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Dec. 27th, 2003 02:39 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
reenkaSo. I saw RoTK last night. Finally! And with ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
sistermagpie, at that. Yeah, nyah.
...Do I have thoughts?
No, I don't have thoughts. That said, I may as well say something while I'm still unaware of what most people are saying. Maybe.
I loved this movie just as I loved the other two, though I loved this one more because it just brought everything together and all the overall themes were present. It's a sprawling gorgeous queen of a movie, the grandest most truly royal film I can remember easily. Quite often I was just on the verge of tears merely from the scenery and the music. Ah, the music.
This was such a visual movie. And I was sitting in the second row, so I was all up-close and personal. Too much so, but eh. While everyone probably remembers the slash & the plot & the pretty, I remember that scene where they lit the fires across the mountains, man. That was just so cool I have no words. And the design of the city of Gondor. When I saw it, I got shivery and weepy, like it's the lost city of my heart-- and really, I'm more of a Shire kind of girl. It was just completely breathtaking. The designs in general-- creatures and landscapes-- are completely unmatched by anything for sheer scale and grandeur and sweeping beauty and ability to match the mood. The mountains of New Zealand own my soul, man.
It's hard for me to say anything coherent about it 'cause the story inspires such a deep-seated emotional response in me-- almost a sense of loyalty-- an inspiration. I think it captures that semi-lost sense of fresh wonder that one has watching one's first fantasy movies, or reading legends and fairy-tales. Everything is both intensely physical and larger than life, so that one is swept along completely, losing oneself in the story and the world. The only other movies that have done this to me are `The Neverending Story' and the Star Trek movies. This taps into some primordial source of awe within me, both visually and spiritually, because especially in this movie, the story is one of redemption and hope, and I'm obviously a complete sucker for that traditional fairy-tale motif.
In terms of personalities-- I felt this one was more of an ensemble movie than the other two, but Merry and Pippin came alive for the first time, for me, and I fell in love with them. All of the actors have a wonderful chemistry together, of course, but there was much more attention paid to Merry and Pippin this time, I think. There were fewer moments of comic relief and actual relationship growth or characterization, 'cause it was all-action-all-the-time for most of it, but I think Merry & Pippin remained somewhat outside it all even as they were in the thick of things. It really seemed that they were the hero-protagonists this time even though officially it's still Frodo's story.
I had weird angst, going up and down in terms all the battle scenes. On the one hand, I hate battle scenes, especially melee fighting-- I can't really follow it and visually it overloads me, as well as stressing me out. There were a -lot- of battle scenes in this movie, and mind you that was my least favorite part of `Fellowship' & TTT. This time, though, I had flashes of actually being drawn into it and feeling the glory of battle more than once. I was so inspired and onboard with the cause that I actually liked the unity and valor and mad courage and so on-- maybe that's why I identified with Merry and Pippin. Because I hate fighting, detest war, abhor violence-- but it was hard to withstand the sheer drive of the moment.
I wouldn't say that the movies glorified battle or war by any means, in principle, but in terms of the swell of music and the sounding of horns and the battle cries-- certainly there was something there of glory, especially when the tide had turned in the Fellowship's favor. I found I liked the battle more when they weren't losing. Funny, that. I actually like the uncomfortable feeling of being pulled along into that mindset-- it kind of makes me face my own issues 'cause I do idolize bravery and idealism and righteous anger enough so that it could be used to stir up battle fervor, even though fighting makes me ill.
As before, I still like Arwen (in her one major scene), probably because I'm a sucker for star-crossed love even when it's as melodramatic as all that. My favorite relationship here (take a wild guess) was Merry&Pippin, of course, 'cause they still retained a measure of their innocence and I need that. I didn't feel as close to Frodo and Sam because Frodo was just breaking apart and becoming something less than himself for most of it-- Frodo kind of passed beyond simple humanity and became a pure vessel, so he was hard for me to fully identify with in this movie, though I felt sorry for him. I don't like feeling sorry for characters, though.
Naturally, I loved the Frodo&Sam moments at the end (of all things)-- who wouldn't? There was so much pure emotion that I'd have to be made of steel not to love it. The visual cues made it impossible for me to resist, along with everything else-- I mean... a river of fire, the huge echoing sky, the eagles carrying them away. It's the stuff legends are made of, quite literally.
Even though there was all this grand visual symbolism, I never actually felt like it went over the top. The story could support it, as well as the emotional output of the actors. *sigh* Even the goopiest moments were saved for me 'cause I could sense the genuineness of them, like when Frodo wakes up and all his friends are there, and Sam is smiling at him. Oh man. OH MAN.
