. *petty*)
I enjoy fluff. I think the best sort of angst out there is the angst where the couple is trying for fluff but along the way things get botched up. I want happy endings. And I wish everyone could try for that. There's nothing more endearing than to see two people trying to come to terms with their feelings and battling off obstacles that keep them apart.
I don't think many people portray love the right way though. I think love is deeper than what people think it is. It begins to bother me when Harry/Draco fics start out in rough angry sex and then turns to the point where they fall in love. Or maybe that's just my "everyone should be abstinent" side talking.
Argh. I don't know. I'm not sure if what i'm saying is what you were talking about...or if it's exactly what you were talking about and i'm just reiterating your words.
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Date: 2004-01-14 06:06 pm (UTC)But anyway.
My overall point was that "Best Destiny" thing, which was basically-- self-realization. Love as a tool for self-realization. Being who you really are = the happy ending we all need. That sort of thing. And I think some people (the right people-- the right -person-) can help you be who you really are. That was my point~:)
The thing about the little-white-houses being a simplification-- oh yeah, that too~:) Not everyone wants it, but yes, some people do. It's okay to want it. I sincerely doubt H&D or Buffy & Spike would want it-- that was my point. I think understanding love is one of the most difficult things there is. I mean, people try all the time, but they mostly don't try very hard, because there are so many preconceptions, y'know? It's easy to think you've got it all figured out, handed on a silver platter. Just watch TV and you know all about love, that sort of thing.
I guess I was also saying that to me, people are more important than ideas (and ideas are very very important to me, so people are pretty damned important). Like... so... One True Love-- that's an idea. Harry and Draco-- to me-- are people (even though they're fictional). Who're also ideas. But anyway. Do I think they're each other's One True Love? Yes. That's what I think. But! To me, what's important isn't that they get a house together and fuck a lot-- it's that they really get a chance to know each other, to be together, even if they're just friends.
I think some people can help each other be stronger-- be more real-- more true to themselves. And yes, I want them to shag like bunnies, but if they shagged and lived together without understanding each other???! That's bloody nothing to me. NOTHING.
I often read H/D fics where I can't quite ship them, because they're simply -not- meant to be as written by that person. And! Less often, I read non-H/D fics that have H&D in them, where they -are- meant to be like a mofo. Case in point! `Draco Veritas'. Ship H/D there like no tomorrow. They -understand- each other, man. They -grok-. They don't -need- a little white house or a dog. They -complete- each other. Yes, I want them to fuck. But they're already perfect!
On contrast-- `Plague of Legends'!H/D-- noootttt my idea of a good time. Notnotnotnottnotnot. Not. Many, many people write H/D that makes me -sick-. They twist it into something syrupy or ugly or... I dunno. It's not them. It's wrong. They take something oh-so-right and -ruin- it with wrongness.
Sometimes good fics can be written about the grey area between right!H/D and wrong!H/D. Maya does that a lot, especially in her darker fics. It's like-- I -almost- can't ship them, but baaaarely, it squeezes through and there's something I love about them together. Y'know? Sigh. The -rightness- is more important to me than the-- I dunno-- idea of it.
Anyway. *coughs* <3! *grins*
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Date: 2004-01-15 01:00 am (UTC)I always ship them.
Except when I don't. (like when I ship D/Hr, or D/Z, or... Iamsuchawhore.)
but your post was beautiful and I agree completely and I am tearing up, so, anyway.
Wah!
I am coherent like a mofo today, am I not? well, I got two hours sleep. so pretend, what I just said was something more like Sister Magpie said. (I wish I was as cool as her, man. Wail!)
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Date: 2004-01-15 01:12 am (UTC)I'm still insanely flattered any time we talk. Wheeeee! Maya!Fireworks! *giggles*
At least you're slutty within the same fandom-- I've been reading Buffy/Spike for the last 4 days straight or so :> :> Is it worse to ditch your whole fandom & boy/boy orientation for some hot sweaty hetero lovin'? *laughs* Is it bad that I read all this het smut when it does next to nothing for me? Even so, I feel... I feel I should read the smut on principle. Y'know. Just because smuttier is better. *babbles*
I think with you, the basic love for the characters & dynamic always comes through-- it's like, they're -alive- to you, so they're always alive to me. I think I always ship them if they're really there for me. Well, either that, or the sex is really hot. Or Draco is really snarky. Okay, I'm really easy. *coughs* You are not alone :D :D!
