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So basically, I could talk about Brian or I could talk about how I read/perceive stories. The latter, I'm probably way more obsessed with. And so. I could/should just point everyone to [livejournal.com profile] melymbrosia's post on personal reading axioms, because they apply to me so completely. Immediately, a quote would be: "The great gift of fiction isn't judgment but empathy." Because, yes. Yes! That sums it all up, man. The exercise of morality is counter to the process of reading/watching fiction (to me). "The novel's strength is its ambivalence," she says. I nod mutely, groaning at my gross inadequacy at self-expression. Yes. It's all about listening to texts, letting them define their own terms as much as possible. Oh godgodgod, YES.

This is my not-at-all deep and meaningful post on QAF, as I have read [livejournal.com profile] hautemonde's bit of an anti-Brian (anti-season-2-Brian, anyway) rant and the "sometimes this show sucks ass" that goes along with it, and.

See, I loved QAF. All of it. Absolutely all of it. I watched most of it in a single shot during a very full week, eheheh. And now, the closest thing I could come to as far as a reason QAF doesn't suck ass....

It's the porn, man. (Duh?)

Digging deeper. And it's still the porn. But also, I love Justin, ahahah. And Brian & Justin together. Because they're adorable and have chemistry and Brian snarks and is tender-hearted-in-spite-of-himself and Justin has comebacks and is spunky and brings out Brian's embarrassing side. Also, Justin is idealistic and pretty, and Brian is cynical and pretty. They fuck, and they fuck a lot. Always a bonus. Was there more to this show? I didn't notice :>


I just don't get this need to judge characters and to condemn them the way we'd condemn people, like, "I don't want to be friends with you, you suck". I mean, you're not there to be Brian's/Draco's/Snape's/etc friend, are you? You're there to read/watch stuff about them and their issues and their sex lives. One always has favorite characters and less-favorite characters, but to judge them lacking seems... counterproductive. I mean, do you like reading fic/watching them? Yes/no? That's all that matters. Whether they're a jerk or not either makes them a) interesting or b) boring. If it's boring, then don't read/watch. If it isn't, enjoy.

I don't see this show as set up for a certain kind of viewing. And by that, I mean a critical, psychologically deep, mindful viewing. Its plots/ideas never struck me. Its actors' chemistry with each other (those of them that -have- it, heh). It is what it is, just as the HP books are what they are, take 'em or leave 'em. They're not `War and Peace', and neither is QAF. That's not what we go there for, anyway. Is it, now?

I'll easily admit what drew me into my QAF-watching fever this past spring. It was that musical porn clip from season 1, where Brian & Justin went at it in NYC, and Justin smirks and pulls Brian to the bed. Brian then proceeds to give him a very good time. And they lived happilypornily ever after. And then I watched the show. And I realized there were bits like when Justin says he's trying to kill Brian with kindness. And bits like where Brian cries with that bloody scarf around his neck. And bits like where Justin comes home from Ethan and Brian knows, and he kisses him and gets him hot and bothered and doesn't fuck him.

I think once one gets too into fandom, one forgets the important things. Like porn. And also, cute coupley moments. And also, everything that made you ignore the nonsense and bad writing and inconsistencies because they didn't matter. Season 2 had good porn, man. Brian made me sad with his stoic acceptingness. I didn't hate Justin because he was just confused, and I accepted that but was frustrated. It was angsty. They had Issues. The make-up sex after the accident was great and a powerful scene, all understated and emotional-- overall, the beginning and ending episodes were very emotional. So the middle was filler. Oh well, there was a lot of filler in Seasons 1 & 3, too.

To me, it seems one watches/enjoys a show like QAF 'cause of the couple love. Plot matters not. Ridiculous characterization can be accepted because it's soap-opera and because Brian was always a caricature, dammit, and so was everyone else. The thing is, the -acting- was consistent. Gale can -smirk- and he can -look- and Justin can look -back- and then it's reallyreally hot and they fuck. (I keep coming back to this, yes, but it's important to me, see).

That said, Brian was never supposed to be entirely sympathetic. That's the point. You either accept him or don't, but to try to make him palatable seems to miss the point. The guy -tries- to be outrageous and offensive. If he doesn't offend you at all, you fall into one of two categories: 1) he fits your kink of personality; 2) you're there for the Brian/Justin and you don't -care- (that would be me).

