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reenkapeering at yr awen's fic, it strikes me again. what is the -attraction- of older!draco? is there some correlation between being 24 and up and -writing- about 24 and up? hahaha, well, not for me, obviously. not that i write about 12 year-olds, either. mostly, a matured!draco is an unattractive draco, to me. but that's just me. still, though.
does that mean they (the writers-- there i go, generalizing again, yep) don't think 15-year-old-dork!draco isn't worth writing about? is boring to write about? isn't sexy enough? isn't a good match for harry? is too difficult to correctly characterize?
i get this feeling-- in like, every older!draco fic -i've- seen-- that the reason they age him up this much is basically, to cheat and to change his personality somewhat to better suit their purposes. he's like, -never- an immature stupid git anymore. at least, he's "seen" things and he knows better than to throw things like "mudbloods first" and "potter stinks" around, and so on. it's not so much that he's kinder or gentler-- no, he's closer to snape, except not as horribly scarred and delightfully sharp as snape (depending on the writer of course).
you know and i know that people don't really "mature" very much in the 5 years between 17 and 22. i sure didn't. i go to college, and i do -not- see a lot of improvement here. ahem.
of course, of course, taking part in war, seeing your parents die, having to pick sides and do horrible deeds and so on and so forth, would leave its mark. maybe it's merely the fact that unlike snape and harry, who i think would wear it well, experience and darkness wouldn't sit all that well on draco.
his charm is his complete impossibly annoying and deluded attitude. loser dorks don't do well in the "real world" of wars and Issues that they have to finally face. i mean, it's a make-you-or-break-you sort of situation, and my bet would be, it would break draco.
and if it -didn't-, my big drive to see h & d together is gone-- draco (not to mention harry) has -dealt- with all these issues, have grown up. they can't change each other and give each other strength in the same way anymore. i mean... they didn't go through it -together-, and now all that's left is picking up the pieces.
now, i -have- read fics that succeed at making post-hogwarts!draco adorable and sexy and interesting. *coughs*maya*coughs*~:)
but they're usually by the people who have a Deep Sense for draco's adorableness. i mean, yah. it's hard to make war-hardened veterans be silly dorks, too. it takes talent most people don't have :D
and it just never rings true to me (most times)-- either death-eater!draco or self-redeemed!draco. i'm like, ooooh-kay. he's all better now. he's seen the light. or, ooohhh-kayyyy, he's more evil than ever! yeay!
i mean, i didn't see it happen, so i have to just swallow it, and it's a -major- leap in characterization, right there. similar to starting a story with enemies already in love (if not yet admittedly so). where's the fun left? of course, my fun isn't another person's fun. my fun is seeing draco change (if that indeed happens). an already-changed draco is a boring draco. a changed -harry- is interesting, merely because we know him better and it's cute to see him go insane and stuff.
maybe i'm missing something. something extremely sexy, to do with being of-age and "experienced" and past the stage of the silly foibles of one's youth. but goddamnit, how can you not adore those foibles too much to let them go?? ok, so draco's foibles are sort of (ok, really) offensive and juvenile and rather embarrassing to keep after a certain point. but. maybe i just don't get the draco mystique. that must be it. because draco's mystique only grows with age, obviously. like... fine wine. yah. that's it.
grown-up!draco is just so unsexy to me i can't begin to explain it. of course, grown-upness bothers me in general, so it's not surprise, but when you're as immature and stunted as draco, after 5 years, you'd hope he's as mature as a "normal" 16 year-old, or something. sigh. i can't believe i think this much about this. I NEED HELP!!! ahahaha. ahem. *coughs and looks away*
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on the one hand, i think this pic of harry & draco is pretty funny and sort of... i dunno... adorable... or i would, if it wasn't surrounded by the most aggravating homophobic hypocritical comments i've -seen-, or maybe (thankfully), i just don't hang around the right places (i know that's true). gah, and gah, and gah a zillion times over. i'm not -surprised- or anything-- i mean-- i know there are lots of people who think people who like hp slash are like, evil perverts (and not that i'll -deny- being a pervert-- and no one would do more than smirk if i was a purely -hetero- oriented pervert). it's just... so -offensive- to be on the receiving end of just sweeping antipathy.