Sort of like Viggo still completely sells me as King (mmm, mountain scene! swords! commanding stare!!) and Ian sells me as Gandalf and oooooh Gollum. Yes. They kind of all merged with their parts, they really did. It made me happy to see. The only person I felt was over the top (as usual) was the dwarf, but oh well. Maybe dwarves are just. Like that.
I really liked Faramir. I didn't notice Faramir before, not really, and I didn't have any love for Boromir-- or most of the supporting characters like the dead elf or whatever-- but Faramir is adorable. It's his puppy dog look, man. Yes.
~~
Anyway.
+ Favorite moments....
- Merry and Pippin separate (& anytime either Merry or Pippin is in a scene).
- First sight of Gondor.
- Lighting of the fires.
- "I am no man!" <33333333
- Arwen sees the future.
- Aragorn commands the ghost army (my king! *swoon*.)
- Legolas brings down the elephant-type-creature (he still got it).
- "...but I can carry you."
- "...here at the end of all things." (WAH.)
- Frodo wakes up. (!!! THE SMILE!!)
- Aragorn clasps Legolas' shoulder. (theirloveissopure)
+ Things I (pettily) wish for....
- More Legolas (kicking ass, 'cause that's what he does best).
- More Aragorn/Legolas (theirloveissorestrainedmanlyclasp!).
- More quiet moments of character-interaction.
- More Merry/Pippin-ness (there is never enough!)
~~
Do I see slash? Yes.
Do I need slash? No.
That's basically it, for me. I realize friendship is beautiful without sex, but that doesn't mean I think any friendship is "too pure". Sometimes I just don't see it as being likely or think it would change the dynamic in a weird way, and then it's weird. But Merry & Pippin and Aragorn/Legolas seems ripe for some bit of spice. It'd make it more... I dunno... angsty. Which I like. Perfect harmony grates on one, no? :>
As far as Frodo/Sam.... Eh. More conflicted.
I think I can see how Sam would never admit it to himself 'cause it'd be disrespectful in some way and Frodo just never noticed he had a body since he got the ring. So it's that sense of "it'd never happen" that really prevents me. That said, I think it's got the possibility of want on Sam's side 'cause there is a power imbalance in that relationship, and there's a slight sexualization of anyone you obsess over that much that happens in my mind. Frodo is resolved in his relationship with Sam, but not vice-versa. Sam is ripe for angst, which makes the unrequited thing possible. But no, not requited, weirdly enough.
That said, I can't pair Frodo with anyone else, either, since the reason I can't see him with Sam even in theory is because he's not really as human as he could be once he gets the ring. He reminds me of a priest, maybe, and Sam of a priest's caretaker, if priests had such things.
I can see Merry/Pippin 'cause they're equals and their relationship grew, I think, as -they- grew within the course of the story, so it's not static and has kinetic potential. Aragorn and Legolas-- well-- they're just adorable together, though clearly I don't actually think it'd happen. It's pretty though, who could argue that? But Aragorn is painfully in love with Arwen, which annuls things (and Legolas isn't exactly a sex-crazed teenager anyway). I can definitely see the potential though, sans Arwen. But it doesn't really matter to me.
So yeah.
This pretty much exhausts the subject for me. I loved the movies, and I loved this last part of the trilogy. I can't actually see myself in the fandom in any way, shape or form, because I -have- liked them so much-- so much that they're now -mine-. The story as it stands is enough for me, and I don't feel the need to rehash it and write fanfic and see where things go-- to me, they already went where they needed to go, which is kind of how I feel about QAF also.
All things considered, I -would- like the soundtrack, however~:) Mmmm, Annie Lennox my love.
sistermagpie, at that. Yeah, nyah....Do I have thoughts?
No, I don't have thoughts. That said, I may as well say something while I'm still unaware of what most people are saying. Maybe.
I loved this movie just as I loved the other two, though I loved this one more because it just brought everything together and all the overall themes were present. It's a sprawling gorgeous queen of a movie, the grandest most truly royal film I can remember easily. Quite often I was just on the verge of tears merely from the scenery and the music. Ah, the music.
This was such a visual movie. And I was sitting in the second row, so I was all up-close and personal. Too much so, but eh. While everyone probably remembers the slash & the plot & the pretty, I remember that scene where they lit the fires across the mountains, man. That was just so cool I have no words. And the design of the city of Gondor. When I saw it, I got shivery and weepy, like it's the lost city of my heart-- and really, I'm more of a Shire kind of girl. It was just completely breathtaking. The designs in general-- creatures and landscapes-- are completely unmatched by anything for sheer scale and grandeur and sweeping beauty and ability to match the mood. The mountains of New Zealand own my soul, man.
