~~ tell the truth, but tell it slant.

[reenka]

First of all, this `very important announcement': I am updating links on my recs page and omg. Trin's fanfic reminds me of all the joy I've been forgetting a bit. Every single one. Wah. No serious plotty epics for me, no sir. Gimme the weird, the quirky, the insane, the gorgeous and the deeply unbalanced (but in a brilliant way). Guh. Fiction like a candy-drug-- melting in your mouth, not in your hand. I'm trying to think of "epics I have loved" in general, and am drawing a blank. I like small stories-- tight-knit focus, intense emotion, feverish madness, deep as nightmare and sharp as a knife. The long stories, you can wander in, get lost in-- but for me, that isn't fanfiction, that is a whole new world reinvented. Maybe that's it. In fanfiction, epics get repetitive, plot-devices overused, emotion diluted and momentum lost. If it takes me 25-fucking-chapters to get to a goddamn H/D kiss-- no thank you, goodnight. Hell, I don't even want 15 chapters, though that depends how much UST there is. No, seriously, I have no patience for so-called fanfic-world-building and painstaking characterization efforts. If a ficlet can make me feel the insides of a person in one page, one can -definitely- do it in 10 or whatever the length of a chapter is. Character development is great if you give me some -other- reason to read. I'm a picky biatch with a fickle attention span, what can I say. Being jaded isn't all it's cracked up to be.

In that spirit, a general review-disclaimer:


Sometimes (not often), I just feel so awfully old and jaded about writing (well, fanfic). I've never had tolerance for what I saw as "bad writing" in original fic either (say, Piers Anthony, gack), but for awhile my lust for moremoremore H/D slash overwhelmed any desire to outright reject fics beccause they didn't work for me on some particular issue. I suppose that was the honeymoon period.

spare_change said people's joy in fic seems to have leeched away, and I dunno about other people, I just know about me: I still adore a number of fics, even plebey ones. I have my happy-buttons like everyone else, and if you push them, I will squeal. The problem is, my happy-buttons have remained stable in quantity while my "yuck!" buttons keep multiplying. I don't mean squick, because few pairings or scenarios disgust me on a squick level. I mean fics which automatically am unable to enjoy because of that one particular thing in the fic, regardless of its other attributes-- unless it's very well-written stylistically, but even then-- it's hard to suspend your disbelief when you're constantly reminded of that one thing as you read.

I've seen people protest that these yuck-buttons are offensive if you act as if they're objective measures by using the discourse of "good" vs. "bad" writing or characterization. But the boundary between objective and subjective judgement is very blurry in lit-crit of any sort, it seems to me. I can only say what I think (and even that fluctuates in levels of coherency), whatever the source. If I can't dig it, that's all I know-- not whether I have a -right- to feel this way if I were to project it through some hypothetical objectivity filter, if that even exists.

I seem to upset some people with the confident way I proclaim my opinions, but I don't write in a premeditated manner-- I say it as it comes to me. By default, nothing I say should be taken as "truth", anyway. If I pass judgement, it remains in every case to be "for my purposes only". I can't control people's reactions to my thoughts and I can't control my thoughts-- all I -can- control is their transmission. And I'm too lazy and ultimately self-enclosed to even remember I -have- an audience half the time (the other half, I just wibble because mostly it's silent).

So. Blanket disclaimer-- nothing I say about fic, mine or yours or anyone's, should be taken as truth or as relevant to anyone but me. I ultimately don't -mean- anything as far as actions. I am just writing it to express myself, unless it's a recommendation, in which case I'm trying to give a head's up to people who've found they have similar pre-existing tastes to mine. And yes, I do believe I'm usually right, but that's a human failing that's both rather common and hard to overcome. So bear with me.

I've just bothered several people recently with opinions on fic, and here goes another one, so I had to make sure it's got a proper context this time.
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A list of my positive biases in HP fanfic (to the best of my knowledge) would be as follows:


- 1) Lyricism-- coupled with simplicity in prose-- highly imagistic is preferred.

- 2) Authenticity of Voice-- i.e., does this intuitively sound like the POV character. This will make or break an increasing number of fanfics for me. I don't care what they do as much as I care how they think about/through what they do.

    This is bumped up to (1) in importance if yuck-button in characterization is pushed.