no one's ever discriminated against something i thought i was or cared about. maybe i just don't pay attention. okay, i lie. i mean, what about the people who bash women and feminists and pagans and queers and russians and jews and the intelligentsia and white people and liberals and... i'm sure i can think of more things. but there's a difference there. i don't really get -as- offended if it's something i -am- (like a girl or a feminist or whatever), because that's just garden-variety prejudice. it's people bashing forward ideas-- that never hurt anyone-- that are founded in the best intentions--
i dunno. how is saying "hp slash is wrong but slash is okay if it's about established gay characters over the age of majority" different from "all slash is wrong and gay people are the scum of the earth"?
i guess it just takes me by surprise in this case, even as often as i've seen it referred to. they seem so -innocent-, so adorable and pretty in my head. it's all beautiful and full of love and passion, all the things everyone should be able to appreciate, isn't it? i mean... it's not something that doesn't -have- an intrinsic emotional valence-- like say, the color of one's skin. that's something one -assigns- emotional significance to, it's not really -there- to start with.
like, take a hetero romance. they make disney movies about kids in love. kids. like, eight years old, five years old, three years old-- when we see toddlers kissing, do we gasp in horror??! what?
no, it's seen as adorable, nostalgic, beautiful, innocent, pure, and so on. childhood love-- first love-- puppy love-- crushes-- they're all g-rated material, not even pg. love in any form-- discriminating against it-- is, on some deep level, incomprehensible to me, rather like hating puppies and ice-cream on principle (personal taste aside-- i prefer kittens to puppies, personally, and some people are allergic to kittens, and lactose intolerant, and so on and so forth, but bear with me here).
now, if hp slash equalled tentacle sex and heavy bondage and violent dismemberment, that'd be different. but this is puppy love we're talking here (ok, messed up, violent, overly melodramatic even for puppy love, but still). do they have no heart? i mean, love is what ties everyone together, isn't it? ok, so it's what tears everyone apart, too. sigh.
anyway, this only applies to people who are professedly okay with slash in general, but it's just children's book slash, or slash of characters they want "pure" and "straight" and "innocent fantasy" material that bothers them. that's just so hypocritical and disgusting to me, i have no words.
the idea of "hands-off they're straight" characters is annoying in itself, of course, and prompted my extreme anger at whoever twisted that whole "why do you think harry & draco are gay?" thread on hp_outercircle. but i just don't see what's so offensive and wrong about two boys in love, if you're okay with slash (of course, this seems like a transparent lie, but i'll just humor them). i mean, if it's hermione and draco, and they're 13 or 14 or 15, they can make out and he can feel up her breasts, and it'd be kind of expected, `the wonder years' material, wouldn't it? does `the wonder years' offend someone? no? what about 95% of all family sitcoms on tv, which feature underage dating?
anyway. whatever. i'm not really helping anything, since "they" won't read this. my obvious point was, that if it's okay for 5 year-old suzie and billy to kiss and hold hands, it should be okay for 15 year-old harry & draco to do the same. unless you're homophobic. sigh. and unless you think all slash equals hot wild sex, which sadly it doesn't ^^;;
honestly. 95% of all h/d fics are pg13.
anyway, in summation, grrr, grr, grrrrrrrr.
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on a happier note, the artist of that pic, mel miller, has a comic art section of her website, with some really adorable images. this cartoon from Mad Magazine being the cutest thing :D plus, i can't hold it against -her-, since her draco is just delicious ~:) *pervs all over picture, so nyah!*
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and, eep, am horribly back-logged in reading/responding (as well as most other things in life, truth be told). am bad, bad, bad reader/student/writer/person. no cookie.
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EDIT - this is a brilliant example of why writing h/d s&m shouldn't be attempted by "viewers at home" so to speak. my -gahd-. my eyes hurt.
in the immortal (well, now that -i- repeat them, anyway) words of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
geekerypokery: But, porn, I /love/ you. Why do you want to hurt me?.
