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reenkaSkimming a reasonable enough post on the defense of Ginny, for the first time since I read HBP I was uncomfortable. Mostly... mostly because I was just writing about Zacharias & Ginny hexed Zacharias for asking too many questions and making her annoyed :/ :/ Well, acting like that, I don't think she's any kind of slut/Queen Bee/whatever-people-accuse-her-of, but she does remind me of a more immature version of Ron what with the hair-trigger temper and... all the hexing, honestly :/
Of course I'm not one of the 'Ginny haters' 'cause I don't hate on any character, just not my gig anymore (used to seriously dislike Lucius, but eh, water under the bridge + mostly fanon). But the whole thing where she's like a trigger-happy Gryff recruit or something (for Harry's army?)-- that's annoying, in retrospect, but fact is she was always a Harry fangirl, it's just she was a supposedly passive Harry fangirl. *sigh* She gets carried away with petty emotions & translates it into violence and/or mean-spirited remarks, but then so does Harry and Lily and James and every teenage Gryff or Slyth character except Neville and Luna (even Hermione! jeez, and people say she should've been in Ravenclaw), so. :/
There's only so much effort you can put into defending any of them, is my point. Like, I was reading bits of Mike Smith's hilarious HBP commentary, and well-- he hates Harry, and says he's useless and a ridiculous hero-figure who doesn't deserve any credit, etcetc, and you know what? That's all true.
You can always learn from any (remotely intelligent) criticism.
I mean, just 'cause I love Harry doesn't mean I have to disagree with his critics-- it's true, Harry's won by luck & help from his friends & sheer blind nerve and/or stupidity. Yep. Well, it was never really the point that he's so competent, anyway. The point is that he's Harry, and lovable to me.
On that note, it really annoys me to read a fic where My Harry is made into an 'angel' who realizes the Obvious Truth About Draco or Life, The Universe & Everything, whatever. He's a dense, prejudiced, stubborn little devil, okay? He's also brave and kind to others in his own way, but whatever. Doesn't make him nice or wise or even competent, though he's pretty good at Quidditch and Defense (Patronus, man!), you haveta give him that. I mean, he's a bit precocious, which may be 'cause Voldy gave him his power and his mum gave him magical defenses, but point is that he's a focus for others' powers/issues in many ways-- that's just what he is. He -is- really good at Quidditch, though, but I think he's good 'cause he loves it so much-- the freedom of it. He really -wants- to succeed, and that drive is one of the things he and Draco share, which is neither here nor there, but anyway.
This isn't about Harry. I just wanted to say that... well, I think I'm usually easy on HP characters when I've written them, even if I started out writing them to torture them or whatever. It's hard not to be like 'My Ginny' & 'My Luna' & 'My Harry' & 'My Draco' and so on. I always try to figure out why they'd act a certain way and accept it 'cause everyone's kind of... on the level, I guess? In my experience of people in general, when they're kids & teenagers, they kind of suck too :/ Not like 'oh, these people teased me in school'-- no, I'm saying EVERYONE SUCKED in school, so. Yeah, I sucked pretty bad, I was just The Quiet One who seethed in silence and wanted to have herself be cryogenically frozen just to escape the hell that was other people. ^^;;;
Just to stay sane & adjust, I accepted it's a phase and then some people grow up & others become mass murdering lunatics, what can I tell you :P
Actually, this issue of reader-projection is a huge hot-button of mine, but I dunno if I can even take it seriously anymore. *sigh* I can't take it seriously when people OMG H8 GINNY/RON/DRACO XXXX!!1!!11eleven or whatever, or whatever way they express it. Hate in any form is just... okay, I hate child molestors, but I realize that's unreasonable because it stops me thinking reasonably. I don't even care if I'm ethically right, I try not to give in to it because I can always -become- like those people who hex whoever annoys them. And you may think I'm nothing like Ginny, but I'm a hair-trigger-temper & a wand away from hexing like, 45% of mankind 'cause they smell wrong, trust me ><;; And you know, I think I'm mostly a nice person. A nicer person than usual, even (even though I hate the word & -idea- of 'nice' and am actually not 'nice' but I do act nice most of the time). So.
I just have no patience for people who condemn other people, honestly. Using any form of self-righteousness to combat self-righteousness... not on. But of course, if we just say 'everyone sucks, and I realize I do too', most people get depressed, not loving/understanding of humanity in general, so... whatever works, I guess. I'm not going to stay up late waiting for anyone to be like 'yeahhh... this character/person/group has issues, but then that's human' or whatever. It's okay to be annoyed. Hell, I'm often annoyed, which is why I should stop reading fluffy H/D with smooth!Draco, right? RIGHT.
And let me add this before someone brings it up: many (most?) people say it's not that they care that 'people suck' or Ginny sucks or whatever, it's that JKR ('the Author') is telling them they don't suck when they do, so. It's all a meta-argument & they're not dissing Ginny but rather JKR through Ginny, so posts like![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
theregoesyamum's or whatever miss the point. And.