    2a) Characterization biases (this makes me think of spare_change's idea of `emotional territory', because there are definitely repeating themes-- I like the kids snarky, angry, deranged, obsessed, in lust-love and awkward. Hmmmm... projecting much, Reena? Oh yeah, prolly, heh.)

- Harry & Draco biases: obsessive!Draco (a variant being obsessed-with-Harry!Draco); angry!Harry; brattish immature!Draco; unreasonable!Harry; insane!Draco (or Harry, sometimes); forceful!Harry; loser!Draco; hateful-but-loving!Harry; hateful!Draco; snarky!Draco; snarkier!Harry; doofus!Harry (or Draco); clueless-moron!Harry (or Draco); emotionally repressed!Harry; out of control!Harry (and Draco); virgin!Harry; happily nasty!Draco; passionate yet asexual!Harry (and/or Draco, hee).

- Ron biases: doofus!Ron; loyal!Ron; silly!Ron; jaded!Ron; snarky!Ron; put-upon!Ron; crazed!Ron (you'll see I like 'em all that way); smitten!Ron.

- Hermione biases: sensible!Hermione; smirky!Hermione; overwhelmed!Hermione; loyal!Hermione; ingenious-obsessive-planner!Hermione; same old!Hermione, basically. Er, but she has a crush on Ron in my head. Not Harry. At all. In any universe (in my head!).

- Various character biases: Nasty-evil-pompous-insufferable-deluded doofus!Lucius ('nuff said-- I don't like 'im); wise yet human!Dumbledore.

- Snape biases: Bitter and ugly!Snape; really can't let go!Snape; asexual!Snape; greasy bastard!Snape; amoral yet cautious!Snape; not in lust with Lucius or anyone, okay!Snape. Possibly, masturbates-with-snake-stick!Snape (I'm open to possibilities, yeah?) Or possibly a-huge-repressed-pervert-who-watches-boys-nekkid!Snape is okay. Mind the repressed, and the severely-in-denial and the severely-fucked-up, there. For reference, read Rube's `Garish', heh. 'Tis my idea of what Snape's sex-drive would be like, eheheheh. If he had one. I suppose he does, sad little man that he is. (Hey, I like 'im, I do. No, really.)

Also, in no place in my head is there room in Snape's heart for Harry, though I can see a sort of wary (re?)conciliation after which point both would move on & not talk to each other much. Harry does not, cannot, will not ever-ever-ever consider him sexy "just like that". I'd bet even his lovers didn't think he was sexy (and if they said it, he'd have thought they were lying-- his self-esteem doesn't seem to be the best). In my head, he only fucks in the dark. I picture him as masochistic and a really forceful bottom if he ever had gay sex (or any sex! heeeee!) which he doesn't (in my head). In fact, one of my issues with H/S, come to think of it, is that Snape nearly always tops in fic. I mean, yeah, he wouldn't let Harry top him, but that just means he wouldn't fuck Harry in the first place, heh. In my head(!!)

- 3) Various scenario biases-- lumped together last.
    romanticism, passion, creative magic-use, adventure/suspense plot, setting (Hogwarts or pre-Hogwarts, AU, whatever), kink.
    3a) Sexual kink biases in HP fic are: [highlight below if you really want to know]
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wanking, voyeurism, angry sex, first-time, frottage, telepathic/magically-enhanced sex, rough quickies, up-against-a-wall, shower sex (hmm, also rain), helpless-bottom fic, public handjobs/blowjobs/etc, bad sex, light wrist-restraint maybe., spontaneous orgasms.

    3b) Current scenario biases are: in Hogwarts, 6th year, post-OoTP, smutty romantic-but-dark-with-humor. Heh.
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That said.

On to the fic I wanted to mention (finally!!)

    cupiscent's `Surface' isn't working for me. I mean, the writing (my number one kink, so to speak) is brilliant, but no. It's almost like a textbook case of a fic tailor-made not to do it for me, even though it was all unsentimental and well-told and yet.

It pushed not one but two-- a double-whammy of my multiplying yuck-buttons. For one, the Draco is extremely emotionally distant, of the icy breed. Harry is the one who's supposed to want him, which -totally- doesn't work for me, especially when combined with #2: the too-aware voice. Draco doesn't know -everything-, yes, but he knows all sorts of things he shouldn't-- and he acts on them. He's so manipulative that he puts fanon!Lucius to shame, contrasted with a Harry who basically has no chance against him, almost completely within Draco's power. (Will-less!Harry-- another pet peeve.) This could never work for me, ever. I don't care if you're a genius writer, I won't buy it, not in Hogwarts sixth or seventh year.