It's hard for me to say anything coherent about it 'cause the story inspires such a deep-seated emotional response in me-- almost a sense of loyalty-- an inspiration. I think it captures that semi-lost sense of fresh wonder that one has watching one's first fantasy movies, or reading legends and fairy-tales. Everything is both intensely physical and larger than life, so that one is swept along completely, losing oneself in the story and the world. The only other movies that have done this to me are `The Neverending Story' and the Star Trek movies. This taps into some primordial source of awe within me, both visually and spiritually, because especially in this movie, the story is one of redemption and hope, and I'm obviously a complete sucker for that traditional fairy-tale motif.
In terms of personalities-- I felt this one was more of an ensemble movie than the other two, but Merry and Pippin came alive for the first time, for me, and I fell in love with them. All of the actors have a wonderful chemistry together, of course, but there was much more attention paid to Merry and Pippin this time, I think. There were fewer moments of comic relief and actual relationship growth or characterization, 'cause it was all-action-all-the-time for most of it, but I think Merry & Pippin remained somewhat outside it all even as they were in the thick of things. It really seemed that they were the hero-protagonists this time even though officially it's still Frodo's story.
I had weird angst, going up and down in terms all the battle scenes. On the one hand, I hate battle scenes, especially melee fighting-- I can't really follow it and visually it overloads me, as well as stressing me out. There were a -lot- of battle scenes in this movie, and mind you that was my least favorite part of `Fellowship' & TTT. This time, though, I had flashes of actually being drawn into it and feeling the glory of battle more than once. I was so inspired and onboard with the cause that I actually liked the unity and valor and mad courage and so on-- maybe that's why I identified with Merry and Pippin. Because I hate fighting, detest war, abhor violence-- but it was hard to withstand the sheer drive of the moment.
I wouldn't say that the movies glorified battle or war by any means, in principle, but in terms of the swell of music and the sounding of horns and the battle cries-- certainly there was something there of glory, especially when the tide had turned in the Fellowship's favor. I found I liked the battle more when they weren't losing. Funny, that. I actually like the uncomfortable feeling of being pulled along into that mindset-- it kind of makes me face my own issues 'cause I do idolize bravery and idealism and righteous anger enough so that it could be used to stir up battle fervor, even though fighting makes me ill.
As before, I still like Arwen (in her one major scene), probably because I'm a sucker for star-crossed love even when it's as melodramatic as all that. My favorite relationship here (take a wild guess) was Merry&Pippin, of course, 'cause they still retained a measure of their innocence and I need that. I didn't feel as close to Frodo and Sam because Frodo was just breaking apart and becoming something less than himself for most of it-- Frodo kind of passed beyond simple humanity and became a pure vessel, so he was hard for me to fully identify with in this movie, though I felt sorry for him. I don't like feeling sorry for characters, though.
Naturally, I loved the Frodo&Sam moments at the end (of all things)-- who wouldn't? There was so much pure emotion that I'd have to be made of steel not to love it. The visual cues made it impossible for me to resist, along with everything else-- I mean... a river of fire, the huge echoing sky, the eagles carrying them away. It's the stuff legends are made of, quite literally.
Even though there was all this grand visual symbolism, I never actually felt like it went over the top. The story could support it, as well as the emotional output of the actors. *sigh* Even the goopiest moments were saved for me 'cause I could sense the genuineness of them, like when Frodo wakes up and all his friends are there, and Sam is smiling at him. Oh man. OH MAN.
Sort of like Viggo still completely sells me as King (mmm, mountain scene! swords! commanding stare!!) and Ian sells me as Gandalf and oooooh Gollum. Yes. They kind of all merged with their parts, they really did. It made me happy to see. The only person I felt was over the top (as usual) was the dwarf, but oh well. Maybe dwarves are just. Like that.
I really liked Faramir. I didn't notice Faramir before, not really, and I didn't have any love for Boromir-- or most of the supporting characters like the dead elf or whatever-- but Faramir is adorable. It's his puppy dog look, man. Yes.
~~
Anyway.
+ Favorite moments....
- Merry and Pippin separate (& anytime either Merry or Pippin is in a scene).
- First sight of Gondor.
- Lighting of the fires.
- "I am no man!" <33333333
- Arwen sees the future.