AMEN, sistah!!!
and wah, this is PRICELESS. ahahahahahaha. and just how disturbing is -that-?! [...as in, eeeeee, magical dildos! what's next?? ...and just how wrong is it that i think characters from a fandom i don't even -know- having FOREHEAD DILDO sex is sexier than h&d alone in a room together??]
does that mean they (the writers-- there i go, generalizing again, yep) don't think 15-year-old-dork!draco isn't worth writing about? is boring to write about? isn't sexy enough? isn't a good match for harry? is too difficult to correctly characterize?
i get this feeling-- in like, every older!draco fic -i've- seen-- that the reason they age him up this much is basically, to cheat and to change his personality somewhat to better suit their purposes. he's like, -never- an immature stupid git anymore. at least, he's "seen" things and he knows better than to throw things like "mudbloods first" and "potter stinks" around, and so on. it's not so much that he's kinder or gentler-- no, he's closer to snape, except not as horribly scarred and delightfully sharp as snape (depending on the writer of course).
you know and i know that people don't really "mature" very much in the 5 years between 17 and 22. i sure didn't. i go to college, and i do -not- see a lot of improvement here. ahem.
of course, of course, taking part in war, seeing your parents die, having to pick sides and do horrible deeds and so on and so forth, would leave its mark. maybe it's merely the fact that unlike snape and harry, who i think would wear it well, experience and darkness wouldn't sit all that well on draco.
his charm is his complete impossibly annoying and deluded attitude. loser dorks don't do well in the "real world" of wars and Issues that they have to finally face. i mean, it's a make-you-or-break-you sort of situation, and my bet would be, it would break draco.
and if it -didn't-, my big drive to see h & d together is gone-- draco (not to mention harry) has -dealt- with all these issues, have grown up. they can't change each other and give each other strength in the same way anymore. i mean... they didn't go through it -together-, and now all that's left is picking up the pieces.
now, i -have- read fics that succeed at making post-hogwarts!draco adorable and sexy and interesting. *coughs*maya*coughs*~:)
but they're usually by the people who have a Deep Sense for draco's adorableness. i mean, yah. it's hard to make war-hardened veterans be silly dorks, too. it takes talent most people don't have :D
and it just never rings true to me (most times)-- either death-eater!draco or self-redeemed!draco. i'm like, ooooh-kay. he's all better now. he's seen the light. or, ooohhh-kayyyy, he's more evil than ever! yeay!
i mean, i didn't see it happen, so i have to just swallow it, and it's a -major- leap in characterization, right there. similar to starting a story with enemies already in love (if not yet admittedly so). where's the fun left? of course, my fun isn't another person's fun. my fun is seeing draco change (if that indeed happens). an already-changed draco is a boring draco. a changed -harry- is interesting, merely because we know him better and it's cute to see him go insane and stuff.
maybe i'm missing something. something extremely sexy, to do with being of-age and "experienced" and past the stage of the silly foibles of one's youth. but goddamnit, how can you not adore those foibles too much to let them go?? ok, so draco's foibles are sort of (ok, really) offensive and juvenile and rather embarrassing to keep after a certain point. but. maybe i just don't get the draco mystique. that must be it. because draco's mystique only grows with age, obviously. like... fine wine. yah. that's it.
grown-up!draco is just so unsexy to me i can't begin to explain it. of course, grown-upness bothers me in general, so it's not surprise, but when you're as immature and stunted as draco, after 5 years, you'd hope he's as mature as a "normal" 16 year-old, or something. sigh. i can't believe i think this much about this. I NEED HELP!!! ahahaha. ahem. *coughs and looks away*
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on the one hand, i think this pic of harry & draco is pretty funny and sort of... i dunno... adorable... or i would, if it wasn't surrounded by the most aggravating homophobic hypocritical comments i've -seen-, or maybe (thankfully), i just don't hang around the right places (i know that's true). gah, and gah, and gah a zillion times over. i'm not -surprised- or anything-- i mean-- i know there are lots of people who think people who like hp slash are like, evil perverts (and not that i'll -deny- being a pervert-- and no one would do more than smirk if i was a purely -hetero- oriented pervert). it's just... so -offensive- to be on the receiving end of just sweeping antipathy.
no one's ever discriminated against something i thought i was or cared about. maybe i just don't pay attention. okay, i lie. i mean, what about the people who bash women and feminists and pagans and queers and russians and jews and the intelligentsia and white people and liberals and... i'm sure i can think of more things. but there's a difference there. i don't really get -as- offended if it's something i -am- (like a girl or a feminist or whatever), because that's just garden-variety prejudice. it's people bashing forward ideas-- that never hurt anyone-- that are founded in the best intentions--
i dunno. how is saying "hp slash is wrong but slash is okay if it's about established gay characters over the age of majority" different from "all slash is wrong and gay people are the scum of the earth"?