Brian's lack of empathy, immaturity, shallowness blahblahetcetc, are either charming or not, to the viewer, but nonetheless they remain charming to Justin. People in general are different-- and by "different", I mean some are assholes and yet, some people still love them. Sometimes because they're assholes. And also because they give great head. It's a thing.

Defending either Brian or Justin (or Draco or Harry or Spike, etcetc) is thus ultimately pointless and a waste of time. People are sometimes ugly, sometimes impossible, even. In fiction, one can explore that and attempt to enjoy what there is to enjoy of it without personal issues getting too involved with it. It's just a story. These aren't people you have to deal with on a day-to-day basis. You can easily forgive them their foibles, can't you. If not, why the hell not? Being empathic and reasonable may be exactly what's needed in real life friends, but how is that interesting in fiction? How does that create conflict and drama? How does that keep you watching/reading?

I keep coming back to this issue of character assassination, and I should just learn and give up on trying to say anything, 'cause the people who get it, get it, and the other people will keep on not getting it. But. I hate the world being divided into "nice" and "not nice" people, much as that's human nature. I hate mean and shallow people too, man. But I love them as characters. That basic concept of liking in fiction what you don't like in real life, again. This does't translate into sexual kink, for me, as much as it does into characterization. Good fiction means not-always-likable characters. If you can't like Brian or Harry or whoever sometimes? The writer has done their job. There ain't -no one- in the universe I like all the time. Even some of my favorite people, I only like in measured doses and from a distance. I'm just a freak like that. But still.

To sum up: snogging-with-tongues-in-Babylon? Important! Vital, even. Brian being mean to *insert secondary character here*? Eh. Take it or leave it. Brian thinking about getting roses for Justin & then not? Wah! Important & yummy shipper feeding! Brian being Stockwell's bitch (and then not)? Interesting, but ultimately of secondary value, way behind "that look Brian gave Justin while they were both fucking other people in the back room". Or maybe that's just me, though somehow I doubt it :>

Date: 2004-01-10 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spare-change.livejournal.com
I really don't understand why people are so invested in Brian/Justin. I only watched the first season, but I had assumed that everyone would be all about the Michael love, like me. When I found out QaF fandom was all about Brian/Justin, I lost any enthusiasm I might have had for the show. They're like the two least interesting characters.

How can people not be Brian/Michael? *cries* I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

I agree about the ambivalence, though. It's what made me so frustrated when people started slamming fics for portraying disturbing subject matter in an ambiguous way. I was like, "d00d, isn't that the *point*?" That's such a greater accomplishment than portraying something as simply good or bad. *sighs*

Date: 2004-01-10 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
Eheheh well, I'm not -in- QAF fandom, man, I just love the pornshow. *coughs* You don't have to be in the fandom, but there -is- definitely a B/M contingent, though honestly, Brian & Justin develop (or at least Justin does, eheheh) through the other two seasons, and they get a lot more compatible & they go through stuff together and Michael gets a better boyfriend and. Stuff.

I weep for your lack of Justin love. No one loves him. Everyone's all, Brian! And if not Brian, then Michael. Woe!

When you think about it, those people probably haven't actually read literature above a 5th grade level, eheheheh >:D 'Cause. Most great books are morally ambiguous or could be interpreted in a number of ways, at least. Preachy writing reeeeeally annoys me, too, but I suppose that's just me :>

Date: 2004-01-11 06:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altricial.livejournal.com
I LOVE JUSTIN! I DO I DO! I'm just very consumed by my Brian love but Justin rules too!

Date: 2004-01-11 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I will maintain that Justin's mouth is prettier, though :D :D!!

Date: 2004-01-11 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
YOU ARE DEAD TO ME.

*uses appropriate icon*

Date: 2004-01-11 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spare-change.livejournal.com
*runs around madly looking for Hal Sparks icon in retaliation*

Date: 2004-01-12 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
I have the Ben/Michael corner covered. :))

Date: 2004-01-12 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spare-change.livejournal.com
BRIAN/MICHAEL BRIAN/MICHAEL BRIAN/MICHAEL

>:O

Date: 2004-01-12 07:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
*DEFRIENDS*

Oh wait.

*FRIENDS, THEN DEFRIENDS*

Word.