    One of the things I really dig in a fic above all else is a voice that stays true to being limited to its intended range of awareness. This is what JKR does so well in the books, almost too well, one might say-- Harry perceives, but with a slant. He is not wise or extremely reliable in his perceptiveness. He is bound up by his emotions. He is often -wrong-, most importantly. And it's not a matter of miscalculation, like with this Draco. It's a matter of complete inability to see outside his blinders unless forced to. And I -like- that about him, thankyouverymuch.


And I realized that in general, I have a huge bias towards these not-so-perceptive narrators. They feel real-- they feel -human- to me. I myself always perceive on a somewhat higher-than-average level as far as I can tell, and as a writer and ultimately the narrator, I am very conscious of the risk of filtering my own voice through the characters too blatantly. I'm just very sensitized to that.

I also happen to think that this high level of perceptiveness is hugely OOC for Draco (or Harry for that matter). It is possibly among my top 3 yuck-buttons in his characterization, somewhat related to the others because of their strong too-good-to-be-true feel (I never like fics that lie to me, which is what a too-good-to-be-true characterization fantasy basically is. I suppose this might be related to my issue with forced-feeling smutfic. Like, if you had to force it to happen, plot-wise or smut-wise or characterization-wise, most likely it'll translate as fake-sounding to me anyway. But what do I know. Which is why I dislike the idea of inscribing my own kinks onto characters that don't support them easily-- like writing sophisticated kinky sex for 16 year-old boys is a no-thank-you because if I can't see it happening, I don't find it hot. This is a problem in fanfic 'cause I just don't -care- about the sex-life of anyone outside my OTPs, and Sirius/Remus is only hot in `Drawing Down the Moon'. Thus I remain mired in fumbling angry handjobs. But hey, I dig it)

The other 2 huge yuck-buttons for me with Draco are emotional sensitivity (I think he -is-, but not in an empathic, emotionally-intelligent way) and ice-princehood, which is basically that certain sort of fanon which proclaims Draco is Spock Jr. for no apparent archetypally-based reason I can extrapolate instinctively (though I know there are reasons for these characterizations-- all of them).
    Regardless, combining sexually-savvy ice-prince!Draco and coldly-perceptive-thinker!Draco in one fic like with `Surface' is just the knell of doom, basically. I think all in all, it was actually a good show for a certain sort of fanon!Draco, but much as I love a few of his fanon incarnations (heeee *cuddles baby UL!Draco-kins*)... ahem... I hate the rest of them. Or rather, they leave me cold. I mean, why -should- I care? He's so sadly... boring. And perfectly doomed. And angstily boring. Why the bloody fuck does Harry want him, again?

So yeah, a Draco who's basically -right- about Harry rings so false to me as to be a deafening bell of wrongness. Only Hermione or Dumbledore or Remus would be so perceptive, and each would also have very strong slants to their vision of him. To have Draco simply wake up and be an adult who transcends petty tantrums "just like that" enough to see Harry in a revelatory light in a complete yuck-button to me. -And- I believe it's just plain OOC in a way I can't abide with. This over-perceptiveness is a very, very common lapse in many writers' characterizations of many characters, but that doesn't make it hurt my sensibilities less-- it just sensitizes me, actually.

I -want- characters to be wrong. It's... fun. I creates dramatic suspense. It's true-to-life. And in the overwhelming majority of cases, it will make for a better story as far as I can tell, no matter how intrinsic it seems to the whole structure of the plot as it stands. (And in `Surface', Draco's cold-calculatingness is pretty damn intrinsic).
    And while `Surface' has that lyrical spare style I adore, and I recced and loved cupiscent's other, post-Hogwarts story, this doesn't work for me at all-- not if it's set in Hogwarts. Not with no intervening experiences to allow Draco to grow up, basically. No amount of angst or H/D or good writing is enough for me to believe in this Draco anymore, and I'm not sad at all. I'm glad.

My unreasoning infatuation with H/D fic (not equivalent to H/D) may be dimming, but this is basically just me being true to myself, biases and all. There's a wide world out there, beyond fanfic, after all, and mere addiction to H/D porn isn't going to keep me away from it forever. So yeah. NaNoWriMo, man.