- Aragorn commands the ghost army (my king! *swoon*.)
- Legolas brings down the elephant-type-creature (he still got it).
- "...but I can carry you."
- "...here at the end of all things." (WAH.)
- Frodo wakes up. (!!! THE SMILE!!)
- Aragorn clasps Legolas' shoulder. (theirloveissopure)
+ Things I (pettily) wish for....
- More Legolas (kicking ass, 'cause that's what he does best).
- More Aragorn/Legolas (theirloveissorestrainedmanlyclasp!).
- More quiet moments of character-interaction.
- More Merry/Pippin-ness (there is never enough!)
~~
Do I see slash? Yes.
Do I need slash? No.
That's basically it, for me. I realize friendship is beautiful without sex, but that doesn't mean I think any friendship is "too pure". Sometimes I just don't see it as being likely or think it would change the dynamic in a weird way, and then it's weird. But Merry & Pippin and Aragorn/Legolas seems ripe for some bit of spice. It'd make it more... I dunno... angsty. Which I like. Perfect harmony grates on one, no? :>
As far as Frodo/Sam.... Eh. More conflicted.
I think I can see how Sam would never admit it to himself 'cause it'd be disrespectful in some way and Frodo just never noticed he had a body since he got the ring. So it's that sense of "it'd never happen" that really prevents me. That said, I think it's got the possibility of want on Sam's side 'cause there is a power imbalance in that relationship, and there's a slight sexualization of anyone you obsess over that much that happens in my mind. Frodo is resolved in his relationship with Sam, but not vice-versa. Sam is ripe for angst, which makes the unrequited thing possible. But no, not requited, weirdly enough.
That said, I can't pair Frodo with anyone else, either, since the reason I can't see him with Sam even in theory is because he's not really as human as he could be once he gets the ring. He reminds me of a priest, maybe, and Sam of a priest's caretaker, if priests had such things.
I can see Merry/Pippin 'cause they're equals and their relationship grew, I think, as -they- grew within the course of the story, so it's not static and has kinetic potential. Aragorn and Legolas-- well-- they're just adorable together, though clearly I don't actually think it'd happen. It's pretty though, who could argue that? But Aragorn is painfully in love with Arwen, which annuls things (and Legolas isn't exactly a sex-crazed teenager anyway). I can definitely see the potential though, sans Arwen. But it doesn't really matter to me.
So yeah.
This pretty much exhausts the subject for me. I loved the movies, and I loved this last part of the trilogy. I can't actually see myself in the fandom in any way, shape or form, because I -have- liked them so much-- so much that they're now -mine-. The story as it stands is enough for me, and I don't feel the need to rehash it and write fanfic and see where things go-- to me, they already went where they needed to go, which is kind of how I feel about QAF also.
All things considered, I -would- like the soundtrack, however~:) Mmmm, Annie Lennox my love.
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Date: 2003-12-27 03:54 pm (UTC)It's kind of scary the thing I have for characters who are priest-like. Always the guy I go for--but you're right that's totally Frodo.
I love the wake-up scene too. Everybody says it's all mushy and slo-mo but they EARNED IT, dammit!
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Date: 2003-12-27 05:10 pm (UTC)I have a thing for fools, jokers and lunatics. Hee. You know, the most innocent-yet-fiery character, the one who's all intense and powerful and rash. I don't think there's any one person in LoTR who fits that description, though maybe all of them do at one time or another, except the dwarf 'cause I'm just not going there :>
The wake-up scene is just one of those things that you have to suspend your jadedness for-- then again, the whole Trilogy's like that-- and I think possibly Frodo, you'd have to suspend your jadedness for the most 'cause he's just not the sort of person you'd meet every day. People understand "good, kind man" but they don't understand when the kindness gets shorn to the bone and there's only the bare skeleton of a person left, and you can't tell he's kind or righteous 'cause he's not dressing it up and presenting it in a palatable way. I dunno. It's like the ring's a cancer on Frodo and he's let go of all the things that were unnecessary while fighting it.
You know what this reminds me of?
Have you seen `The Order'? That guy in it, he reminds me of Frodo, I guess. There's an essential loneliness to that position which I don't think any amount of fellowship can ever fully penetrate, and that's probably something that really got to Sam 'cause he really wanted to -help- and probably always felt helpless to some extent, no matter what. Sort of the way Gandalf is alone, I guess, and the way Arwen's father is alone. Once you reach a certain level of power & responsibility & knowledge, you are alone in the burden. The fellowship of men can help your purpose but not your heart.
Wah.