Date: 2004-01-10 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glitterdemon.livejournal.com
I very much agree with you, and had several of these same thoughts post-OotP regarding Sirius and fan reaction when they found out that, ohmigod, he has flaws! I was just like, "Okay, I probably wouldn't want to be friends with the guy, but that doesn't mean he's not a fucking fabulous character." IMO. It's just that people get *so* attached to characters that they somehow *do* feel that they know them, so in some way it's a letdown when they realize this is a person (not a character, a *person*) that they don't like. I can't relate very much to that, as my favorite characters tend to be the more flawed ones, but I can see the, hm, not logic, but reasoning, I guess.

Re: Word.

Date: 2004-01-10 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
yeah, I know. I suppose that's what I meant about it being pointless trying to argue with that sort of take on things. Altough I'm a bit of a fraud in this respect 'cause I probably -would- want to be friends with them after I get to love them (but not before), heheh. So I guess I can understand-- you want to really love them and they become so real and then it's like, well, you can't quite love them anymore. It'd be weird. Though that never happens to me. I tend to give my favorite characters near-blank checks. Though they still piss me off quite a bit~:)

Date: 2004-01-11 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
I love you, but you knew that already.

I mean, you're not there to be Brian's/Draco's/Snape's/etc friend, are you? You're there to read/watch stuff about them and their issues and their sex lives.

Seriously. I mean, why the hell am I going to react to a tv show the way I react to real life? If Brian was real I would probably run the other direction. But I love him as a character. There's this one woman on lj who thinks anyone who hates Ethan is immature and needs to get over it, but it's like, hey, it's not like we hate him for real. We hate him for pretend.

I could ramble on and on but instead I'm going to add this to memories and be happy. :>

Date: 2004-01-11 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altricial.livejournal.com
but it's like, hey, it's not like we hate him for real. We hate him for pretend.

HEY MAN SPEAK FOR YOURSELF =; =; =;

:))

Date: 2004-01-11 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altricial.livejournal.com
I wish I was kidding. :(

*issues*

Date: 2004-01-11 06:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
Well, if he was a real person I would kick him in the nuts. :-?

Date: 2004-01-11 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
The sad thing is, I know what you mean. I mean, I don't -hate- him 'cause I just don't -care- (he's gone! why angst?) but I -hated- seeing him onscreen. There's just. Something. About him! There just. Is!

I think he looks what they used to call "shifty" :>

Date: 2004-01-11 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
Really? 'Cause I just call that 'ugly'.

Date: 2004-01-11 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
he's......


facially challenged. -.-

Date: 2004-01-11 09:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
.....aesthetically deficient.

Date: 2004-01-11 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
...one has to say, no one could look all that good with a little scruff of hair sticking to their chin, man.


*delicate shudder*

Date: 2004-01-11 09:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
I bet you ten bucks Ethan woke up and said "I have too much pubic hair and know not where to place it." Next day: soul patch.

Date: 2004-01-11 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
.....and just today, i was traumatized by seeing gay boys nekkid & shaved -everywhere-. o_0




....why god WHY.

Date: 2004-01-11 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
Were they bald too? That's just strange. Like maggots or something.


OH GOD, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT OR I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO HAVE SEX OR EAT FOOD OR FUNCTION IN NORMAL SOCIETY.

Date: 2004-01-11 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
well, like, they had armpit-hair and hair on their heads, you know, but nowhere else, and their legs & stomach & everywhere were totally smooth, like TOTALLY OH GOD *WAAAAIL*



...okay.

Date: 2004-01-11 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
So. How bout 'them gays? :DD

Date: 2004-01-11 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
......

the gays are a-fuckin'.
:-?

Date: 2004-01-11 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
and the straights are a-breedin'. *pets rounded belly* och aye, m'feet are KILLIN' meh.

Date: 2004-01-11 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
y'know what the solution to achin' feet is, don'tcha. ohhhhh yes.



...one sits down & reads some good old-fashioned gay porn.


does the trick every time, it does.

Date: 2004-01-11 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
god bless this fandom. *dons wombat wings with pride*


.......do wombats have wings?


what *is* a wombat, anyway?

Date: 2004-01-11 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
oh, it's not a sort of bat, if that's what you're thinking.


i think it's a soft of.....river animal. ;-?
like. furry. with webbed feet......?

i was -wondering- why you were talking of wings, but, y'know. heh.

