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reenkaas far as everybody (it seems) getting bored with hp, the "little boys" fandom, and going for smallville and highlander and so on.... because they have "real men". with depth and character and muscles....
i wonder how many in the hp fandom are in it because they -want- the characters to be boys, to be inexperienced dorks, ciphers to make into what you wish, not so much people as ideas. i mean, i know -i- want that. i know -i- enjoy reading young adult fantasy more than serious adult drama, most of the time. something about that whole "real men" and "serious adult [sexual] drama" makes me think of actual -fiction-, actual stuff you're supposed to find in published books, when you expect quality and maturity and meditation on existence or something.
this is the weird thing with harry potter books, because -everyone- read them (well, except me, at the time anyway). people who don't read fantasy, people who don't read YA fantasy, people who actively -dislike- fics about wizards, people who dislike harry, whether in practice or archetype, etc etc. and then there's this question of why do people write fanfic at all. i think a large enough percentage of writers in any fandom find it easier to write fanfic than original fic. and i can see where they're coming from, though i never found that to be true for myself, because i rarely understand anyone's world as well as i do my own. of course, this is actually a good thing in a way, because i tend to make more effort to figure out the characters i'm writing about, and thus end up with more fleshed out characters. but i always go for the easy thing, usually, and fanfic ain't easy.
anyway, i imagine that the people for whom fanfic is a natural writerly response to a book/show/world they like would get bored with the potterverse soon enough. it does have its limitations, and the characters are only as fascinating as you make them with your blood and sweat, so to speak. personally, i -like- the limitations, the archetypal nature of the characters, because it makes it easier for me to write. i can't seem to write about deep, complex characters-- i can barely keep these ciphers in-character, forget characters with extensive histories and quirks and the body-language of the actors playing them, and the general feel of the series, their voices, their chemistry, everything. the challenge involved would be overwhelming, and i've never loved -any- show enough to bother trying. after all, the show is already -there-, why do -i- need to add to it?
while, since jkr's writing is so spare (not to say bad), there's an obvious need to add to it. since her characters are children, and strongly archetypal to boot, it's fun to mold them, have them grow up in ways you want them to. i find i can't really get excited over exploring a mature character that's already coming pre-made with a history, a long series of relationships, set habits and so on.
so basically, the truth is, if i'm not writing hp, i'm out. i'm out of all fandom. which might be a good thing, of course. but i can't see myself finding anything else after this, though i constantly get enamoured with new books and series and such. i just feel-- different. like, a different sort of fan, a different sort of fanfic writer. i've -tried- writing for other fandoms, a little. i suck really, really, really bad. so maybe there are different sort of fanfic writers. maybe there are some who find this one fandom that inspires them, and they've never written it before but they -have- to now. and then there are the majority, who seem to just get inspired by things, and find it easy and natural to play with other people's concepts until the inspiration runs dry and they turn to the next thing that drives them to create.
funny thing is, hp canon itself doesn't drive me to create at all. i'm basically writing fanfic because of other fanfic. somehow, i saw a thread binding all of them, and i fell in love with the fanon versions of the characters, and they began to live in my head. but it's not because they're -mature- or -male- or -hot-. it's just because they're like, a part of me, i can see myself in harry & draco & hermione, and that's basically why i can write them. i'm the furthest thing from a grown man. in fact, i'm not that much of a grown -woman-. i can't do realism all that well, so hogwarts suits me very well. i have no clue about how to write for action-based shows, or how to write about weathered warriors and lost chances and regret and harshness. i can write clueless!harry and angsty!draco and first love and dorky lust and boys being silly, because i can totally understand that.
i mean, i dunno, there must be different modes of writing. either that, or lots of people actually do understand methos and snape and lionel luthor and picard and spock for that matter. i know myself well enough to know that i don't. i may think they're -hot-, but they're mysteries to me. i can't just write them because they're hot and manly. i mean, it would just be horrid, horrid fiction. i can't even really understand -clark kent-, or maybe i don't want to. harry is squeaky-clean enough for me, thankyouverymuch. i'm nothing like clark kent. nothing. how can i write him?? and who the fuck CARES if he's hot? what kind of criteria is that for writing about characters??! ok, smut, maybe. but that's ridiculous, why call him clark kent, then?
