I don't think Harry goes through life righteously angry-- only when someone pushes him... People kept pushing Sirius.
You have a point. They do a certain amount of pushing themselves though, and both their fans and the characters (and by this, I don't mean anyone in specific, but more of a fandom trend) have a tendency to say 'What? I/He didn't do anything!' Like a kid poking at their sibling over and over again and then looking all shocked face and cherubic at Mom and saying 'What?'
(Just like we Slytherins defenders have a tendency to accept behaviour from Slytherins that we would deem 'bullying' or 'cruel' from Gryffindors, just because OMG Slytherin is so liek oppressed!!1 ;)
I don't like manipulative liars 'cause uh... insincerity offends me even though I grew up lying to all and sundry as a child. I was a fantasist liar, though. Lying for fun & lying to protect yourself is ok. I was always dislike lying to get ahead. I dislike people who want power for selfish reasons. Bleh. Personal preference :>
See, to me, lying is lying (and god knows, I lied enough as a child, and still do *blushes* - hopefully just in the interest of making life more interesting rather than for malicious reasons, but your own view of your own actions is always kinder than a strangers, isn't it?)
I think; and I'm just trying to flesh out an idea, here; but I think the argument we seem to be having is about 'the ends justifies the means'. I'm fairly black and white. I don't think that one can really justify certain actions by saying 'but my motivation was good!' A lot of people would say that that's naive, or too rigid, and that life is more about shades of gray; but it's just a personal opinion - I can't understand how someone can defend a negative action by saying 'But so and so did it for the greater good!' Big deal. Everybody thinks they're doing things for the greater good. Voldemort thinks he's saving the WW from the Mudbloods, presumably. Dumbledore thinks he's saving the WW from Voldemort. Both of them are commiting actions that are hypocritical, and then finger pointing at the other side and saying 'But it's not the same as when *he* does it!' And both of them are rearing generations of hypocrites who think that they can do whatever they want to people as long as they're on the 'right' side: James, Sirius, Remus, Peter, Snape, Harry, Draco.
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Date: 2004-07-15 02:58 pm (UTC)People kept pushing Sirius.
You have a point. They do a certain amount of pushing themselves though, and both their fans and the characters (and by this, I don't mean anyone in specific, but more of a fandom trend) have a tendency to say 'What? I/He didn't do anything!'
Like a kid poking at their sibling over and over again and then looking all shocked face and cherubic at Mom and saying 'What?'
(Just like we Slytherins defenders have a tendency to accept behaviour from Slytherins that we would deem 'bullying' or 'cruel' from Gryffindors, just because OMG Slytherin is so liek oppressed!!1 ;)
I don't like manipulative liars 'cause uh... insincerity offends me even though I grew up lying to all and sundry as a child. I was a fantasist liar, though. Lying for fun & lying to protect yourself is ok.
I was always dislike lying to get ahead. I dislike people who want power for selfish reasons. Bleh. Personal preference :>
See, to me, lying is lying (and god knows, I lied enough as a child, and still do *blushes* - hopefully just in the interest of making life more interesting rather than for malicious reasons, but your own view of your own actions is always kinder than a strangers, isn't it?)
I think; and I'm just trying to flesh out an idea, here; but I think the argument we seem to be having is about 'the ends justifies the means'.
I'm fairly black and white. I don't think that one can really justify certain actions by saying 'but my motivation was good!'
A lot of people would say that that's naive, or too rigid, and that life is more about shades of gray; but it's just a personal opinion - I can't understand how someone can defend a negative action by saying 'But so and so did it for the greater good!'
Big deal. Everybody thinks they're doing things for the greater good.
Voldemort thinks he's saving the WW from the Mudbloods, presumably.
Dumbledore thinks he's saving the WW from Voldemort.
Both of them are commiting actions that are hypocritical, and then finger pointing at the other side and saying 'But it's not the same as when *he* does it!'
And both of them are rearing generations of hypocrites who think that they can do whatever they want to people as long as they're on the 'right' side: James, Sirius, Remus, Peter, Snape, Harry, Draco.