Comments

[lasultrix.livejournal.com]

Go you, kid. Say it like you see it. Even if approximately 500 people are about to come tearing into this LJ saying "I FIND SNAPE DEAD SEXY!"

By the way, in the past couple of days I've watched a season and a half of Highlander. The canon D/M love is back, baby. With a vengeance and a katana.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

heee. i could go for some highlander right now myself. eeeeee, methos. it's really been awhile. i should read that novel you say is the best evah, 'cause i twust you & also because DUDE NO ONE WRITES BADFIC IN HIGHLANDER LIKE IN HP -.-
ahahah...ha.
no, like, does anyone make methos into some sort of opposite of himself...? and what would be the opposite of methos?
although i could see all sorts of bad characterizations of duncan happening. still. heeeeeee.
you know. i could appreciate the grown-up gay too, come to think of it.

oh yes :D :D :D
i'm happy for you & the katana of slashiness :D

[kaiz.livejournal.com]

NO ONE WRITES BADFIC IN HIGHLANDER LIKE IN HP. ahahah...ha.
no, like, does anyone make methos into some sort of opposite of himself...?

Unfortunately, the answer is yes. The number of femmed-out, wussified, sobbing, girly-man, I-was-Death-and-I'm-SOOOO-Sorry-Please-Beat-Me Methoses out there is truly frightening.

[lasultrix.livejournal.com]

Ohmygod that trilogy you HAVE to read it. When you have a free day, or possibly weekend. It fucking kills me with its greatness.

Opposite of Methos? The all too frequently seen Crybaby!Methos. "I NEED YOUR NOBLE WUV, DUNCAN!"

[shadowluck.livejournal.com]

Hey, I like stories which take 25 chapters to get to a kiss. *pouts*

Was reading your nice, detailed review and wondering why the title sounded so familiar - when I realised - this was the fic I tried reading an hour a go and gave up on after three paragraphs!

Didn't have time to consider qualities of characterisation, as my interest immediately waned upon reading the phrase 'green eyes jerked upwards'.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Hee! I'm impressed, you're more fickle and quick to judge than I am. Though I admit I stumbled over that line too ^^;
Dude. Depends on the fic, I guess. I've read one Highlander fic which took forever to get to the slash, but hey, it had enough plot to give birth to several hippos, so it was okay. Sort of.
Sort of, you know, ambling along for all those chapters just ain't gonna cut it for me. A lot of -books- aren't much more than 25 chapters. And I'm not into the "only kissed at the end"-- that's why I don't read Harlequin romances, man >

[sarahtales.livejournal.com]

Hell, I don't even want 15 chapters, though that depends how much UST there is.

Lyricism-- coupled with simplicity in prose-- highly imagistic is preferred.

Harry is the one who's supposed to want him, which -totally- doesn't work for me.


*looks guilty and goes to hide in her storm cellar. Mmm, storm cellar.*
In re: 'Surface' I didn't see it as ice-prince Draco (I mean, at first I did and was all 'wtf, no!') but after the Mother Revelation I just saw it as devastated by grief and thus all distanty feeling. Thus I liked it.
back to the storm cellar.

[bookshop.livejournal.com]

See, I agree with Reena's assessment of the fic to a large extent, but I could have bought Draco's distance in and of itself. But The Mother Revelation to me was itself so out-of-character that it ruined the fic for me. That Particular Kind of Resolution just *cannot* be in-character and still be Harry. I mean, it just goes against the very essence of what Harry Potter *is,* regardless of how much Draco or his feelings for Draco fuck him up. Eh. Now that I think of it I can't recall a single fic with that Mother Revelation that I've actually found in-character and/or enjoyed.

OMG DRACO MALFOY IS SITTING RIGHT ACROSS THIS COMPUTER CARREL FROM ME OMG *GIBBERS* MUST OGLE BE BACK LATER!

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

heeee. don't you know by now that you can get away with anything, dear? hee. because you caaaaan :D :D
most of my stuff applies "in generalis", but you make it work like magic. but see, i need to seee whyyyy harry wants draaaco, and in UL i doooo so all is guuut! :D
and yah, he wasn't all ice-princey necessarily throughout buuuut i -still- didn't see why harry wanted him -or- why he was all perceptive and brilliantly deductive. sure okay he's distanty 'cause of grief but that doesn't make him any more brilliant, yeah?

also, i included the "UST" bit just for youuuu so you wouldn't wibble, 'cause UL has enough UST to put down a largish horse, man. ~:))
*offers you horsemeat sandwich* :D :D

[imation23.livejournal.com]

- Ron biases: doofus!Ron; loyal!Ron; silly!Ron; jaded!Ron; snarky!Ron; put-upon!Ron; crazed!Ron (you'll see I like 'em all that way); smitten!Ron.