Um. I don't care. I mean, if I can ignore authorial voice while reading with some effort (and it does take some!), then I feel I don't have to discuss it every time I discuss the characters. That just ruins the books for me, and that? Isn't worth it for meta's sake. Okay, that's all, basically.
PS: *sigh* Yeah. The day has come for me to lock meta if I don't want it to be on comms :/
Of course I'm not one of the 'Ginny haters' 'cause I don't hate on any character, just not my gig anymore (used to seriously dislike Lucius, but eh, water under the bridge + mostly fanon). But the whole thing where she's like a trigger-happy Gryff recruit or something (for Harry's army?)-- that's annoying, in retrospect, but fact is she was always a Harry fangirl, it's just she was a supposedly passive Harry fangirl. *sigh* She gets carried away with petty emotions & translates it into violence and/or mean-spirited remarks, but then so does Harry and Lily and James and every teenage Gryff or Slyth character except Neville and Luna (even Hermione! jeez, and people say she should've been in Ravenclaw), so. :/
There's only so much effort you can put into defending any of them, is my point. Like, I was reading bits of Mike Smith's hilarious HBP commentary, and well-- he hates Harry, and says he's useless and a ridiculous hero-figure who doesn't deserve any credit, etcetc, and you know what? That's all true.
You can always learn from any (remotely intelligent) criticism.
I mean, just 'cause I love Harry doesn't mean I have to disagree with his critics-- it's true, Harry's won by luck & help from his friends & sheer blind nerve and/or stupidity. Yep. Well, it was never really the point that he's so competent, anyway. The point is that he's Harry, and lovable to me.
On that note, it really annoys me to read a fic where My Harry is made into an 'angel' who realizes the Obvious Truth About Draco or Life, The Universe & Everything, whatever. He's a dense, prejudiced, stubborn little devil, okay? He's also brave and kind to others in his own way, but whatever. Doesn't make him nice or wise or even competent, though he's pretty good at Quidditch and Defense (Patronus, man!), you haveta give him that. I mean, he's a bit precocious, which may be 'cause Voldy gave him his power and his mum gave him magical defenses, but point is that he's a focus for others' powers/issues in many ways-- that's just what he is. He -is- really good at Quidditch, though, but I think he's good 'cause he loves it so much-- the freedom of it. He really -wants- to succeed, and that drive is one of the things he and Draco share, which is neither here nor there, but anyway.
This isn't about Harry. I just wanted to say that... well, I think I'm usually easy on HP characters when I've written them, even if I started out writing them to torture them or whatever. It's hard not to be like 'My Ginny' & 'My Luna' & 'My Harry' & 'My Draco' and so on. I always try to figure out why they'd act a certain way and accept it 'cause everyone's kind of... on the level, I guess? In my experience of people in general, when they're kids & teenagers, they kind of suck too :/ Not like 'oh, these people teased me in school'-- no, I'm saying EVERYONE SUCKED in school, so. Yeah, I sucked pretty bad, I was just The Quiet One who seethed in silence and wanted to have herself be cryogenically frozen just to escape the hell that was other people. ^^;;;
Just to stay sane & adjust, I accepted it's a phase and then some people grow up & others become mass murdering lunatics, what can I tell you :P
Actually, this issue of reader-projection is a huge hot-button of mine, but I dunno if I can even take it seriously anymore. *sigh* I can't take it seriously when people OMG H8 GINNY/RON/DRACO XXXX!!1!!11eleven or whatever, or whatever way they express it. Hate in any form is just... okay, I hate child molestors, but I realize that's unreasonable because it stops me thinking reasonably. I don't even care if I'm ethically right, I try not to give in to it because I can always -become- like those people who hex whoever annoys them. And you may think I'm nothing like Ginny, but I'm a hair-trigger-temper & a wand away from hexing like, 45% of mankind 'cause they smell wrong, trust me ><;; And you know, I think I'm mostly a nice person. A nicer person than usual, even (even though I hate the word & -idea- of 'nice' and am actually not 'nice' but I do act nice most of the time). So.
I just have no patience for people who condemn other people, honestly. Using any form of self-righteousness to combat self-righteousness... not on. But of course, if we just say 'everyone sucks, and I realize I do too', most people get depressed, not loving/understanding of humanity in general, so... whatever works, I guess. I'm not going to stay up late waiting for anyone to be like 'yeahhh... this character/person/group has issues, but then that's human' or whatever. It's okay to be annoyed. Hell, I'm often annoyed, which is why I should stop reading fluffy H/D with smooth!Draco, right? RIGHT.
And let me add this before someone brings it up: many (most?) people say it's not that they care that 'people suck' or Ginny sucks or whatever, it's that JKR ('the Author') is telling them they don't suck when they do, so. It's all a meta-argument & they're not dissing Ginny but rather JKR through Ginny, so posts like
theregoesyamum's or whatever miss the point. And.Um. I don't care. I mean, if I can ignore authorial voice while reading with some effort (and it does take some!), then I feel I don't have to discuss it every time I discuss the characters. That just ruins the books for me, and that? Isn't worth it for meta's sake. Okay, that's all, basically.
PS: *sigh* Yeah. The day has come for me to lock meta if I don't want it to be on comms :/
