Um..... I'm confused. I'm not sure if it's just the way you put it, or what, but. "A person of disguise"? Do you mean a person of disgust? And by that, do you mean "disgusting person"? If that is, in fact, what you mean, I'm still confused. Which ideal are you referring to? And what does holding an ideal have to do with being a certain kind of person....? Ideals are only disgusting if they make you do disgusting things, as far as I can tell. Me, I'm harmless. :>
How and why would someone find an ideal of personal growth such as I expressed disgusting? And why would I care if they did, especially this general "they" you're referring to? How in the -world- does wanting people to become better human beings make anyone a disgusting individual, by any stretch of the imagination? I just don't get it.
Who is this "they" you're referring to, anyway? Why should I care about this amorphous "they"? Lots of people think lots of things, a lot of which are wrong and stupid, and some of which aren't. Without specifying what you're talking about, I can't pick which, in this case. Your comment was very very general to the point of incoherence.
I wasn't really saying that I would -want- a character to be one-sided. In fact, I was saying that I wish there was more ambiguity in people's perceptions of right and wrong & a character's particular moral make-up.
I don't entirely see how this bit about perception really relates, because I wasn't arguing against it at all, so that seems to come out of the blue. Trying to guess at what you're saying ("in general"), you're talking about people who're narrow-minded and solipsistic being at risk of being seen as immature selfish brats. Or something. Either that, or you're telling me -I- am, but let's say you weren't because quite clearly you don't know me.
But anyway, okay. I'm still confused how that relates, though. Were you saying that my ideal is too one-sided? If not, then I don't see how this relates. If so, then I would argue that solipsism and passionate belief in some ideal one doesn't necessarily share with others doesn't automatically make anyone only capable of mental masturbation, etc. Solipsism often only means one is extremely introverted and withdrawn, has social phobias or issues. It doesn't make anyone into a selfish or basically ineffectual person. You're being very broadly judgemental here.
Your phrasing was a bit jumbled, so maybe I'm not getting something. Also, I'm thinking of disallowing anonymous comments, 'cause people who don't sign their anonymous messages freak me out a bit, and now that livejournals are free, there's no reason to comment anonymously.
So yeah. Hi, my name is reena. I hope I addressed your points sufficiently.
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timeasmymeasure
Re: Just a thought....
Date: 2004-01-16 11:09 pm (UTC)I'm confused. I'm not sure if it's just the way you put it, or what, but.
"A person of disguise"? Do you mean a person of disgust? And by that, do you mean "disgusting person"? If that is, in fact, what you mean, I'm still confused. Which ideal are you referring to? And what does holding an ideal have to do with being a certain kind of person....? Ideals are only disgusting if they make you do disgusting things, as far as I can tell. Me, I'm harmless. :>
How and why would someone find an ideal of personal growth such as I expressed disgusting? And why would I care if they did, especially this general "they" you're referring to? How in the -world- does wanting people to become better human beings make anyone a disgusting individual, by any stretch of the imagination? I just don't get it.
Who is this "they" you're referring to, anyway? Why should I care about this amorphous "they"? Lots of people think lots of things, a lot of which are wrong and stupid, and some of which aren't. Without specifying what you're talking about, I can't pick which, in this case. Your comment was very very general to the point of incoherence.
I wasn't really saying that I would -want- a character to be one-sided. In fact, I was saying that I wish there was more ambiguity in people's perceptions of right and wrong & a character's particular moral make-up.
I don't entirely see how this bit about perception really relates, because I wasn't arguing against it at all, so that seems to come out of the blue. Trying to guess at what you're saying ("in general"), you're talking about people who're narrow-minded and solipsistic being at risk of being seen as immature selfish brats. Or something. Either that, or you're telling me -I- am, but let's say you weren't because quite clearly you don't know me.
But anyway, okay. I'm still confused how that relates, though. Were you saying that my ideal is too one-sided? If not, then I don't see how this relates. If so, then I would argue that solipsism and passionate belief in some ideal one doesn't necessarily share with others doesn't automatically make anyone only capable of mental masturbation, etc. Solipsism often only means one is extremely introverted and withdrawn, has social phobias or issues. It doesn't make anyone into a selfish or basically ineffectual person. You're being very broadly judgemental here.
Your phrasing was a bit jumbled, so maybe I'm not getting something. Also, I'm thinking of disallowing anonymous comments, 'cause people who don't sign their anonymous messages freak me out a bit, and now that livejournals are free, there's no reason to comment anonymously.
So yeah. Hi, my name is reena. I hope I addressed your points sufficiently.