- Hermione biases: sensible!Hermione; smirky!Hermione; overwhelmed!Hermione; loyal!Hermione; ingenious-obsessive-planner!Hermione; same old!Hermione, basically. Er, but she has a crush on Ron in my head. Not Harry. At all. In any universe (in my head!).

My head too! *g* I love these two characters in all their manifestations.

And I'm not saying your opinion isn't valid in any way, I just wanted to mention that I love epics, but only certain epics. Some writers do big giant fics very well, and others are better at short pieces. And my joy in fic? Hasn't drained away at all. I'm still not exactly sure why this would happen. I mean, coming across a bad fic only increases my appreciation of the good things I read.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Nah, it's just that after more than a year, I get tired of repetition, I guess, in general. I might still have another year in me, but in general, one feels burnt out after doing the same thing for awhile. I'm still into it, I'm just more finicky, like after a really large meal~:)
Also, I love certain epics too, but mind you "epic" doesn't just mean "chaptered fic", it means a chaptered fic of a certain sort-- the scope, the blahblah exposition-and-build-up, the huge spanning conflict across 3 years, etc. Most people's epics have such wild inconsistencies in quality, in HP. I mean... no one's really -finished- one (though there are finished chaptered fics). I guess LUW is an epic but UL isn't, you know? That sort of thing.

To me, epic is more than -one- chaptered fic in a -sequence-. Or a chaptered fic with over 30 chapters not written by a plebe (who'd have 2 page long chapters). But yes, different writers certainly have different strengths, it's just that most of the amateur writers in fandom aren't good enough to write epics, heheheh.

Or at least, they depend more on characterization & plot rather than emotion & language, which I feel more critical of & don't fall in love with as madly. I've never seen anyone hold a Really Great In-character characterization across chaptered fics... unless they were making up fanon as they went along (and thus turning them closer and closer to original characters)-- which is you know, the DT for you~:)

[ztrin.livejournal.com]

*facepalms* OMFG reenka, but you are seriously too nice to me about my writing. <3 I am writing your letter as I speak (you asked for rambly, I give).

I hate epics with the passion of a thousand burning suns. It's in part because of my terribly short attention span (hello, MTV!) but also because most epics meander to the point of incoherency - I like fics to be blunt and painfully real. Unless it's an excellent writer at work, the impact of the fic lessens over the period of time it's written and the amount of chapters. Anyway, it takes ages for updates, by which time I'll have forgotten what happened.

And savvy, ice-prince Draco doesn't work for me either. *high fives you* It comes off as a sexual stereotype, no matter how well-characterised it is; the thing about this impression is that the reader immediately feels a sense of disdain because hell yeah, we've come across this guy before in movies, books, etc. Why would we want to encounter him in fanfic, only gay?

At least, that's how it works for me. I love awkwardness, long silences, people not knowing what the hell is going on and what the hell they're doing. It happens in real life and it's painful enough as it is - you don't need dramatic angst or anything (though I'm horrendously guilty of that) - I've had enough tones of the high fantastical and unrealistic from the fact this is happening to WIZARDS, thankyouverymuch.

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

Heee! Rambly!! eeeeeeeeee :D :D
*bounces!*
<3!
I was thinking that I'm like, particularly suited to be your reader. Like, you know, some writers need a particular sort of audience, they say. Well, I'm your audience, heheheh. It hits the spot, what can I do about it?~:)) I tell it like it is >:D<

I so totally forget what happened all the time. It's embarrassing and tedious to always go back and re-read. Like a broken record. "beeeep! start again" :/

Ahahaha, it's so true, because ice-prince!Draco isn't even unique in HP fandom. Or any fandom. He's not just a -Draco- stereotype, he's like the Tall-Dark-Handsome-and-Icy (except without the dark, eheheh). I liked Spock but you know, that was his -point-. Unemotional characterizations work (when they do) because you -start- with the unemotionality and then you -subvert- it as the point of the story. Which is fun. And then at the end they turn into raving lunatics who gibber and go sexsexsexguh all the time :D :D

