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reenkanow, i know people are insensitive morons, in general. but it still hurts, in particular.
in the very particular, i always hope that something deeper, more meaningful, more transcendent could possibly be received on the level it's intended, without being made fun of and mocked and ridiculed. why can't groups of people in the 18-24 year-old age group act -possibly- around a semi-mature 16, maybe, at least? sometimes? maybe?
so many times i'm in a group of my supposed peers, people who are supposedly "fans" (in this case, of anime), and they -cannot-, cannot. shut. up.
i don't know how many of you have watched any X (the anime series). suffice it to say, it's not a funny-haha kind of show. it's a meditation on destiny, choice, free-will, good, evil, love, and so on. it's gorgeously animated (there -is- no actually better drawn anime that i've ever seen), the dialogue is wonderful, the voice actors are very well-cast, and the storyline is intense and gripping.
and like, a quarter of the 30-or-so people in the room just could not seem to stop making lewd comments and stupid dorky jokes and basically mst3k-ing the whole time i was there. i mean, giggling and laughing softly is one thing. making loud, obnoxious "funny" homophobic comments is another.
there was a loud groan and/or laughter at every possible & impossible semi-subtexty moment. i mean, i love subtext, and there is a lot of it in X. but, this is just making it into a huge big joke. and if there is one series that is not intented to be taken lightly, it's X. it's intense, and heavy on the melodrama and symbolism and angst. there is no. fucking. point. in watching it if you're just going to use it for cheap laughs.
it's just....
ok, so i'm taking it a bit too personally, i'm sure. a part of me feels that if people laugh at something that speaks so deeply to me, that makes my heart ache, that captures my attention and is emotionally heavy to me, that they're laughing at -me-, and at my feelings. and i know they're not. but is it really impossible, or at least so very hard for people to have shared emotional intensity inspired by a piece of art, in public? or are they all just so numb and shallow? or is it both?
i've seen this phenomenon more than once. this is just the most extreme case. when we were watching the escaflowne movie, people were laughing and joking around too, and let me tell you, that is -not- a funny-haha movie either. it's intensely emotional, for me anyway. and it's -meant- to be. there is -some- comic relief, but really not a lot. and, leaving aside the anime club in my own university, i've been to movies at the theatre and had the same thing happen.
maybe it's just an equivalent of fandom-- where most of the comments to the most heart-felt, intense story (that i -know- i at least meant seriously, since i wrote it) are things like, "that wuz kewl, right more plz, haha *weep*". or, "wow, draco wuz a ghost??! haha, that's a suprise, wow."
so is it just an "everyone is a lame plebe" sort of thing? because, obviously, "plebe" isn't just an online phenomenon, and thus 90% of the usual run of anime fans in real life are plebes too?
but this is just a matter of politeness isn't it? can't these supposed college students tell that some people wouldn't want to have something like this mocked, especially if they haven't watched it before? i mean, online you can be a plebe all you want and it only annoys those people who choose to pay attention, but in real life, there's no closing the goddamn window, is there. sigh.
it just saddens me. to me, if one paid attention, the series (or work of art in question, in general), is so powerful, i can't -help- but be mesmerized and lost in the story. is it really inimical to groups larger than what, 5, to be not be rowdy and lame if they're not being totally quiet and zombie-like, as they are in class? maybe i don't even -want- to know the answer. grr.
let me just say that i -cannot- see myself ever being "social" with such people, and it automatically makes me think friendship between me and all of them is impossible. if you are the sort of person who "laughs and points" at intense emotional dramas, stay away and good riddance and grow up for gahd's sake.
and yes, some people i'm close to have mocked things i found intensely emotional, but then, they usually did it later, and not LOUDLY as i WATCHED.
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ravenchel wrote h/d. why did no one tell me?? gah. love this. love. `your body' made me grin like a loony... grinning... thing. rawr. ahahaha i recced a songfic! will the wonders never cease -.-
&
mmmmm, yummy fanart. i could've -sworn- i've reccedfoxfur's fanart before, but i'm not sure. hmmm. but, this is seriously the yummiest tom i've seen in awhile. not to mention snape & harry 1 + harry 2 & oooooh, harry/draco. *purrrrrrs* ok, happy now ^-^
in the very particular, i always hope that something deeper, more meaningful, more transcendent could possibly be received on the level it's intended, without being made fun of and mocked and ridiculed. why can't groups of people in the 18-24 year-old age group act -possibly- around a semi-mature 16, maybe, at least? sometimes? maybe?
so many times i'm in a group of my supposed peers, people who are supposedly "fans" (in this case, of anime), and they -cannot-, cannot. shut. up.