i guess it just takes me by surprise in this case, even as often as i've seen it referred to. they seem so -innocent-, so adorable and pretty in my head. it's all beautiful and full of love and passion, all the things everyone should be able to appreciate, isn't it? i mean... it's not something that doesn't -have- an intrinsic emotional valence-- like say, the color of one's skin. that's something one -assigns- emotional significance to, it's not really -there- to start with.
like, take a hetero romance. they make disney movies about kids in love. kids. like, eight years old, five years old, three years old-- when we see toddlers kissing, do we gasp in horror??! what?
no, it's seen as adorable, nostalgic, beautiful, innocent, pure, and so on. childhood love-- first love-- puppy love-- crushes-- they're all g-rated material, not even pg. love in any form-- discriminating against it-- is, on some deep level, incomprehensible to me, rather like hating puppies and ice-cream on principle (personal taste aside-- i prefer kittens to puppies, personally, and some people are allergic to kittens, and lactose intolerant, and so on and so forth, but bear with me here).
now, if hp slash equalled tentacle sex and heavy bondage and violent dismemberment, that'd be different. but this is puppy love we're talking here (ok, messed up, violent, overly melodramatic even for puppy love, but still). do they have no heart? i mean, love is what ties everyone together, isn't it? ok, so it's what tears everyone apart, too. sigh.
anyway, this only applies to people who are professedly okay with slash in general, but it's just children's book slash, or slash of characters they want "pure" and "straight" and "innocent fantasy" material that bothers them. that's just so hypocritical and disgusting to me, i have no words.
the idea of "hands-off they're straight" characters is annoying in itself, of course, and prompted my extreme anger at whoever twisted that whole "why do you think harry & draco are gay?" thread on hp_outercircle. but i just don't see what's so offensive and wrong about two boys in love, if you're okay with slash (of course, this seems like a transparent lie, but i'll just humor them). i mean, if it's hermione and draco, and they're 13 or 14 or 15, they can make out and he can feel up her breasts, and it'd be kind of expected, `the wonder years' material, wouldn't it? does `the wonder years' offend someone? no? what about 95% of all family sitcoms on tv, which feature underage dating?
anyway. whatever. i'm not really helping anything, since "they" won't read this. my obvious point was, that if it's okay for 5 year-old suzie and billy to kiss and hold hands, it should be okay for 15 year-old harry & draco to do the same. unless you're homophobic. sigh. and unless you think all slash equals hot wild sex, which sadly it doesn't ^^;;
honestly. 95% of all h/d fics are pg13.
anyway, in summation, grrr, grr, grrrrrrrr.
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on a happier note, the artist of that pic, mel miller, has a comic art section of her website, with some really adorable images. this cartoon from Mad Magazine being the cutest thing :D plus, i can't hold it against -her-, since her draco is just delicious ~:) *pervs all over picture, so nyah!*
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and, eep, am horribly back-logged in reading/responding (as well as most other things in life, truth be told). am bad, bad, bad reader/student/writer/person. no cookie.
~~
EDIT - this is a brilliant example of why writing h/d s&m shouldn't be attempted by "viewers at home" so to speak. my -gahd-. my eyes hurt.
in the immortal (well, now that -i- repeat them, anyway) words of
geekerypokery: But, porn, I /love/ you. Why do you want to hurt me?. AMEN, sistah!!!
and wah, this is PRICELESS. ahahahahahaha. and just how disturbing is -that-?! [...as in, eeeeee, magical dildos! what's next?? ...and just how wrong is it that i think characters from a fandom i don't even -know- having FOREHEAD DILDO sex is sexier than h&d alone in a room together??]
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Date: 2003-03-02 11:53 am (UTC)...! ahahahahah. me, of all people, eh :D ahahahah
*basks in glow of implied notoriety* ahahaha
oh, that made me laugh ;p
hee
that must be why i got offended at that outercircle thread, because i'm so "innercircle" ahahahah
ahem~:)