i don't write about draco malfoy because he's a gorgeous stud-- in fact, i don't like blonds. and no, i don't even like his personality all that much, even though he's kinda cute and dorky and stupid and mean and that's sort of adorable. if silvia does it, anyway. and harry. i mean, he's got nothing on tim hunter, and he's not all -that- interesting, and even though dan radcliffe is hot (ahem), it doesn't really enter into why i want to write about him. they are archetypes, and i've always written about archetypes, always used fairy-tales and symbols and the Prince and the Anti-hero, in my head anyway. hot or not, it matters little. i mean, if i created character X, would i care if she/he was hot? no. why does it matter that the characters we write about are hot? i mean, i do have the draco luurve, but.... it's weird anyway. sigh.
maybe there's a difference here between what one wants to read and what one wants to -write-. naturally, it's more pleasant (in theory) to read about hot guys getting it on without all that stupid stubborn immaturity getting in the way. well... i -did- used to read obi-wan/qui-gon and kim/paris and almost anything that wasn't rps or cop-show drama or buffy (don't tread on my otp, heh) that seemed fun. personally, like i said, i read YA fantasy a lot, so that's what gives me the biggest happy. highlander is a show i enjoy, but i don't adore it, because it's mostly an action/adventure show without any particular character i either identify with or find impossibly fascinating. i love buffy, but i can't write spuffy, really, without watching a lot more of the old episodes, and i don't need to, because a) there's a lot of good fic out there if i went het; b) the show is good enough. plus the world (sunnydale) isn't really my oeuvre. i mean, suburban california? vampires? argh.
smallville... wah. i can't write in a world made of americana -and- melodrama -and- scifi -and- have the "normal" boy!alien doing it with a mostly-mature guy with all sorts of father issues. wah. a whole big foreign kettle of fish. and i don't deny it-- lex is hot. but i'd have to have something to -say-, something about smallville and clark that was a part of me, that spoke deeply to me, because that's where my fiction comes from, from my subconscious, most of the time. i can just craft a story, force it and do it because i -can-, but what's the point?
that's my thing with say, lotr rps, too. do i know these people? no. do i want to know these people? no. do they seem cute and slashy? yes. but so what? am i so bored i want to use any example of slashy guys cuddling to jump-start me on smut? i can do smut with my own characters, then. character A would have blondish hair and greenish eyes and character B would have soft brown hair and dimples. presto! instant boylove.
but that's not the point. it's easier to just read smut than write it anyway. it's easier to just not bother. something has to make me bother, in terms of writing. and it's great that for some people, the hotness and slashiness of some actor is reason enough to write-- i mean, any reason is a good reason. it's just not my reason, that's all.
EDIT - i have this sinking feeling that i just managed to sound even more incoherent and silly than usual. ah well. reena's brain is having a fizzy day today, methinks.
i wonder how many in the hp fandom are in it because they -want- the characters to be boys, to be inexperienced dorks, ciphers to make into what you wish, not so much people as ideas. i mean, i know -i- want that. i know -i- enjoy reading young adult fantasy more than serious adult drama, most of the time. something about that whole "real men" and "serious adult [sexual] drama" makes me think of actual -fiction-, actual stuff you're supposed to find in published books, when you expect quality and maturity and meditation on existence or something.
this is the weird thing with harry potter books, because -everyone- read them (well, except me, at the time anyway). people who don't read fantasy, people who don't read YA fantasy, people who actively -dislike- fics about wizards, people who dislike harry, whether in practice or archetype, etc etc. and then there's this question of why do people write fanfic at all. i think a large enough percentage of writers in any fandom find it easier to write fanfic than original fic. and i can see where they're coming from, though i never found that to be true for myself, because i rarely understand anyone's world as well as i do my own. of course, this is actually a good thing in a way, because i tend to make more effort to figure out the characters i'm writing about, and thus end up with more fleshed out characters. but i always go for the easy thing, usually, and fanfic ain't easy.
