excellent adventures in canon suburbia!
Aug. 9th, 2006 01:56 pmMan, posts like this & like this (and others) reeeeeally make me re-evaluate why I call myself 'a slasher' (when I bother to call myself anything; last time someone asked me to define myself, I said I'm a geek and I suppose that pretty much covers it). The whole idea that a) slashers don't care about the canon (or lack thereof) hehind their ship & b) they're in it for the specialized community-- ie, the slash itself-- rather than the fics (or the specific fandom)... man, that gets up my nose. However, I'm not sure if that just means I'm a slasher who doesn't get to call herself that 'cause she's not 'typical' or something :/
I don't think slash is inherently OOC, okay. When another slasher says so, I feel... I dunno, hurt a little, almost, but mostly frustrated. But then this gets into definitions of what 'OOC' is; I just don't think it's 'anything that's not explicitly stated in canon'. There's a range of plausibility-- a sort of canon suburbia (IC fanon) where you obviously know you're not in the City, but neither are you out in the Country. If you like the sort of funky, avant-garde area of suburbia where cock is GOOD and two cocks are better more than the parts where girls and boys snog behind tree-houses or make nest-eggs in the nice houses-- well, I figure you're a slasher. Though sometimes you take your cocks and you put them in a nice house too, but really (to me) that's not the point, it's just a possibility.
Really, what I'm trying to say is, these are extremes-- being 'just for the slash' and the whole 'to hell with canon plausibility' thing. Obviously, yeah, there are people like that, and yeah, they're loud, but there's no way I'd believe that's what slash is, 'cause then we're talking about definitions, not people themselves. People may not care about canon; slash itself is often a natural outgrowth. People may want to join a group; slashing itself is one fan's relationship to a source text multiplied across a group.
Those of you who think you're not slashers 'cause you like other things too, or 'cause for you slashing depends on the presence of canon chemistry or subtext you can actually see, or because you 'don't fit in' with the other slashers-- it's your prerogative how you self-identify, but fact is nothing's stopping you from being a slasher but you. At base, slash is that thing I do when I read snippets of say, the Draco Trilogy and it's clear there's wink-wink-nudge-nudge going on but they're not really supposed to be Gay And In Love, but I DON'T CARE because DV!HARRY/DRACO 4EVA, BITCHES! It's right there, the t00by love & everything!!1 :P Um, so yeah. If I wrote it (and I made an effort), it would SO be in fucking character. In fact, you go & try writing DV!H/D out of character (if you're a halfway decent writer). It would be bloody difficult, y'know? Even though it's clear the Author's Intent is to stop at subtext. BUT SO WHAT (unless...uh... you care about that sort of thing *hides from
blacksatinrose*). :P
( ...aaaand more with the Canon Slash Suburbian agogo :/ )
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So, um. In other news, I've been reading the 'Watching the English' book where Kate Fox explains the general cultural quirks of current English behavior in the anthropological sense, and it's really starting to mess with how I think of actual people & characters. I know that reticence in talking about feelings is both English and typically boyish, so I've always tried to do what I could with that, but man oh man. The anti-earnestness, the circumspectness about money, the whining/moaning about things but never really having big outbursts/revolutionary explosions much (you know, that explains how the Wizarding World tolerated all the Death Eaters), the etiquette with strangers and the way guys bond by drinking... ahh, my head spins.
Trying to see any group of individuals (isn't that an oxymoron to most people anyway?) as being 'similar' in a cultural/anthropological/social sort of way messes with my head. People are just so -different-, it's odd thinking that a whole country has similarities to their personality & emotional responses. Though I should think the Malfoys would have the upper-class/working-class divide with the Weasleys, and I guess that makes both Harry & Hermione middle-class... ummm... *___*
See, I don't think anyone within the US could get away with saying there's a single 'national character' for Americans, though foreigners obviously think there is. I mean, I'm familiar with the idea, obviously, and there has always been a Russian 'national character', but the ways in which it makes Russians similar is really subtle going by individual-- it's just hard to trace for an outsider by definition, even knowing all the 'rules', I think.
I don't think slash is inherently OOC, okay. When another slasher says so, I feel... I dunno, hurt a little, almost, but mostly frustrated. But then this gets into definitions of what 'OOC' is; I just don't think it's 'anything that's not explicitly stated in canon'. There's a range of plausibility-- a sort of canon suburbia (IC fanon) where you obviously know you're not in the City, but neither are you out in the Country. If you like the sort of funky, avant-garde area of suburbia where cock is GOOD and two cocks are better more than the parts where girls and boys snog behind tree-houses or make nest-eggs in the nice houses-- well, I figure you're a slasher. Though sometimes you take your cocks and you put them in a nice house too, but really (to me) that's not the point, it's just a possibility.
Really, what I'm trying to say is, these are extremes-- being 'just for the slash' and the whole 'to hell with canon plausibility' thing. Obviously, yeah, there are people like that, and yeah, they're loud, but there's no way I'd believe that's what slash is, 'cause then we're talking about definitions, not people themselves. People may not care about canon; slash itself is often a natural outgrowth. People may want to join a group; slashing itself is one fan's relationship to a source text multiplied across a group.
Those of you who think you're not slashers 'cause you like other things too, or 'cause for you slashing depends on the presence of canon chemistry or subtext you can actually see, or because you 'don't fit in' with the other slashers-- it's your prerogative how you self-identify, but fact is nothing's stopping you from being a slasher but you. At base, slash is that thing I do when I read snippets of say, the Draco Trilogy and it's clear there's wink-wink-nudge-nudge going on but they're not really supposed to be Gay And In Love, but I DON'T CARE because DV!HARRY/DRACO 4EVA, BITCHES! It's right there, the t00by love & everything!!1 :P Um, so yeah. If I wrote it (and I made an effort), it would SO be in fucking character. In fact, you go & try writing DV!H/D out of character (if you're a halfway decent writer). It would be bloody difficult, y'know? Even though it's clear the Author's Intent is to stop at subtext. BUT SO WHAT (unless...uh... you care about that sort of thing *hides from
( ...aaaand more with the Canon Slash Suburbian agogo :/ )
~~
So, um. In other news, I've been reading the 'Watching the English' book where Kate Fox explains the general cultural quirks of current English behavior in the anthropological sense, and it's really starting to mess with how I think of actual people & characters. I know that reticence in talking about feelings is both English and typically boyish, so I've always tried to do what I could with that, but man oh man. The anti-earnestness, the circumspectness about money, the whining/moaning about things but never really having big outbursts/revolutionary explosions much (you know, that explains how the Wizarding World tolerated all the Death Eaters), the etiquette with strangers and the way guys bond by drinking... ahh, my head spins.
Trying to see any group of individuals (isn't that an oxymoron to most people anyway?) as being 'similar' in a cultural/anthropological/social sort of way messes with my head. People are just so -different-, it's odd thinking that a whole country has similarities to their personality & emotional responses. Though I should think the Malfoys would have the upper-class/working-class divide with the Weasleys, and I guess that makes both Harry & Hermione middle-class... ummm... *___*
See, I don't think anyone within the US could get away with saying there's a single 'national character' for Americans, though foreigners obviously think there is. I mean, I'm familiar with the idea, obviously, and there has always been a Russian 'national character', but the ways in which it makes Russians similar is really subtle going by individual-- it's just hard to trace for an outsider by definition, even knowing all the 'rules', I think.