i don't know how many of you have watched any X (the anime series). suffice it to say, it's not a funny-haha kind of show. it's a meditation on destiny, choice, free-will, good, evil, love, and so on. it's gorgeously animated (there -is- no actually better drawn anime that i've ever seen), the dialogue is wonderful, the voice actors are very well-cast, and the storyline is intense and gripping.
and like, a quarter of the 30-or-so people in the room just could not seem to stop making lewd comments and stupid dorky jokes and basically mst3k-ing the whole time i was there. i mean, giggling and laughing softly is one thing. making loud, obnoxious "funny" homophobic comments is another.
there was a loud groan and/or laughter at every possible & impossible semi-subtexty moment. i mean, i love subtext, and there is a lot of it in X. but, this is just making it into a huge big joke. and if there is one series that is not intented to be taken lightly, it's X. it's intense, and heavy on the melodrama and symbolism and angst. there is no. fucking. point. in watching it if you're just going to use it for cheap laughs.
it's just....
ok, so i'm taking it a bit too personally, i'm sure. a part of me feels that if people laugh at something that speaks so deeply to me, that makes my heart ache, that captures my attention and is emotionally heavy to me, that they're laughing at -me-, and at my feelings. and i know they're not. but is it really impossible, or at least so very hard for people to have shared emotional intensity inspired by a piece of art, in public? or are they all just so numb and shallow? or is it both?
i've seen this phenomenon more than once. this is just the most extreme case. when we were watching the escaflowne movie, people were laughing and joking around too, and let me tell you, that is -not- a funny-haha movie either. it's intensely emotional, for me anyway. and it's -meant- to be. there is -some- comic relief, but really not a lot. and, leaving aside the anime club in my own university, i've been to movies at the theatre and had the same thing happen.
maybe it's just an equivalent of fandom-- where most of the comments to the most heart-felt, intense story (that i -know- i at least meant seriously, since i wrote it) are things like, "that wuz kewl, right more plz, haha *weep*". or, "wow, draco wuz a ghost??! haha, that's a suprise, wow."
so is it just an "everyone is a lame plebe" sort of thing? because, obviously, "plebe" isn't just an online phenomenon, and thus 90% of the usual run of anime fans in real life are plebes too?
but this is just a matter of politeness isn't it? can't these supposed college students tell that some people wouldn't want to have something like this mocked, especially if they haven't watched it before? i mean, online you can be a plebe all you want and it only annoys those people who choose to pay attention, but in real life, there's no closing the goddamn window, is there. sigh.
it just saddens me. to me, if one paid attention, the series (or work of art in question, in general), is so powerful, i can't -help- but be mesmerized and lost in the story. is it really inimical to groups larger than what, 5, to be not be rowdy and lame if they're not being totally quiet and zombie-like, as they are in class? maybe i don't even -want- to know the answer. grr.
let me just say that i -cannot- see myself ever being "social" with such people, and it automatically makes me think friendship between me and all of them is impossible. if you are the sort of person who "laughs and points" at intense emotional dramas, stay away and good riddance and grow up for gahd's sake.
and yes, some people i'm close to have mocked things i found intensely emotional, but then, they usually did it later, and not LOUDLY as i WATCHED.
~~
EDIT - damn, i didn't know
ravenchel wrote h/d. why did no one tell me?? gah. love this. love. `your body' made me grin like a loony... grinning... thing. rawr. ahahaha i recced a songfic! will the wonders never cease -.- &
mmmmm, yummy fanart. i could've -sworn- i've recced
foxfur's fanart before, but i'm not sure. hmmm. but, this is seriously the yummiest tom i've seen in awhile. not to mention snape & harry 1 + harry 2 & oooooh, harry/draco. *purrrrrrs* ok, happy now ^-^
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Date: 2003-01-28 06:33 pm (UTC)*g* Well, in the movie, only Kamui lives. In the anime, a few more people live, and the manga isn't finished yet, so...
and i don't think it's utterly and completely unfunny
Well, yeah, that's true. :) The two characters, by the way, I think are Sorata and Yuzuriha. And yes, X has lighthearted moments (thank God). It's just when people try to make a very unfunny scene funny, it really irks me. I remember one time, I was watching it with a group of people, and during the scene in which Kamui's basically riddled with shards of glass and Fuuma licks his neck, someone piped up with, "Do I make you horny, baby, do I?" *sighs*
As for the manga vrs anime thing, I've found that X is one of the few anime that are truly very faithful to the manga, and I'm very happy about that. And I do like the anime better than the manga for the most part, simply for the art and the *colours* (*takes moment to drool*), though I still think that the Rainbow Bridge scene was done better in the manga than the anime.