Although now I can't help but wonder what kind of Spike you'd write. *evil grin*
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Date: 2004-01-15 04:06 am (UTC)I used to love he and Buffy and read fic and shipped them like anything and then... no. too painful to talk about.
HE WASN'T THE SAME MAN I MARRI - LOV - WATCHED ON TELEVISION, DAMN IT!
You're flattered? Eee. I am always amazed someone as brilliant as thou art will have anything to do with my incoherent self.
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Date: 2004-01-15 10:53 am (UTC)Also, incoherency can only reassure me, considering I have some heaping amounts myself~:)) Well, also, <333333333 :D
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Date: 2004-01-15 11:15 am (UTC)I don't know how to do anything else!!!!
it's so hard not to have original characters.
Besides, I would never cheat on HP. We're very, very, very happy together. So happy.
and we will continue to dance around the fields of flowers together until Lasair's beta arrives. I love this interval of peace.
H/D forever!
Spike made me shout 'come back Angel! I love you more!' there can. be no. forgiveness.
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Date: 2004-01-15 11:49 am (UTC)I can't really do anything else either (though I've tried, it's just-- no good). Buffy has Buffy-speak, too. It really bothers me to read fic where they're all maudlin and normal-speaky. It's all good, though. H/D is still my crack :D
Happy-fields!crack, even >:D
sorry for late comment - been away, am catching up
Date: 2004-02-03 04:20 am (UTC)Ah, this addresses something that has always bothered me - the happy endings. They are unsatisfying, firstly, because they are endings, and I agree with you that the possibilities of a happy ending is often more fulfilling than the happy ending. It's like this gut-reaction you always had to fairy tales: "and then they all lived happily ever after" - what does that mean? What did they do? And it's painful because stories are about conflict, and fantasy-type stories about adventure, and once it's over...well, you don't want it to be over. There's all this angst and drama and the characters, of course, hate going through it, but the readers love it, and when the characters get settling down and a life of peace and a situation in which their lives are not constantly being threatened, our reaction is "wah, no fun."
And it's so very hard to get around this reaction, I think, and it's also a frustrating reaction. You know how some people will refuse to read fluff, or, say, refuse to read a certain ship like Remus/Sirius because they already see them as an established couple and therefore they are missing the essential exciting angst element? Yet it's so inescapable - the most interesting stories are just not about a happy couple picking out curtains, because an interesting story has conflict, and there is no room for conflict in a happily ever after.
I'm sure, for example, that the end of DV will satisfy me less than the end of DS with its blatant unfinishedness. *shrug* Also the reason that I dislike the end of LOTR so much - Sam, you know?
The thing is that real people's happily ever afters are not boring. Real people, in general, do not do things like have grand adventures or save the world. And while a character robbed of a grand adventure is uninteresting to read about, real people's simple lives are endlessly fascinating to themselves. Because our lives aren't about epic struggles, but when we settle down in suburbia to pick out curtains, that's never just the sum and total of our existence. Just because a person gets married doesn't mean they lose who they are, loses their dreams and experiences and whatever ambition they pursue in life.
I think what you said is very insightful, and is probably the key to making the happy endings more satisfying. And I never thought about it this way until you put it like this, so so much for your supposed incoherence. ;D If your characters are like real people, living and loving and changing and being themselves, then the happy ending isn't a dull conclusion, but an opening with possibilities.
Because people (writers and readers both) do assume, don't they. They assume that a character's happiness is some sort of paper cut-out fascimile of something on a 50's show, all white fences and wide plastic smiles. It's ridiculous. Happiness is so wide, so unpredictable. Happiness is getting to be who you are, knowing who you are, accepting who you are, someone you love accepting you, for almost everyone.
The only other way around it is to make you fall in love with the characters so much that you don't mind the adventure is over, because you're so happy they're finally together. Which works, but not for everyone, especially if you were in love with the story more than the characters. ;D
Maybe we are all kind of doomed to putter around, making stupid mistakes over and over, failing to see what's right in front of our noses, letting go our chances for happiness one after another until it's too late.
Waaah. Dear Reena, I have never more strongly wished that you will one day find the kind of love you have so much faith in. <3