anyway, i imagine that the people for whom fanfic is a natural writerly response to a book/show/world they like would get bored with the potterverse soon enough. it does have its limitations, and the characters are only as fascinating as you make them with your blood and sweat, so to speak. personally, i -like- the limitations, the archetypal nature of the characters, because it makes it easier for me to write. i can't seem to write about deep, complex characters-- i can barely keep these ciphers in-character, forget characters with extensive histories and quirks and the body-language of the actors playing them, and the general feel of the series, their voices, their chemistry, everything. the challenge involved would be overwhelming, and i've never loved -any- show enough to bother trying. after all, the show is already -there-, why do -i- need to add to it?
while, since jkr's writing is so spare (not to say bad), there's an obvious need to add to it. since her characters are children, and strongly archetypal to boot, it's fun to mold them, have them grow up in ways you want them to. i find i can't really get excited over exploring a mature character that's already coming pre-made with a history, a long series of relationships, set habits and so on.
so basically, the truth is, if i'm not writing hp, i'm out. i'm out of all fandom. which might be a good thing, of course. but i can't see myself finding anything else after this, though i constantly get enamoured with new books and series and such. i just feel-- different. like, a different sort of fan, a different sort of fanfic writer. i've -tried- writing for other fandoms, a little. i suck really, really, really bad. so maybe there are different sort of fanfic writers. maybe there are some who find this one fandom that inspires them, and they've never written it before but they -have- to now. and then there are the majority, who seem to just get inspired by things, and find it easy and natural to play with other people's concepts until the inspiration runs dry and they turn to the next thing that drives them to create.
funny thing is, hp canon itself doesn't drive me to create at all. i'm basically writing fanfic because of other fanfic. somehow, i saw a thread binding all of them, and i fell in love with the fanon versions of the characters, and they began to live in my head. but it's not because they're -mature- or -male- or -hot-. it's just because they're like, a part of me, i can see myself in harry & draco & hermione, and that's basically why i can write them. i'm the furthest thing from a grown man. in fact, i'm not that much of a grown -woman-. i can't do realism all that well, so hogwarts suits me very well. i have no clue about how to write for action-based shows, or how to write about weathered warriors and lost chances and regret and harshness. i can write clueless!harry and angsty!draco and first love and dorky lust and boys being silly, because i can totally understand that.
i mean, i dunno, there must be different modes of writing. either that, or lots of people actually do understand methos and snape and lionel luthor and picard and spock for that matter. i know myself well enough to know that i don't. i may think they're -hot-, but they're mysteries to me. i can't just write them because they're hot and manly. i mean, it would just be horrid, horrid fiction. i can't even really understand -clark kent-, or maybe i don't want to. harry is squeaky-clean enough for me, thankyouverymuch. i'm nothing like clark kent. nothing. how can i write him?? and who the fuck CARES if he's hot? what kind of criteria is that for writing about characters??! ok, smut, maybe. but that's ridiculous, why call him clark kent, then?
i don't write about draco malfoy because he's a gorgeous stud-- in fact, i don't like blonds. and no, i don't even like his personality all that much, even though he's kinda cute and dorky and stupid and mean and that's sort of adorable. if silvia does it, anyway. and harry. i mean, he's got nothing on tim hunter, and he's not all -that- interesting, and even though dan radcliffe is hot (ahem), it doesn't really enter into why i want to write about him. they are archetypes, and i've always written about archetypes, always used fairy-tales and symbols and the Prince and the Anti-hero, in my head anyway. hot or not, it matters little. i mean, if i created character X, would i care if she/he was hot? no. why does it matter that the characters we write about are hot? i mean, i do have the draco luurve, but.... it's weird anyway. sigh.