This is true. It is all happening to wizards. *stops to think*
I don't think there's enough mention of that. Of course they're teenagers and not first-years, but I'd still be "OMG I AM A WIZARD!! GOOD GOLLY MISS MOLLY!!1 >:O" even 4 years later. erm. But that's me -.-

Dramatic angst makes me laugh too easily 'cause a lot of people make it all melodramatic and over-the-top (I mean there's a -difference- between drama and melodrama but most people don't observe it). Heee. Except like, Harry & Draco wouldn't do the normal "`Eeek! I like you! eeeek'.... *silence*.... er... yeah.... so.......... um......... yeah....." sort of thing, 'cause Harry would be all "FUCK YOU DIE" except like, :T (without saying it) and Draco would be like, "YOU INFIDEL YOU WILL PAY" except he'd be :/ all sneery and trying to act cool and failing. eheheheheh. They are so cute it kills me.

Your albino-spider!Draco is possibly one of my top-3 favorite Draco's ever :D :D :D heeeeee. That or the chihuahua!Draco. See what I mean about the right sort of audience? It just totally makes sense to me. Like, yes of course they're all insane and think of little dogs and Draco has flies follow him and they talk and. I mean, obviously. It's all perfectly natural to me ~:))

Er, yes. So what -is- the title of that lord-of-the-flies!Draco fic, anyway? :>

[ztrin.livejournal.com]

Well, I thought it would be adorable if Harry would attempt to all macho and cool about it and go, "Hey, Malfoy, yo, wassup, etc, Ireallylikeyou" and Draco would be "......... what the fuck?" and Harry tries to walk away really casually, winds up tripping over somebody's feet while Draco is still all ".... should I hit him now?"

And er, the lord of the flies thing doesn't have any title, because I suck that way. I may have given it a title a while ago, but I forgot. :>

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

*weeps copiously*
i miss your sillyfic, man :((
not to mention the H/D!!1
it's rather funny that in my list of positive biases i completely forgot "WILL SELL SOUL FOR HUMOR & PARODY"
hee. because it's like, i just -forget- it all the time, it's that intrinsic, maybe. hmmm. or maybe i'm just soft on boys being dorks :D :D there's just nothing that has quite the same kick. girls aren't as dorky 'cause it's like... if they're dumb, they're just annoying. or is that just me? ahahah. *coughs*

[sistermagpie.livejournal.com]

I was kind of thinking about something related to this last night...about imperfect characters who are wrong. Hmmm...think I may have to work this out in my lj.

But anyway, yes, I think it's normal to start aquiring more and more turn-offs while your happy buttons stay more or less the same. In the beginning you're just so glad to see Harry and Draco together you read all you can. Then think start to get familiar. You realize wait, those stories that don't stay with me or end up annoying me do this and this and this so I don't want to read any further. Yesterday I started to read "True Faith" and stopped quickly because it hit something for me like that.

The thing with fanfic is that you really don't read it like you read non-fanfic. You're reading it looking for something. You've got canon for the "story," but then you want to see things opened out or explored. There's just no reason to stick with a story that's exploring the very attitudes or ideas you'd want to get away from in canon or in life.

[cathexys.livejournal.com]

And, if you're me or thousands of other *slashers* (as opposed to people who are into the source text and like slashing it), at some point you may move onto a new playing field and get to rediscover all of *its* kinks and cliches and quirks and stuff...

Though, often people will bring their particular kinks with them; e.g., I didn't have to read a single hp rushlight story to know exactly what i would be getting, b/c i'd read her stuff in other fandoms (and hp proved true to form :-)

But that just gets me to my favorite theory about slash being like a drug and every new fandom briefly simulates that first big high but never reaches it completely...and we forever chase it *g*

As for fics...we're on totally opposite spectrums...while I very much appreciate the short and hard and fast little fic that cuts you up inside, I do like the chapters of unresolved or even resolved tension...but I agree that your taste gets more discriminating along the way, and I think that's not a bad thing...

Amazing how you can so clearly analyze what does and doesn't work for you...I'm usually more able to talk about a particular fic, but I don't think I've read enough in hp to have large-scale hatreds (unless they are utterly and completely ooc or it's marauder fic)...