Date: 2004-01-11 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
OMFG WILL TAKE OVER FANDOM WITH DEVASTATING FLIPPERS OF DOOM!


i have found my true calling in life. thank you, reena. ♥

Date: 2004-01-11 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
.....you remind me of Little Me.


...and I'm a lot like Scott.



Now we just need to find the brains of this operation.



...except I suspect there are no brains to be had :>

Date: 2004-01-11 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
I think they're infected with Mad Cow.

Date: 2004-01-12 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleveninches.livejournal.com
OH MAN, YOU HAVE TO STOP, I AM CRYING WITH LAUGHTER. I LOVE YOU PEOPLE.

Date: 2004-01-11 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
<3! heeeee! There's a difference between disliking a character and... umm.....
well, obsessively fixating.....? eheheheheh >:D!

Obsessively fixating can be fun, unless you rationalize it too much and try to make it into an objective lens through which to view things. Like. I don't like Ethan either, but mostly because he's so horribly inneffectual and lacking of...spunk. Or... something.

*coughs*
Perhaps I should bring up B/J porn more often, then (there can never be enough porn on my journal... there's like, a weekly allowance I'm probably not meeting. Hmmmm...:-?
*plots* :D!

Date: 2004-01-12 04:48 am (UTC)

Date: 2004-01-11 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ragingpixie.livejournal.com
You are a smart person who should stand on top of mountains and shout things like this. Then maybe all the dumb people (read: people whose opinions differ from mine) will hear you and nod sagely and think "That girl's right."

Yep.

Date: 2004-01-11 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
I really wish it were that easy, ehheh. If getting people to agree to my version of things only took climbing a mountain, I'd get up there pronto and I'd have a looooong list, trust me :D :D!


*giggles* I of course, also think everyone who agrees with me is blindingly right, eheheh. Thus we are both blessed with the porny righteousness. Or something :>

Date: 2004-01-11 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erinface.livejournal.com
You rule and I love you.

Date: 2004-01-11 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
HAHA OH MAN I DID NOT KNOW YOU WERE IN THE QAF FANDOM *REJOICES*

Man, I got into QAF for the sex. What is this characterization bullshit? I think the reply to [livejournal.com profile] hautemonde was like, my only QAF meta ever, except possibly some paragraph on Why Michael Is Not Teh S uck. I don't care. They could make Brian into an alcoholic child molester, whatever, I saw the animal sex in NYC and after that my mind got kind of fuzzy to this 'plot' or whatever it is they call it these days. There's a lot of good stuff in this show besides the porn, and that's why I love Emmett so much as a character, but hi, sex. *one-note*

Date: 2004-01-11 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
....



we truly grok each other on a deep and meaningful level, man.



*feels the LURVE*



also, no, i'm not in the QAF fandom, ie, i don't do much besides watch vids & the actual eps, man. heh.

Date: 2004-01-11 08:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
Yes, Reena, you bring out my deep and pensive side. XD

*feels.....something*

Me neither, but I think 'squealing' should count as 'part of fandom'. Because then I would look a lot more interesting than I really am.

Date: 2004-01-11 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
You can be the snarkily cute mascot of fandom~:))!

You could have little fangs. Like in anime. And possibly cat-ears.



...no, i don't know where i got that image from, why? -.-

Date: 2004-01-11 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
I want to be the 8-ft sausage of fandom.

....DAMN that Draco for beating me to it!


HAHA 'BEAT'. I KILL ME.



.....perhaps I could be a large wombat?

Date: 2004-01-11 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
.......





you want to be the phallic symbol of fandom......???


for fandom to drool over and insert in mary sue epics? and dress up in dresses? and also slashfics where you have anal sex with no lube???

ahahah. *coughs* yeah, um. *looks shifty*
wombat it is, then.

Date: 2004-01-11 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
My wings had better be sparkly, bitch.

And this doesn't mean I don't get the anal sex too!

Date: 2004-01-11 09:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yourpoison.livejournal.com
*comforts*
you can be the lubed!sex symbol of fandom, even. I'm so generous.

Date: 2004-01-11 09:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tocomfortyou.livejournal.com
I will be on icons everywhere. FAME SHALL BE MINE AT LAST.



PILLAGE AND BURN OH YES I SHALL PILLAGE AND BURN!!
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