maybe there's a difference here between what one wants to read and what one wants to -write-. naturally, it's more pleasant (in theory) to read about hot guys getting it on without all that stupid stubborn immaturity getting in the way. well... i -did- used to read obi-wan/qui-gon and kim/paris and almost anything that wasn't rps or cop-show drama or buffy (don't tread on my otp, heh) that seemed fun. personally, like i said, i read YA fantasy a lot, so that's what gives me the biggest happy. highlander is a show i enjoy, but i don't adore it, because it's mostly an action/adventure show without any particular character i either identify with or find impossibly fascinating. i love buffy, but i can't write spuffy, really, without watching a lot more of the old episodes, and i don't need to, because a) there's a lot of good fic out there if i went het; b) the show is good enough. plus the world (sunnydale) isn't really my oeuvre. i mean, suburban california? vampires? argh.
smallville... wah. i can't write in a world made of americana -and- melodrama -and- scifi -and- have the "normal" boy!alien doing it with a mostly-mature guy with all sorts of father issues. wah. a whole big foreign kettle of fish. and i don't deny it-- lex is hot. but i'd have to have something to -say-, something about smallville and clark that was a part of me, that spoke deeply to me, because that's where my fiction comes from, from my subconscious, most of the time. i can just craft a story, force it and do it because i -can-, but what's the point?
that's my thing with say, lotr rps, too. do i know these people? no. do i want to know these people? no. do they seem cute and slashy? yes. but so what? am i so bored i want to use any example of slashy guys cuddling to jump-start me on smut? i can do smut with my own characters, then. character A would have blondish hair and greenish eyes and character B would have soft brown hair and dimples. presto! instant boylove.
but that's not the point. it's easier to just read smut than write it anyway. it's easier to just not bother. something has to make me bother, in terms of writing. and it's great that for some people, the hotness and slashiness of some actor is reason enough to write-- i mean, any reason is a good reason. it's just not my reason, that's all.
EDIT - i have this sinking feeling that i just managed to sound even more incoherent and silly than usual. ah well. reena's brain is having a fizzy day today, methinks.
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Date: 2003-01-23 01:02 pm (UTC)so yeah, of course.
but even if i'm attracted to a particular personality, even if i dig it and enjoy seeing it in action, so to speak, that doesn't mean i understand it on a gut level, you know?
there's a passive watching thing going on, usually. i'm an observer, but i'm not in their head, and stuff.
i used to read loads and loads of spock & kirk commercial genfic. and i did find spock hot, and attractive, and so on. and even though i read so much about him, dozens of full-length novels, and felt i understood what there was to understand, i couldn't write him.
there's just a -distance- between watching/reading and writing.
i dunno. does that make sense?
the first time i breached that distance was with harry potter, unless you count all the fairy-tale retellings i do, and i don't see it happening again, that's all.
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Date: 2003-01-23 01:22 pm (UTC)I was watching the songvids the other day with Maya (who's seen a lot of the show; I haven't seen a single snippet of a single episode) and I made a comment about Methos' character. She said "Yes, I completely agree" and then "Hang on, how the hell do you know that?" I said "I don't know - I suppose you learn a lot from expressions". I think that's fairly impressive, if I do say so myself.
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Date: 2003-01-23 01:42 pm (UTC)also my bewilderment at how much "hotness" seems to figure into people's attraction to writing for a certain fandom, whatever it is-- in general, not directed towards you ^^;
it's just -i- don't tend to be able to write about other people's worlds because it's very rare that i'm that connected with the characters. that's why my sudden "thing" with harry & draco surprised me so much.
and you know, people say, wow, you have all this to say about hp stuff and you haven't even READ all the books? because i haven't. i just have little bits and pieces.
but like you said, when the magic is there, it's just there. i just -know- ~:)
though this only happened with h/d in hp, i do know what you mean, and it's possible and i wasn't judging you but rather just ranting pointlessly as usual ><;;