[yourpoison.livejournal.com]

I can't decide whether I'm a slasher or not. I mean, I -am-, I just don't know if this fanfic-reading thing is a phase or not. I dunno. I've read Star Trek commercial novels and Star Wars novels before I knew about non-commercial fanfic or went online, but. That burnt out after a couple of years. So I think maybe I'll come back to it off and on, but in general it's HP that's grabbed me, even though slash is a drug-- it's just I have so -many- drugs o_0

I mean, I haven't been watching enough anime or reading enough comics or fantasy novels or whatnot lately-- it's all been slashslashslashslash. Even though I may change the fandom I'm reading it, it's not enough-- few fandoms really -do it- for me like HP, anyway. I -enjoyed- SW:TPM and even Voyager and Gundam Wing and Highlander, but on a light, several-months-tops sort of way. It burns out too quickly and there are just not enough fandoms out there and I'm too picky in terms of what dynamic I want for my slash couple. It's weird, 'cause I'm such a sucker for so many kinds of het pairings in movies & books, but because I tend to operate via OTPs in fanfic for some reason (because the pairing -can- be repeated so I -want- it to be), it really limits the possibilities.

And even if emotionally, I could dig a lot of fandoms, most of their environment isn't my thing, not in Western fandom. I like fantasy settings & anime-shoujo-High-School-type stuff (which is really badly fanficced when it is). I sometimes dig a setting (like Buffy) but cannot imagine getting into the fanfic because it's just so -complete- somehow, and I just think the source material is so highly satisfactory. I -do- want to read Really Really Good post-season-7 Spuffy but I won't because it just won't be Good Enough, somehow. I dunno how I know that. Also, a lot of these shows (Buffy, X-Files) that I've watched when they came out, I am too attached to the canon pairings & the canon itself to read -any- fanfic, really. With Star Trek, I never really watched canon much for the original-- I just read the novels. With ST:TNG and DS9, I -did- watch canon so I didn't read any novels or fic. But anyway, yeah. I see my days as being numbered ^^;

I do like chaptered fics and character-based tension-- which isn't the same as epics~:)
Epics are plotty-- not as character-tension driven-- have lots of set-up and world-building and extra characters and complications and blahblah who cares. I don't wanna read about Dean and Sirius and Dumbledore and Hermione and Parvati too, but that's what happens with real epics. Sigh.
I think Olympia's `Shining Prince' series is just short of an epic, btw. So is Ivy's Cicatrix series. They've very very character driven rather than plot driven, which just makes them long versions of fast emotional stylistic fics. I dunno. It's just how they write, I think.

I can analyze what works & doesn't work for me in lots of areas. Plus I'm obsessed with lists & analyzing myself. Hee. And I've read waaaaaaaaay too much H/D by now. Waaaaaayyyyyy too much. I can't even comprehend how much I've read of it. It's scary, man.

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I hate lj...I actually just went back through my flist trying to remember where I commented all day...otherwise I'd never have seen your response...

See, I define "slasher" as someone who is in it for the slash before the source text (and that's my own idiosyncratic definition; I'm sure many others feel very differently). That doesn't mean I don't like the source text, but it means I don't have to...in fact, as a reader, I can read the slash *before* seeing the show etc. (though if I were to write, I'd certainly get my canon straight...in fact, maybe part of my problem with writing is that I have never feel invested enough in any particular fandom after Buffy where I went from show to slash but am too much of a canon whore to just ignore canon.)

You don't seem to like older guys, so most of the cop shows are out...and I guess I won't even try to drag you into my sparkly world, right??? *bg* (though they're the right age...just not in high school :-)

I think I see where you're going with the differentiation between epic and long character driven fics...I like both! I like the world building, though it often deteriorates into body fics, but I have a special place in my heart for very, very long character driven stories...I mean hundreds of pages of angsting and I'm there :-)

Not that I don't like plot, but I'm more concerned with the emotional repercussions of a battle than the blow-by-blow for pages...

I actually do like the side characters, though, but then I read just about any pairing, so I do like large casts...

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Heh. Funny thing is, I -do- stick with these bad fics, unless they're -really- bad and they -really- piss me off (like `All Torn Down'-- for some reason I can't even imagine finishing that, like -ever-). I dunno if I start off knowing what I want from a particular fic-- though I always have what I want in general in the background. But yes... though I don't drop stories all that much. Sigh. I should, I think.
It's funny that so many things do work for me, considering how many turn-off's I have -.-